Micro 615: The Walking Dead: Episode 5 (GAME OVER)

[WhiteLight]

Excited to begin

VOTE: Mollie
No early vote from you?

p-edit, you reading our mind Maverick

[WhiteLight]

Good job Suzune we caught one

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Why is this voteworthy shotty?

Why isn't it vote worthy in RVS?

VOTE: SirCakez

[WhiteLight]

Tempted to hammer to follow Radja game tradition. :/

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

We caught one BBT!

[WhiteLight]

Woah...I would say that's unexpected but this is Radja's game.

[WhiteLight]

I am having trouble determining how I feel about this situation to be perfectly honest. :/

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

"This game is very complicated because it seems like a lot of things are going on. However, while we disagree on reads for some people. We believe that Shotty is probably the most scummy right now. I personally disliked him early game, with the vote on Java. It seemed like a easy jump lynch. This caused the landslide into the next situation of the game. He seemed to swing back and forth during the answering for other people discussion. This makes me leery of him. From where I stand right now, I am thinking a slight town lean on SS. and a Scum lean on Shotty. Shotty scum reading SS feels like scum that cannot afford to lose a mislynch"

VOTE: Shotty

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

SS and BBT stop with the TvT and go vote Shotty!

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Because I mentioned that I was not scum reading him

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"You're sure it is a successful lynch after four pages off... wow

[WhiteLight]

"You intend to hammer, you must believe in it."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"I never claimed to know for a fact is was a mislynch, just that if felt that way."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

'How dare we have an opinion?"

[WhiteLight]

"We are actually having a blast. No one is defensive here, except maybe your posts."

[WhiteLight]

"Something enlightening did happen in this witty exchange though. It troubles me greatly that you would be willing to hammer someone you are not sure is scum. With time still on the clock, you are rushing a lynch then."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

My partner only gets sheeped by scum, lynch the traitor!

VOTE: Java


~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I wld like to see more beeboy out of the wl slot!

Yohello!

I am voting scum and I like my vote. Shotty could also be scum.
I am gut town reading BBT and legitimately town reading SS.

All other players are null.

I would be posting more but me and Suzune disagree on reads a lot and we enjoy coordinating together instead of just doing random free for all like other hydras. We have spoken to each other about almost every single post we have made this game so assume anything Suzune says is something I support or else I would bully her until she doesn't make the post!

[WhiteLight]

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I wld like to see more beeboy out of the wl slot!

Yohello!

I am voting scum and I like my vote. Shotty could also be scum.
I am gut town reading BBT and legitimately town reading SS.

All other players are null.

I would be posting more but me and Suzune disagree on reads a lot and we enjoy coordinating together instead of just doing random free for all like other hydras. We have spoken to each other about almost every single post we have made this game so assume anything Suzune says is something I support or else I would bully her until she doesn't make the post!

how the fuck am i null to you

o3o you just are I don't know.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

java is softclaiming speshul are you sure you are still okay with dat vote

Personally I am ok with the vote as I don't care how special you claim to be because scum pretend to be special pretty much every game but I don't know if Suzune knows we are voting a claimed special person.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Me and Suzune grouped up this morning before she decided to randomly abandon me without warning </3

We like our vote and don't know what else to say.
She left before I asked her, her thoughts on GL.
My thoughts are currently in the negative though...

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

It's annoying that they have to coordinate exactly what they're going to say, though. They weren't like that before.

This is so many levels of made up and wrong.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I also have reads on 5/8 players so.... >_>
Like this lack of content stuff just feels really made up.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I also have reads on 5/8 players so.... >_>
Like this lack of content stuff just feels really made up.

~Bee

except you don't have 1 on me which is bad cos I figured that I wld be the player you have the most experience with.

@ ss

was he scum or town in that freedom game

In those games I was scum or you where in a hydra so I didn't take a lot out of how you played and the last time we played and I accused you of being scum and I drove a mislynch since you where actually town and I was 100% certain you where not playing to your town game so I am incredibly wary of my ability to read you to be perfectly honest despite our play time together.

~Bee

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I thought I knew how you played but the Pokemon game proved me wrong...

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Code: Select all

[vote]Javv[/vote]

If you are having trouble you can just copy the above code

[WhiteLight]

I have some reads to share, but I want to run them by my other half.

However he is quite ill and I have company over. So we will both be back tomorrow.

~Suzune

[WhiteLight]

Knowing Beeboy, yeah he'd make that argument as town.

I am happy you where able to identify the one sentence in that post that was my pro analysis.

