Micro 615: The Walking Dead: Episode 5 (GAME OVER)

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: java
I wanted first

[drmyshottyizsik]

Guys, I win with town again, just fyi.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Java, why answer a question directed at shotty?

This is strange.
VOTE: java

[drmyshottyizsik]

omg somebody else is alive
2 questions to you, shotty:
#1 what is the meaning of 13?
#2: why did you make post 22?

Read last episode, and it was weird java felt he needed to answer for me.

[drmyshottyizsik]

but you were already voting him

Ya but the first vote was super rvs. Him answering for me was legitimately scummy

[drmyshottyizsik]

but you were already voting him

Ya but the first vote was super rvs. Him answering for me was legitimately scummy

Why is that, and why did you not just say "vote is now serious"?

I had forgotten who I RVSd and my reasoning is self explanatory

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't think it's self explanatory. Did you think it was scum just because it was "strange"?

It's scummy any time someone answers for someone

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Guilty: what about it don't you like?

It's written as if you have a phrase ("vote is now serious") that you want him to say, and are pressuring him on the basis of not literally saying that phrase.

It's not a logical way to scumhunt, seems more like just finding something arbitrary to make a push on. Further, I don't see how shotty's response to that question is likely to help townies sort him. What were you looking for in his response?

This is a complete misrep of what happened. It was a perfectly fine question. Why are you making a bid deal ou of someone making a not so big deal out of something?

[drmyshottyizsik]

intent to hammer ss, awful gambit. Looked fake and has no town motivation

[drmyshottyizsik]

"This game is very complicated because it seems like a lot of things are going on. However, while we disagree on reads for some people. We believe that Shotty is probably the most scummy right now. I personally disliked him early game, with the vote on Java. It seemed like a easy jump lynch. This caused the landslide into the next situation of the game. He seemed to swing back and forth during the answering for other people discussion. This makes me leery of him. From where I stand right now, I am thinking a slight town lean on SS. and a Scum lean on Shotty. Shotty scum reading SS feels like scum that cannot afford to lose a mislynch"

VOTE: Shotty

~Suz

My first question is how do you know it's a mislynch?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Because I mentioned that I was not scum reading him

~Suz

So you are sure it's a mislynch off of 4 pages... wow

[drmyshottyizsik]

"You're sure it is a successful lynch after four pages off... wow

I never said that.

[drmyshottyizsik]

"You intend to hammer, you must believe in it."

~Suz

I never claimed to know for a fact that I knew he was scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

"I never claimed to know for a fact is was a mislynch, just that if felt that way."

~Suz

Your tone was, and still is, very certain.

[drmyshottyizsik]

'How dare we have an opinion?"

There is a large difference between certainty and opinion. I haven't switched my vote to you yet, I simply asked you a question. I will say though you have gotten awfully defensive against someone who didn't even vote for you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

"Something enlightening did happen in this witty exchange though. It troubles me greatly that you would be willing to hammer someone you are not sure is scum. With time still on the clock, you are rushing a lynch then."

~Suz

That wasn't what concerned you at first? Of course I'm not going to just hammer, but I like heavy pressure day one lynches. It is my play style. I often think of day one almost as a formality. The analogy I like to use is day one we are trying to solve a riddle, but we don't know any details of the riddle, we don't know the answer, and we have 0 clues.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Care to explain?

[drmyshottyizsik]

You clearly didn't analyze the fake selfhammer. "looked fake and has no town motivation" is a throwaway comment I see scum making.

Do you think it looked real? Or what is towns motivation for that?

[drmyshottyizsik]

This is the second time today I'm going to be mislynched because of my play style. I like high pressure. I didn't ask for a claim I wanted to see how he squirmed. Take that as you will but that is how I scum hunt.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't like the idea of people being intentionally dishonest, and is a scum tell to me. So if a townie is pulling a gambit and intentionally lying then they will seem scummy to me and detracting from me seeing the actual scum. That's why I don't like gambits

Something isn't scummy to you or anyone person. It is either scummy or it isn't. Gambits are not scum tells.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yo Java, you might want to claim

woah

unvote

This way too fast. It is page 5 we have someone with 2 posts and someone with 6 posts. Let this play out.

FoS Mollie

[drmyshottyizsik]

^true but shotty you ought to know that someone on a wagon at L-1 has no leverage to force a claim.

