Micro 615: The Walking Dead: Episode 5 (GAME OVER)

[Javajoe24]

I don't like the idea of people being intentionally dishonest, and is a scum tell to me. So if a townie is pulling a gambit and intentionally lying then they will seem scummy to me and detracting from me seeing the actual scum. That's why I don't like gambits

[Something_Smart]

So you don't like gambits because they make townies seem scummy. Meanwhile you're scumreading me for doing a gambit...

[Javajoe24]

Did you not read my last post? How do I know your town pulling a gambit? I don't.

[Javajoe24]

Scum can pull gambits as well, and no matter who does it, they come across scummy

[Something_Smart]

It's an undeniable fact that townies execute gambits frequently (in my experience more frequently than scum). You can't just say it's a scumtell and *poof* it's a scumtell.
The fact that you're admitting that it

appears

scummy to you even though you know it's

not

scummy is tantamount to confessing you're faking your reads.

[Javajoe24]

When did I ever say I know that it is not scummy?

[Something_Smart]

So if a townie is pulling a gambit and intentionally lying then they will seem scummy to me and detracting from me seeing the actual scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't like the idea of people being intentionally dishonest, and is a scum tell to me. So if a townie is pulling a gambit and intentionally lying then they will seem scummy to me and detracting from me seeing the actual scum. That's why I don't like gambits

Something isn't scummy to you or anyone person. It is either scummy or it isn't. Gambits are not scum tells.

[GuiltyLion]

I think S_S is town
UNVOTE:

This is a complete misrep of what happened. It was a perfectly fine question. Why are you making a bid deal ou of someone making a not so big deal out of something?

Where am I making a big deal in my posts? If you show me where I "made a big deal", I'll answer this.

Ok I'll rephrase that then. @Guilty what do you think about BBT's and mollie's comments regarding each other?

Mollie's comments I thought were pretty NAI. I liked BBT's 39 so I wasn't a fan of mollie's 41, but town!mollie and I have disagreed on reads before so I didn't see much there yet.

some scumreads

:

WhiteLight feels over-explainy, especially 87. I also think they're making way too much out of shotty's "intent" to hammer, I didn't read it as a serious intent for a lynch.

but javajoe is worse

Post 85 is a total scum slip in my opinion.

And from my experience with suz she has been right every time!

So...

VOTE: shotty

Why would you intend to hammer someone that you are not confident is scum? Especially with so much time left in the day.

I do not like that gambit that SS pulled though, and he is definitely my second scum read

.

This is both deflecting blame for his shotty vote onto WhiteLight slot, and then also setting up for a SS lynch if a shotty lynch goes through on D1.
VOTE: javajoe

^

This is L-1

(current voters are shotty, mollie, WhiteLight, me)

finally,

His play here seems not as logical

[Javajoe24]

I beg to differ that something may seem scummy to me but not to you. Otherwise we would all have the same opinions. People naturally interpret things differently. You all are entitled to your opinions about me as well.

[pirate mollie]

Yo Java, you might want to claim

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yo Java, you might want to claim

woah

unvote

This way too fast. It is page 5 we have someone with 2 posts and someone with 6 posts. Let this play out.

FoS Mollie

[Something_Smart]

^true but shotty you ought to know that someone on a wagon at L-1 has no leverage to force a claim.

Mollie, why do you want java to claim?

[drmyshottyizsik]

^true but shotty you ought to know that someone on a wagon at L-1 has no leverage to force a claim.

Mollie, why do you want java to claim?

Hence the FoS. This is terribly scummy. Almost acting like they are going to hammer if they don't claim. I know they didn't say intent to hammer, but it was still overly aggressive and shows a lot of opportunism on their behalf.

[Something_Smart]

That's not why you said you were FoSing her. You said it was because you didn't want a lynch this early in the game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think way to fast and overly aggressive are close enough

[Something_Smart]

But you also admitted that Mollie can't actually lynch Java. So the fear of a fast lynch based off of that post is unfounded. Why, then, did you unvote?

[GuiltyLion]

k now I'm confused as to why shotty was aggressive with respect to the S_S wagon but then suddenly backs off on the javajoe wagon

like that's absurdly inconsistent

[drmyshottyizsik]

But you also admitted that Mollie can't actually lynch Java. So the fear of a fast lynch based off of that post is unfounded. Why, then, did you unvote?

I didn't know they were already voting when I unvoted.

As for why I'm backing off this vs the SS wagon, I was pressuring SS and wanted to see how SS squirmed, but with java I thought we were about to have a quick hammer. In other words, I wasn't in control of weather or not java was hammered like I was on SS, and that scares me. Last thing we need is a quick lynch day one, and I really don't like the way mollie just did that,

[Something_Smart]

So it's okay for

you

to threaten to hammer to see the reaction...but it's not okay for anyone else to do the same thing?

[drmyshottyizsik]

So it's okay for

you

to threaten to hammer to see the reaction...but it's not okay for anyone else to do the same thing?

I didn't say it was or wasn't ok. I said I didn't have the same level of control so it worries me more. I knew I wouldn't hammer you.

[Something_Smart]

I can see how you would be worried about a lynch... but now how does the FoS fit in with this? According to you, Mollie was trying the same thing that you did, except that you didn't know she wouldn't hammer the way you knew you wouldn't (except you didn't bother to look and see if she even could hammer). So how can you scumread her for doing that?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I can see how you would be worried about a lynch... but now how does the FoS fit in with this? According to you, Mollie was trying the same thing that you did, except that you didn't know she wouldn't hammer the way you knew you wouldn't (except you didn't bother to look and see if she even could hammer). So how can you scumread her for doing that?

an FoS isn't a scum read, and I never asked anyone to claim.

[Something_Smart]

I interpreted your FoS to be a weak scumread, a scumlean if you'd prefer to call it that. Regardless of semantics, you found her action scummy. Also, asking for a claim and giving intent to hammer are virtually equivalent.

What is your current read on Mollie? What did you mean by the FoS, if not that she was leaning scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I interpreted your FoS to be a weak scumread, a scumlean if you'd prefer to call it that. Regardless of semantics, you found her action scummy. Also, asking for a claim and giving intent to hammer are virtually equivalent.

What is your current read on Mollie? What did you mean by the FoS, if not that she was leaning scum?

I don't have a full read, and by FoS I meant Finger of Shame. I am wagging my finger in shame.