[WhiteLight]

This is where we are standing right now on the game.

Town: Maverick, SS
Slight Town: Mollie
Town-Null: BBT
True Null: Shotty
Null-Scum: Sir Cakez
Scum Lean
Scum: Guilty, Java

These are our combined reads.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"To us Maverick sounds genuine in his posts, his comments show that he is thinking about a reflecting on the game. Giving us a townie read on him.

As for Sir Cakez, . Bee is kind of null andI'm thinking a little scummy scummy. So kind of null-scu. His earlier posts seem to be posts to post. His later posts are all meta heavy leaving very little discussion on the on going game."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

I'm not trying to get you to scum read me btw, I am just trying to make heads and tales of those reads.

they really don't make much sense do they

"Actually, there is good reasoning behind them all. They have all been carefully discussed."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

I'm not trying to get you to scum read me btw, I am just trying to make heads and tales of those reads.

"You early posts were scummy and easily pushable. I think your responses were genuine and reflected town pressure and response when the lynch train began."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

I'm not trying to get you to scum read me btw, I am just trying to make heads and tales of those reads.

they really don't make much sense do they

What parts of our reads do you want us to explain that we haven't already?


~Bee

[WhiteLight]

"If we cannot convience you that Java is a good choice, we will be forced to change to guilty. However, we are not going to let that read go, simply because you do not wish to entertain it right now. Town always seems to think that having a power role that can be confirmed means you are town. Having a power role does not make you town. What use would a town have to an ability to figure out the role. What the town needs is a regular cop.

Mollie is there something you want to ask us, because you have been hypercritical of our game the entire time?"

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"Many of your posts seem to be directed at us. You pressure Bee for reads on you. You question our ability to think about and examine reads. So I hoped to move the process along by asking you for your questions"

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

I want you to think about this critically for a bit, is a 1-shot rolecop a way for town to deal with scum PRs or a way for scum to deal with town PRs?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

it depends on the set up. a role cop is not a guaranteed scum role

Radja usually makes town incredibly powerful and a 1-shot rolecop feels incredibly weak as our investigative role.
Like rolecop in inherently scummy and Javajoe has been playing scummy.

[WhiteLight]

okay

can you walk me through your thought processes a bit? cos your explanation for your reads are pretty surface and I wld like to scratch a bit deeper.

What reads do you need a mind tour on?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

If you look at Radja games 1-shot rolecops would not lie on the town side of his usual balance methods.

BBT can probably confirm this as he has played in as many Radja games as I have.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

"Pick something for us to talk about. I do not intend to mock up all our notes on every single person, because that removes all of our opinions, positions and cards from play. While being candid is an important townie quality. Sharing overly, tell the scum exactly how to play."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"I will not sit by and allow you to misrepresent us. Either of you actually.

Misrepresenting the situation. The issue is not whether or not they are convincing me, it's not even whether or not Java is a good choice. Due to the nature of his claim, we won't lynch him today. Maybe tomorrow. But not today.

This is the kind of behviour that lost the game for me in cult of the C9. You inability to see beyond the power role limits the towns ability because it teaches it that power roles mean safety.

Who's forcing you? Guilty is, according to their combined reads, as much of a scumread as Java, and there's no reason a Java wagon couldn't go through without my vote anyway.

When I say we will be forced to I mean that we will have no other choice. I am not sure where the wording is incorrect there.

You seem to think the post is all about you. Which is it not. It is our opinion on the matter that we believe Java to be scum. If he cannot be lynched today we will be forced to drive out other but I stand by that being a good lynch. Please enlighten the audience, what would scum whitelight do. Because right now town white light is pissed.

No one is taking us seriously right now, and that is most annoying.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"I have a good reason to believe that the Java lynch is the stronger lynch. Therefore, I do not want to see it get away.

I will be honest, I have never once said before that I was being misrepresented but you read that entire post wrong and rolled on your feelings about what whitelight might do. That was the misrep. I do not doubt your towniness but for someone reading our posts the way you say you are, you seem to be missing the main points.

We are missing responding to the reads posts. That post is coming, sorry about getting distracted with something else."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

"I will not be making a long post that explain all of our reads in details. I am getting horrible flashbacks of once doing that for Titus only to have her laugh in my face then lynch me, only to have her win as scum. I would prefer, if we must go through them all that we do it one by one. Who first then?"

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Before this moment, I do not understand why you do not understand that...

[WhiteLight]

Before this moment, I do not understand why you do not understand that...