Mollie, why do you want java to claim?

Hence the FoS. This is terribly scummy. Almost acting like they are going to hammer if they don't claim. I know they didn't say intent to hammer, but it was still overly aggressive and shows a lot of opportunism on their behalf.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think way to fast and overly aggressive are close enough

[drmyshottyizsik]

But you also admitted that Mollie can't actually lynch Java. So the fear of a fast lynch based off of that post is unfounded. Why, then, did you unvote?

I didn't know they were already voting when I unvoted.

As for why I'm backing off this vs the SS wagon, I was pressuring SS and wanted to see how SS squirmed, but with java I thought we were about to have a quick hammer. In other words, I wasn't in control of weather or not java was hammered like I was on SS, and that scares me. Last thing we need is a quick lynch day one, and I really don't like the way mollie just did that,

[drmyshottyizsik]

So it's okay for

you

to threaten to hammer to see the reaction...but it's not okay for anyone else to do the same thing?

I didn't say it was or wasn't ok. I said I didn't have the same level of control so it worries me more. I knew I wouldn't hammer you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I can see how you would be worried about a lynch... but now how does the FoS fit in with this? According to you, Mollie was trying the same thing that you did, except that you didn't know she wouldn't hammer the way you knew you wouldn't (except you didn't bother to look and see if she even could hammer). So how can you scumread her for doing that?

an FoS isn't a scum read, and I never asked anyone to claim.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I interpreted your FoS to be a weak scumread, a scumlean if you'd prefer to call it that. Regardless of semantics, you found her action scummy. Also, asking for a claim and giving intent to hammer are virtually equivalent.

What is your current read on Mollie? What did you mean by the FoS, if not that she was leaning scum?

I don't have a full read, and by FoS I meant Finger of Shame. I am wagging my finger in shame.

[drmyshottyizsik]

FoS does mean finger of suspicion. I'm really not liking the contradictions in the logic of you or shotty right now.

Well I've thought FoS meant something else for 6 years then.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I interpreted your FoS to be a weak scumread, a scumlean if you'd prefer to call it that. Regardless of semantics, you found her action scummy. Also, asking for a claim and giving intent to hammer are virtually equivalent.

What is your current read on Mollie? What did you mean by the FoS, if not that she was leaning scum?

I don't have a full read, and by FoS I meant Finger of Shame. I am wagging my finger in shame.

I'm embarrassed, but that is actually what I thought FoS meant. >.<

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sorry real life got hectic and most of my on site time went to modding, I'm here more tonight

[drmyshottyizsik]

This is where we are standing right now on the game.

Town: Maverick, SS
Slight Town: Mollie
Town-Null: BBT
True Null: Shotty
Null-Scum: Sir Cakez
Scum Lean
Scum: Guilty, Java

These are our combined reads.

~Suz

Have I really done nothing that is alignment indicative?

[drmyshottyizsik]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

No offense, but if that were the case why am I not scum-null? The behavior you described above is usually looked at as scum failing to look town,

[drmyshottyizsik]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

I'm not trying to get you to scum read me btw, I am just trying to make heads and tales of those reads.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well that's interesting

[drmyshottyizsik]

We are being scum read for not playing to your guys expectations that is not meta that is just stupid.

~Bee

It's not that you aren't playing to people's expectations, and it's very strange that you are assuming that people think your reads are strange because you aren't "playing to your guys expectations".

[drmyshottyizsik]

There was a 1-shot Cop in Episode 2....

In TWD there was a watcher and in episode 2 of pokemon there was an even night cop and a scum role-cop. Also keep in mind the power differences between an alignment and a role cop.

This is just stupid though. Java's claim sounds legit to me actually.

You said the same thing about my role cop claim in The Legend of Zelda. I am not saying he isn't a role cop I am saying he is a scum role cop.

Why haven't you mentioned this read at all before?

We would rather capitalize on our GL and Java scum reads first as they are stronger and by the time we potentially lynched them oour read on you would have probably developed.

~Bee

I like this post. It would be really easy for scum to line up lynches here, and you are choosing not to. I'm not saying you are scum, in fact after this I am not scum reading you, but I would like more explanations later.

[drmyshottyizsik]

If you can't read people based on expectations, then how do you form reads?
You townread people for playing for your expectation of town play, including town motivation and town mindset.
You scumread people for not having those things. I would not expect any player (save a few special cases) to play like you are as town. Why is this so upsetting to you?

I think you both have a different meaning to you "expectations" here.

[drmyshottyizsik]

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Why lynch me when you can have WL investigate me tonight and know for sure?

Probably because we aren't sure about WL either

[drmyshottyizsik]

But one of us is surely telling the truth and if we both investigate each other then it proves both of our alignments

Why are you assuming no one thinks you are scum together?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Fine, lynch me if you want, all I can do is say I told you so when we both flip town because I believe WL's claim

well still on morphine but
VOTE: java

[drmyshottyizsik]

In that case, why can't both roles be town?

Only one way to fin out,

[drmyshottyizsik]

In that case, why can't both roles be town?

Only one way to fin out,

So you are saying the only way to find out is to lynch one of us? As opposed to having us investigate each other as I suggest?

VOTE: shotty

I think you are partners so I'm sorry but two people I think are scum confirming each other is hardly comforting.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I still prefer WL lynch to java lynch

also Cakez I think you're just salty about college mafia, your scumread towards me is somewhat ridiculous. I'm the only one with a Mav scumread and I'll take the credit when he flips scum please and thank you

What exactly is your case on WL? Also are you well poisoning cakez? And preparing a bus on mav? Idk this all just looks really scummy

p-edit:
yes you kind of started it, but what since them have you supported it with?

[drmyshottyizsik]

UNVOTE:
I'm actually thinking this investigating each other is a good idea. SS would be my third choice in a lynch so
VOTE: SS
investigating each other is actually the best idea here. We would pretty much have a confirmed scum. The more I think about it, the more I think one of you has to be lying. My first thought was you both were scum, but no a re read you really don't seem like partners. I scum read you both and wished you were partners but I just don't see you being scum together. I say SS today, for sure scum tomorrow.

[drmyshottyizsik]

morphine, honestly I had you are am only null-scum read. It's weak but let's see where this goes. If you're town there is nothing to be afraid of. If one of them is scum then the role cop is scum end of story.

[drmyshottyizsik]

look

it really is this simple. you don't let a 1v1 claim/cc go another day. period. end of story. this is how town loses games/

look I am back on my winning streak of town games can you plz not get derpy and fuck it up tia

I just can't see a scenario where the cop and not the role cop is scum is they both cry foul. So today why not pursue other scum, unless you think the are scum together

[drmyshottyizsik]

I rolled gunsmith on episode 3 and was lynched day 1 because my flavor didn't make sense.
I really don't want to be lynched day 1 again as an investigative because of more bogus...


~Bee

Will you wagon SS with me?

[drmyshottyizsik]

SS why are you so opposed to lynching else where and kiling conf scum tomorrow? Do you think java and wl are both scum? Look if there is only one of the two of them that are scum and we pick wrong today then we will have to wait until tomorrow anyway. Do why not try to find the other scum today and lynch conf scum tomorrow?

[drmyshottyizsik]

If they aren't both town then the role cop is the scum here.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes but do you see mine?
UNVOTE:
If we can find the other scum today we can for sure win tomorrow and on the tiny chance I'm wrong then the next day we will know practically 100%. I likeyou response here, but I stl think we should look elsewhere today and let them figure this out. we are also ignoring the chance they are both town. If they are then by day three we will probably be in 5 man lylo. We don't want that.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes but do you see mine?
UNVOTE:
If we can find the other scum today we can for sure win tomorrow and on the tiny chance I'm wrong then the next day we will know practically 100%. I likeyou response here, but I stl think we should look elsewhere today and let them figure this out. we are also ignoring the chance they are both town. If they are then by day three we will probably be in 5 man lylo. We don't want that.

dude there is "let them figure it out"

this isn't fucking rocket science it is unlikely that there wld be 2 investigatives in micros game. you have a greater chance of hitting town lynching outside the 2 claimed investigatives. java fucking KNOWS that will flip town that is why he is pushing this whole "ohhhhhh mebbe we are both town".

Again what I they are both town? You are awful quick to ignore a scenario that we very quickly end up in lylo day 3

[drmyshottyizsik]

Look before I get on board with this I want everyone to respond to my what if they are both town question. This really scares me.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok so most likely we are at 7:2 right now.