Honestly, if you are going to misunderstand something, at least do the decency of quoting the entire sentence:

I have never once said before that I was being misrepresented

but

you read that entire post wrong and rolled on your feelings about what whitelight might do.

I explained that I had said it, notice the but.

p-edit, will do Mollie

[WhiteLight]

Do you ever just want to throw your hands up in frustration?

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Can you just vote the scum instead of us?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Java is obviously scum he claimed a blatantly scum role and somehow we are scum for coming to that conclusion. It is honestly just so many levels of bad reads that i can't wrap my head around.

We where going to lynch scum he claimed a scum role and for reason that makes him town.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Let's do the reads then. At least we will have some legacy for people to vote by.

Maverick.

This one is easy. He has few posts. post 169 and post 174. These show his understanding of the game and how he views. I believe they come from a very townie mindset. They are not posted in any part of the topic to suggest they are mere echoes. Therefore, I find him quite townie for the time being.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

The second one you asked for is Cakez. Since no one else has even kind of offered opinions on him, I fail to see why having one is suddenly our fault. Or apparently it is opposite your opinion on them since we put them at null-scum.

SirCakez:

I do not know what more i can simply tell you about it. Post 26 and 38 are just filler. Post 105 adds little to the game and isolations 15-18 are all meta motivated. There is not much really to say. It is not a terrible complicated read."

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

What's on your mind?

What to hear the truth? I thought it would be fun to play a hydra. It would be interesting to share ideas with another. Beeboy is nice and funny, he offered and I said yes. But every fucking game with him has been everyone rally on Suzune and beeboy. They do not use beeboy's usual voice. Suzune is too defensive. Or whatever.

I have not lied, not bend the truth, not compromised my reads or my stance, tried to lay out the facts and the information. However, everyone fails to read it and instead relies on meta. You are right last time we were scum and even in death I did not understand why we died. Why would I not want to throw my hands up in the air since you want to use that game to lynch us.

[WhiteLight]

^Sorry for not signing it, that was Suzune

[WhiteLight]

I feel guilty for losing my temper. My apologizes it is unprofessional.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Mollie considering what you said about me when I read you as scum because you where playing differently on a hydra I am surprised at what you are doing here. At least I am posting this game.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I am sorry, I have no way to give you deeper scum reads. If I tell you how I can tell based on feeling or tone it will be disregarded. Therefore, I have nothing else interesting to tell you. Beeboy and I have combined reads and opinions. Therefore, his reads and mine are united. Please continue your hunt. I apologize that I cannot give you what you asking for.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

It is a legit scum read on Cakes he is relying a lot on meta which is something I do a lot as scum. There is only so much to say about reads this early. I can't go any deeper then that because I can only explain how simple Sircakez posts are in so many ways.

Java on the other hand was trying to pass off his one-shot role cop as something it wasn't (you have no reason to hide this) and he also said scum have low power which just can't be true because otherwise what are you role copping? He plays like scum and makes a play that no way suggests he is town and he way he makes the claim is also scummy. He also isn't scum hunting and is using that claim to coast. Like it is really obviously scummy and you aren't expecting anything out him and you think there is a problem with us being frustrated because that is honestly a fucking joke considering what has been said this game,

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Java is coasting on his terrible claim and we are getting shit shoved down our throat.

[WhiteLight]

Because our reads aren't in depth enough. Like honestly that is just terrible.

[WhiteLight]

We are being scum read for not playing to your guys expectations that is not meta that is just stupid.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

It is a legit scum read on Cakes he is relying a lot on meta which is something I do a lot as scum. There is only so much to say about reads this early. I can't go any deeper then that because I can only explain how simple Sircakez posts are in so many ways.

how is cake boy more heavily on meta than ss?

Java on the other hand was trying to pass off his one-shot role cop as something it wasn't (you have no reason to hide this) and he also said scum have low power which just can't be true because otherwise what are you role copping? He plays like scum and makes a play that no way suggests he is town and he way he makes the claim is also scummy. He also isn't scum hunting and is using that claim to coast. Like it is really obviously scummy and you aren't expecting anything out him and you think there is a problem with us being frustrated because that is honestly a fucking joke considering what has been said this game,

~Bee

hhhmmm...

I have other reasons to believe SS is genuine, he engages more and is simply just a lot townies then Cakes has been this game.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

There was a 1-shot Cop in Episode 2....

In TWD there was a watcher and in episode 2 of pokemon there was an even night cop and a scum role-cop. Also keep in mind the power differences between an alignment and a role cop.