If we assume one of the two of them is scum and we lynch right today, tomorrow we go to 6:1 and we go on our way.
If we assume one of the two of them is scum and we lynch wrong today, tomorrow we go to 5:2, then lynch the other and go to 4:1. This means we are only one mis lynch away from lylo.
If we assume one of the two of them is scum, but they both end up being town, we go to 5:2, then lynch the other and go to 3:2. We are now in lylo with no where to go because we tunneled.
If we assume one of the two of them is scum, but they actually are both scum, we go to 6:1, and then we better hope we can figure it out(this scenario is very unlikely because if they are both scum we have town PRs that are being quiet.

• The only good out come here is if we lynch right today

Now let's look at my idea.

Let's assume one of the two are scum, and remove them both from the equation today.
If we assume one of them is scum, but lynch elsewhere today and hit scum we go to 6:1, and will either hit scum and got o 6:0 or choose wrong and go to 4:1, and then lynch the other and go to 4:0
If we assume one of them is scum, but lynch elsewhere today and hit town we go to 5:2, then lynch scum and start the next day at 4:1. This means we are only one mis lynch away from lylo.
If we assume one of them is scum, but lynch elsewhere today and hit town we go to 5:2, then lynch wrong we go to 3:2 lylo with con scum, and go to 2:1 lylo, much better than the 3:2 lylo with no conf scum.
If we assume one of them is scum, but they are both town, and lynch elsewhere today and hit scum, we go to 6:1 with two confirmed town.
If we assume one of them is scum, but they are both town and lynch elsewhere today and hit town, we go to 5:2 with two confirmed town.


I just see lynching else where as mathematically better than picking one today.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty trying to play the game with maths doesn't read well to me. Just noise, in my opinion.

Math is just noise? I just worked out all of the scenarios so we know what we are doing. My only point is if we are doing this we better be damn sure about what we are doing.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yeah, it's just noise. Do you think Java is scum?

I'm not sure, that is what scares me about this. The fact that you are so quick to ignore this and rush this lynch is just scummy as hell.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Talking about the maths of lynching in a micro game is noise. The mathematics are skewed by how players interact. Who would you rather vote right now? Because at the moment it almost seems like you're saying 'anybody but them'.

And if you would read the "noise" you would see why! Honestly with your last few post, and the fact that you seem scared of this not going through, I would vote you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Lol at Cakez calling Mav an easy scumread and then scumreading java.

Java is town, WL is scum. Java not trying to scumhunt at L-1 before claiming IS towny, S_S. Again, you're tunneled into your own java read. Scum!java would have

every incentive

to fake scumhunt,

especially

if he thought he was gonna be CC'd on an investigative claim.

GL what do you think of lynching elsewhere today?

[drmyshottyizsik]

1v1'ing potentially two town power roles on D1 is dumb as fuck!

We can allow both of them to use their abilities then report results the next day. If we lynch them and they flip town, we have a result to use and work with. Lynching them on D1 is beyond stupid.

thank you!
and ok mav you want a vote?
VOTE: mav

[drmyshottyizsik]

Good lord, I'm starting to think mollie and mav are partners.
Also
mollie and indie? like a 3rd party?!

Are you seriously implying that it is more likely for a micro to have 2 scum, 1 3rd partys, and 6 town, then there being a town cop and a town role cop?!?!?!?

p-edit, sooo mollie BBT asks if you are ignoring him and you quote your self talking to ME and said NUH UH

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Javajoe24

now java is at L1

Why are you ignoring me?

[drmyshottyizsik]

You definitely avoided my question.

no I didn't

but you are definitely avoiding mine!

You are still ignoring me! I even bolded it for you!

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Javajoe24

now java is at L1

Why are you ignoring me?

because I think that you are town but not very good. I was bristling that gl called yo a VI cos I thought with your join date you cldn't be but holy fuck.

I feel like it wld only lead to be melting down out of sheer frustration trying to reason with you when you are incapable of having a meaningful well thought out conversation.

I already told you, I get your points. In fact you are the one who is reusing to discus my option! You are accusing me of exactly what you are doing!
VOTE: mollie
you are scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

PRs in Radjas Games:
WD E1: Tracker, 1-Shot Cop, 1 Shot Neighborizer
Poke E2: Odd Night Cop, Thundershocker
WD E4: Cop, Double Voted, Doctor
Poke E3/4: BP, Tracker, 1 shot Vig
WD E3: Gunsmith, Watcher, and a neighborhood
WD E2: vig, watcher
Poke E1: 2 cheerleaders, a professor, and an innocent child

Now read those and tell me again that radja wouldn't have a town role cop and a town cop.

p-edit
pick a numer:*
2+4*7 = ?