This is just stupid though. Java's claim sounds legit to me actually.

You said the same thing about my role cop claim in The Legend of Zelda. I am not saying he isn't a role cop I am saying he is a scum role cop.

Why haven't you mentioned this read at all before?

We would rather capitalize on our GL and Java scum reads first as they are stronger and by the time we potentially lynched them oour read on you would have probably developed.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Now I know both heads of WhiteLight complained about us using meta. But the fact is that meta works, and that's why people use it. This hydra is playing at a much lower level than each head is capable of on its own, and that has to count for something.

I wouldn't say Suzune is playing at a lower level here and neither am I that is kind of just insulting to be perfectly honest. Like out of curiosity look at the last time we played together and I was town (pokemon episode 4+5) all my reads had little to no explanation to back them up. I town read Lilith simply because I town read you and trusted your read. Like I lynched UTL out of gut and BBT due to the associations created since I was lynching his buddy for little to no reason. I actually would have lost us the game by driving 2 mislynches if Dewy didn't do a good job passing off her BP as a powerful town PR and getting herself night killed.

Yes I am capable of playing better but to say I have this really deep level of analysis every single game simply isn't true because the last time we played together I demonstrated the opposite.

Also me and Suzune are both in incredibly high number of games right now compared to what we usually play in so that is another factor that could be negatively effecting our play.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

his hydra is playing at a much lower level than each head is capable of on its own,

Geez I wonder why I would think that we are being scum read because we aren't playing to peoples expectations?

[WhiteLight]

If you can't read people based on expectations, then how do you form reads?
You townread people for playing for your expectation of town play, including town motivation and town mindset.
You scumread people for not having those things. I would not expect any player (save a few special cases) to play like you are as town. Why is this so upsetting to you?

Then what is scummy about our play outside the fact you think me and Suzune can play at a higher level of play when if you look at past games I just baselessly throw around gut reads?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

The reason I am town reading you is the same reason I was town reading Bellaphant in the last walking dead game where everyone was calling me crazy since my read wasn't based on a lot. Her iso that game, I am just getting a really strong feeling despite your lack of posts that you are genuinely trying to sort out what is happening from a neutral unbiased standpoint so you can solve the game.

~Bee

Not sure why I said voting for you instead of town reading you haha

[WhiteLight]

Okay since there is really no way around it. Also since the crumbs were missed...we claim 2-shot cop.

This is why we are sure there is something up with the rolecop.

[WhiteLight]

~That was Suz by the way. My apologises for forgetting to sign it.

[WhiteLight]

I tried to hint it here, post 259What the town needs is a regular cop., however it seemed to go over everyone's head. There would be no reason for the town to need both a role cop and an actual cop. Since the cop brings up the guilty the town needs and the role cop just confirms there are indeed power roles. The town need not know what the enemy has packing as long as they know they are the enemy.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Rick Grimes and we receive our results in the form town and not town.
Being sick and being unable to sleep is a fun combo.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Why? Do you think it is more likely he is a town 1-shot rolecop compared to me being a town 2-shot cop?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Did you play the last walking dead game where town had a doctor, cop and a double voter?
Or the pokemon game he last modded where town had a watcher, 1-shot vig and bulletproof?
Radja games tend to be town sided in my opinion.


~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Fair Trackers are a lot weaker then watchers.

[WhiteLight]

Can we please not go derp mode?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I rolled gunsmith on episode 3 and was lynched day 1 because my flavor didn't make sense.
I really don't want to be lynched day 1 again as an investigative because of more bogus...


~Bee

[WhiteLight]

If Mollie truly is a protective I REALLLLYYYY want to lynch Java.


~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Listen, I have never played in a walking dead game before. I do not even know the flavour. Therefore, I find all the posts where you guys reference the past games to be kind of busy work. I am glad you bothered to look them up, however, I think that any host worth their salt knows we are going to backlook them and takes that into consideration. Keeping ideas fresh and players on their toes is his job. So I tend to look at this game from just a micro perspective.

I have to agree with SS that there really is no reason to check each other. What is there to be gained form that. So he learns we are a cop. That is great and all but it does nothing for the game but prove one exists. Likewise, checking to see if their town or not does not aid the game either. In a micro game I do not think there is any reason to have both a role cop and a cop on the town side. It sounds like something the mafia would use to up their chances.

The most concering part of this whole thing is hard to pinpoint.
1. The most bizarre leaps on the Mav
2. The way guilty is able to hop around, backs his opinions terribly and then no one thinks it is odd.
3. The fact that Java does not scum read us, but is so casual about being lynched. Almost reads like throwing in the towel. It also looks like he intends to wait it out until people get bored or choose to fight amoungst themselves.
4. The fact that shotty uses so much math and has the whole game planned out...

We are looking for Java lynch. It is a position that we are supporting. The fact that he is so sure he will get a town read if we search him alarms me.

-in randomness-
I like BBT's signature.

~Suzune

[WhiteLight]

If it is any consolation, you are scum in my book too~

~Suzune

[WhiteLight]

Prod Recieved

Posting now~

[WhiteLight]

Mav there you go again being scummy. You say I intend to hammer, but you are taking that completely out of context. I said I would hammer sometime within the last 4 hours to avoid defaulting to a no lynch.

What are you expecting to happen before then? The game seems to have halted progress. What are you waiting on?

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Mav is town and if he ever gets lynched I will cry.

~Bee

How dare you steal my pagetop

[WhiteLight]

I kinda wanted mollie to say where her reads on everyone ended up.

Mollie is highly likely to be town and therefore this is only needed if she thinks it is needed.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I think that GuiltyLion is scum.
He said it is scummy that we stopped scum hunting once we claimed cop. (which isn't true)
But he said it was towny that JavaJoe did the same thing.
Either he is hard defending a buddy or he really wants to get the alignment cop off the table.

[WhiteLight]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Unless there is a framer GuiltyLion is not town.
My result pm literally read GuiltyLion is not town, not your target is not town so a redirector is out of the question and a Framer in a micro seems unrealistic.

[WhiteLight]

^ ~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Why is Mollie alive... >_>
That really strikes me as odd.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I find it odd Mollie is alive but she is far from scum.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

"Personally, I am looking at a Guilty/Shotty scum team. Shotty started pinging me all the wrong ways when he busted out the math. It started sending up red flags for me. Then the new day starts and he is going to lynch outside of the cop guilty, for a mostly undisclosed reason."

~Suzune

[WhiteLight]

So we where heavily scum reading GuiltyLion all of yesterday so I don't know why this comes as a surprise. I actually think he is more likely to be scum then Shotty but I am not 100% sure who Suzune thought was more likely to be scum but we agreed that the scum team is probably Shotty/GL.

The night action was my idea and we discussed it for roughly 2 messages on Skype as we didn't even think it would resolve. Also for our investigative action to work scum must not have a way to interact with our cop ability. That means that scum would be very eager to get us lynched yesterday. Who was eager to lynch us yesterday? GL. That was my reasoning for choosing GL.

[WhiteLight]

^ ~Bee

[WhiteLight]

GL why are you obviously town?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I think that GuiltyLion is scum.
He said it is scummy that we stopped scum hunting once we claimed cop. (which isn't true)
But he said it was towny that JavaJoe did the same thing.
Either he is hard defending a buddy or he really wants to get the alignment cop off the table.

Listen, I have never played in a walking dead game before. I do not even know the flavour. Therefore, I find all the posts where you guys reference the past games to be kind of busy work. I am glad you bothered to look them up, however, I think that any host worth their salt knows we are going to backlook them and takes that into consideration. Keeping ideas fresh and players on their toes is his job. So I tend to look at this game from just a micro perspective.

I have to agree with SS that there really is no reason to check each other. What is there to be gained form that. So he learns we are a cop. That is great and all but it does nothing for the game but prove one exists. Likewise, checking to see if their town or not does not aid the game either. In a micro game I do not think there is any reason to have both a role cop and a cop on the town side. It sounds like something the mafia would use to up their chances.

The most concering part of this whole thing is hard to pinpoint.
1. The most bizarre leaps on the Mav
2. The way guilty is able to hop around, backs his opinions terribly and then no one thinks it is odd.
3. The fact that Java does not scum read us, but is so casual about being lynched. Almost reads like throwing in the towel. It also looks like he intends to wait it out until people get bored or choose to fight amoungst themselves.
4. The fact that shotty uses so much math and has the whole game planned out...

We are looking for Java lynch. It is a position that we are supporting. The fact that he is so sure he will get a town read if we search him alarms me.

-in randomness-
I like BBT's signature.

~Suzune

This is where we are standing right now on the game.

Town: Maverick, SS
Slight Town: Mollie
Town-Null: BBT
True Null: Shotty
Null-Scum: Sir Cakez
Scum Lean
Scum: Guilty, Java

These are our combined reads.