[drmyshottyizsik]

PRs in Radjas Games:
WD E1: Tracker, 1-Shot Cop, 1 Shot Neighborizer
Poke E2: Odd Night Cop, Thundershocker
WD E4: Cop, Double Voted, Doctor
Poke E3/4: BP, Tracker, 1 shot Vig
WD E3: Gunsmith, Watcher, and a neighborhood
WD E2: vig, watcher
Poke E1: 2 cheerleaders, a professor, and an innocent child

Now read those and tell me again that radja wouldn't have a town role cop and a town cop.

p-edit
pick a numer:*
2+4*7 = ?

30

and only in the first game were there 2 investagives.

I mean if you are all for lynching outside of wl/java which is very poor play and objectively dumb the only 1 I might compromise on wld be you so

Me? Now I'm laughing. You aren't going to intimidating me into lynching one of those two today. God you are scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Javajoe24

now java is at L1

Why are you ignoring me?

because I think that you are town but not very good. I was bristling that gl called yo a VI cos I thought with your join date you cldn't be but holy fuck.

I feel like it wld only lead to be melting down out of sheer frustration trying to reason with you when you are incapable of having a meaningful well thought out conversation.

I already told you, I get your points. In fact you are the one who is reusing to discus my option! You are accusing me of exactly what you are doing!
VOTE: mollie
you are scum

First SS why are yo defending mollie while mollie won't even defend themselves?
Second you said NO here, and said that just because someone disagrees doesn't make them scum, which at face value is correct. However mollie isn't goving me a different view point, in fact that is what I am doing, rather mollie is refusing to even discuss the possibility.

As for me relying to much on math, I am not relying on it. I just think it should be taken into account. Ignoring it and saying "well scum hunting and interactions effects stuff" is like saying the we can't use physics equations to help figure out real world problems because there is wind resistance and differentiating gravity so we may as well just ignore physics all together!

[drmyshottyizsik]

The probabilities and possibilities are all I want to talk about! It is only BAD because you won't look into any other possibility other than the one you are dead set on!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Scum is on my wagon for sure, therefore

VOTE: maverick

Would vote Mollie but she has soft claimed protective and I think lynching a PR day 1 is a bad idea.

Fine but if you and WL turn out to both be town tonight we go after mollie tomorrow.
VOTE: mav

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't think SS gets it

[drmyshottyizsik]

already have a mathematics degree

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also mav. If you're accusing shotty of buddying then that means you think java is town? Unless you're using the term incorrectly? Explain your point in 493

Someone's eager to jump to conclusions regarding my opinion. I happen to to scumread shotty to an extent. Lesser than Java, but it just looks to me like 'oh, that's the play we're going with' and I'm surprised more people aren't alarmed by it.

Way to parrot what S_S said, which still never made any sense to begin with.

Do you understand what buddying is? Buddying refers to when scum sucks up to a town player to make the town player feel like their opinion is right and that scum is also town.

Therefore, shotty can only be buddying if java is town. Scum can't buddy scum, that's not a valid use of the phrase.

So it's completely inconsistent to have your vote on someone and then also say another player is buddying them. Java and shotty may both be scum, but in that case whatever shotty was doing wasn't buddying. If you're saying shotty is buddying, then your vote should absolutely not be on java.

Your defensive reaction to my question was bad, and I still don't understand your position. So do you think shotty and java are scumbuddies?

So pretty much entire post was dedicated to defining a piece of terminology?

Okay. *Yawn*

And yes, I'd have shotty and Java pegged as potential partners based on their interactions and the fact I think they're both scum.

It's not defining a piece of terminology, it is pointing out a flaw in your logic, or proof you are speaking from a place of ignorance. You threw out a buzz work with out thinking it through, that is scummy

[drmyshottyizsik]

I want to lynch java tomorrow possibly, pending results of the two investigating one another. You are making it seem as if I am calling him town. I am simply giving him the chance to prove that he is. Again, and I don't know how many times I can say this. If they are both town. We hit 5 man lylo on day 3, why isn't this concerning to you?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I want to lynch java tomorrow possibly, pending results of the two investigating one another. You are making it seem as if I am calling him town. I am simply giving him the chance to prove that he is. Again, and I don't know how many times I can say this. If they are both town. We hit 5 man lylo on day 3, why isn't this concerning to you?