~Suz

I thought I spoke about this more but he was clearly our top scum read...

[WhiteLight]

There was a setup with a Gunsmith, Watcher, and 3x town neighborhood (this is incredibly pro town as there is information going around the scum can't see)
A loved and hated townie. Arguably given the gunsmith and watcher the hated was conf town as giving scum negative utility after all that is pretty crazy.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65696

Scum was given a ninja to counter the watcher.

[WhiteLight]

I mislynched day 1 because my flavor and soft claim didn't make sense :'(

[WhiteLight]

see this is why we should have let them check each other and lynched elsewhere yesterday! Now we have no way of anyone backing up anyone else's story, we have two dead town and we are looking at probably a 50/50 shot at lylo tomorrow. We are between a rock and a hard place here. Also why is math scummy, I'm still now getting this. I am, to a large extent, a mathematician. I tutor calculus, and right programming algorithms, my first thought usually is math, btw math helps a lot with games and possible role especially if you assume EV between at least 40/60 to 60/40. I'm not saying it is sure fire but most mods want balance, and math helps us draw lines to be able to fill in the sketch.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... dard_Tells

Also I shouldn't have to explain how voting outside the cop and the cop guilty is incredibly scummy play. Like Mollie spent all of yesterday explaining how quickly you can lose a game by waiting to sort stuff like that.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Mollie are you okay with a massclaim?

I think the ideal order should be GL - shotty - Cakez - me - Mav (then Mollie if she wants to clarify her claim).

I prefer the popcorn method

[WhiteLight]

So you had reason to believe Java was 100% telling be truth yesterday (or atleast I was 100% acum) but you said nothing after intent was claimed on him because you wanted post intent associatives? Seems legit.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Read yesterday GL was the only active poster post Shotty intent.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

GL why didn't you CC when Shotty claimed intent? No associatives in that time outweigh lynching a town PR over scum.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

You dodged my question.

[WhiteLight]

how where you not getting me lynched if you claimed tracker yesterday compared to claiming tracker today?
~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Maverick lynching inside me and GL is the most optimal play today.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

We are lynching Shotty tomorrow.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I did want to lynch him....
What plan?
Currently Shotty

Plan:
Lynch GL
If he flips scum then lynch you followed by shotty
If he flips town then lynch WL followed by either you or shotty, pending reevaluation

How did cakez jump so high on this list?

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Smart stop. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one and Shotty's claim is totally made up.

[WhiteLight]

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Mollie and Cakez can you 2 end this day phase by voting GL?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Last scum is Shotty 100%.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Lynch Shotty once he flips scum please.
Ignore his trolling.
He hammered a town read over his scum read without giving intent or waiting for other people's input.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

peoples*

[WhiteLight]

Wait no people's is correct >_>
God I am tired.

[WhiteLight]

You where pushing a SS/WL scum team very recently so I assumed everyone else must have been town my bad.
I don't think any town is bad enough to not lynch you though. The PGO claim is so fake...

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Nope.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I am a lyncher survivor with a confirmed guilty

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I can't just spit out reads on a whim, each one must be carefully considered and weighed against the entirety of the evidence at hand

I feel like if you had something to say that would help the town you would not struggle to come up with things to say.

~Suzune

[WhiteLight]

Okay, I was told to drop my thoughts here incase we die tonight.

I would like to refute this claim:

I'm Dr. Edwin Jenner, Town Suicidal PGO.

Suicidal is usually considered a bastard modifier because nothing can be done to stop the player from dying.
It is a town negative utility role which would have been important to say day one.
Since two power roles were revealed yesterday that claimed to be informational then it should have come up yesterday
Also according to the wiki Suicidal players have to have a set time to die, such as night or post count. Being a trigger from an attack would defy that rule.

We will target Shotty tonight.
We may get shot, but the role is a bluff. The suicidal part of it at least. That is just to keep him from being targeted. To make it look like a sacrifice.
We advocate his lynch.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Also a roleblocker is out of the question because if there is one we would have been blocked on night 1.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Don't target shorty that's stupid, we know he's scum

Nah if he is lying we win 100% of the time, if he is telling the truth we get put in 3 man lylo which is the equivalent of lynching him.
Also Maverick is like 100% town.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

VOTE: Shotty

Shotty is apparently not town. We were also not shot...therefore, I guess someone was not a paranoid gun owner.

~Suzune

[WhiteLight]

Would never have crossed my mind to have a jester in a nine person game...or in any game really since I have not seen one since coming to mafiascum.

~Suzune