Because I don't think they're both town, and deciding on when we reach LYLO should never be a factor in anybody's mind if they have faith in their scumreads. I believe Java is scum, my vote is on him, when we lynch him and he flips we shan't be closer to LYLO. If my scumread is wrong then fair cop, I re-read and I re-evaluate the game. However until that point my vote stays where I think it is most likely to hit scum.

What do you think of WL, Shotty?

And this is where you need to stop ignoring math!
What percentage would you give to one of them being scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

If it were completely random, 50%.

But it's not completely random, everyone plays differently, the fact that some roles have more power than others and more information than others and the human element is not randomised in a RNG which skews the math. Stop playing the countdown numbers round and start playing mafia.

So you are so confident in your reads that you are willing o risk a 50/50 shot at 5 man lylo?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yeah, pretty much. Even if it were completely random (which it's not, as you managed to ignore) I'd be happy with that.

Given that I have the benefit of scumreads, I'm even happier with it. I'm fairly certain that one of WL and Java is scum. I'm pretty sold on Java, but if that were to flip town (it won't) I'd be up for lynching WL or you tommorow.

Stop. Playing. The. Numbers. Game.

You just said even if it were random you would be ok with a coin flip to see if we end up in 5 man lylo.... Also your overconfidence scares me

[drmyshottyizsik]

Are you voting me based on the numbers?

I'm voting you for your attitude toward them, your over confidence, and your lack of reasoning when it comes to hw quickly we may be doomed.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mav I'm not asking you to play a numbers game. I am asking you to maybe consider not being such a god damn idiot! So if someone isn't voting you based off of numbers then they can't call your attention to fact? In the amount of time you have spent trying to argue about even evaluating possibilities and avoid this we could have already discussed it and moved on with a consensus, but no you are way over confident. Also don't put AtE in this, no one is being condescending, this game is not a safe space and will get heated, if you "can't handle it" go let your heart bleed elsewhere.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Where the hell did this numbers discussion come from?

I just posted our possibilities and pointed out how quickly we could end up in 5 man lylo if the are both town. Considering radjas past games it's not all that unlikely.

[drmyshottyizsik]

It wasn't much of a dog pile hw many votes 2 or 3? I'm to drunk to read right now.

p-edit,

ss

I'm listening, what's this case on GL?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok we have two days. Mav isn't taking off, either because he is scum, or because scum is stuck on this javajoe bull shit. At this point we are running out of time and I don't want a NL

will hammer if we get within 4 hours of deadline

[drmyshottyizsik]

And not your direct CCer?

*facepalm*, like I said if we end up in a 5 man lylo I swear to god...

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mav there you go again being scummy. You say I intend to hammer, but you are taking that completely out of context. I said I would hammer sometime within the last 4 hours to avoid defaulting to a no lynch.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm hoping he is scum, and yes I do have a scum read on him for the most part, but I do not see the benefit in not waiting until tomorrow to find out for sure.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Forced? I could hammer right now and end this all, but I'm not I'm choosing to use our time to try and do something productive, but you have halted this game with your stubbornness

[drmyshottyizsik]

We still haven't moved past this same subject and you are effectively wasting what little time we have left

[drmyshottyizsik]

My vote is where I'm happy today, I'm now focusing on who I want to lynch tommorow. How exactly is that wasting time?

It's the definition of lining up lynches

[drmyshottyizsik]

Fine I may be tunneling you because you were to most vocal in disagreement,
UNVOTE:
Intent to hammer java, let's get some info this is driving me crazy.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Going to be limited most of today, and working the part of Monday that is before dead line

with that being said I intend to hammer in the next 3 hours before I leave for church. If there are any last minutes things anyone wishes to talk about do so now

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: java
I'm not going to be on again before the dead line other to emergency mod some games, let's see what java is.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@ Mollie, we were at deadline and I'm limited, it's a simple as that. I didn't want a NL.

[drmyshottyizsik]

IF scum!java

town to scum:
wl
mollie
gl
cakes
bbt
mav
ss

ELSE IF town!java
town to scum:
cakes
ss
mollie
bbt
mav
gl
wl

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm thinking GL for a buddy currently though

god sometimes it's like I'm just playing a different game than everyone else

I promise you I am not scumbuddies with java and even I were, there's no chance I'd ever play this way

ftr I agree java not giving any reads before lynch makes him more likely scum

You've been hard defending him for a while.
It should be obvious why I'd think you're scum if he flipped scum.

I think he looks much worse is java flips town. Like scum scared to be on the wrong wagon.

[drmyshottyizsik]

vote mollie

shouldn't be alive.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Did you just role fish?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mollie isn't adding up

[drmyshottyizsik]

mollie claiming isn't role fishing, say well I haven't heard any cc's to protect role yet so I'm conf town though sure fucking is

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: WL
ok caught up, Look I have to say GL is right about one thing even a cop/body guard combo would be a fairly combo.

I believe mollies claim over WLs for sure, and from what I can see scum!WLs best move here is to fake a guilty and live one more day but ensure his partner gets to lylo.

[drmyshottyizsik]

see this is why we should have let them check each other and lynched elsewhere yesterday! Now we have no way of anyone backing up anyone else's story, we have two dead town and we are looking at probably a 50/50 shot at lylo tomorrow. We are between a rock and a hard place here. Also why is math scummy, I'm still now getting this. I am, to a large extent, a mathematician. I tutor calculus, and right programming algorithms, my first thought usually is math, btw math helps a lot with games and possible role especially if you assume EV between at least 40/60 to 60/40. I'm not saying it is sure fire but most mods want balance, and math helps us draw lines to be able to fill in the sketch.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Lol no he dies tomorrow, look at my reads list.

ELSE IF town!java
town to scum:
cakes
ss
mollie
bbt
mav
gl
wl

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think if anyone is GLs partner it is WL. Look at how GL stayed tunneled on WL the whole time. WL fucked up and GL tried to bus, hard and alone all day.

[drmyshottyizsik]

............

you're saying you think this game could have included a rolecop, a cop and a tracker?

is it any less likely than cop role cop bg, or role cope bg tracker? One of the three is scum. I think it is most likely wl. if not then it is most likely gl.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm Dr. Edwin Jenner, Town Suicidal PGO. If someone targets my they die, if that person was town I also kill myself. I may be the balance to this over PR'd town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

God that would be a swingy role.
Cakez should claim, although he basically already claimed VT.

Another reason I felt more comfortable trying to have two claimed pr's shoot each other instead of having one shoot randomly. I was very concerned we would have
7:2
lynch pr day 1
6:2
scum nk
other pr hits me
we both die
3:2 - day two 5 man lylo.

So I'm sorry for pushing a lynch else where so hard and trying to use math to kind of steer the lynch that way, but I had a truly bad feeling about my role. I didn't believe the two town pr thing, but I figured it was a way to get a confirmed scum day 2 and hopefully avoid a 5 man lylo day two, as you said this role is swingy. I thought no way with my role there would be this many town prs, I figured one other town pr for sure. But in light of all of the PR claims I'm starting to think the opposite, that my role is here to balance out a lot of town prs. Now one of WL and GL seemingly is scum, but WL brought up a framer earlier. I'm started to think that may not be impossible. Idk, I'm 99% sure one of the two of them is scum. I just need to re read.
UNVOTE:

p-edit,
no don't flip tables, they didn't do anything!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well maybe if our role cop wasn't dead... JK he couldn't have confirmed me anyway without both of us dying. I mean I don't know what to tell you, but that's my character.

Mod: Is each game actually set in one episode?

[drmyshottyizsik]

also it's been a long time since I've watched season 1, and I definitely don't remember cast by episode, however
http://www.tv.com/shows/the-walking-dea ... 9704/cast/
^^they do, and I definitely was in episode 5.

p-edit,
because I thought I was being read as fairly town. I still wasn't convinced of mollie or wl. I thought scum!mollie especially would take a shot at me, and since mollie soft claimed a protection role I really wasn't afraid of town!mollie targeting me. I also didn't think town!WL would target me, there were too many other people who would be better to check. I'm not sure scum!wl would have targeted me, but I'm not sure, never the less I felt I has a lot more to gain by not claiming, and maybe taking down scum in the night, then claiming and taking that completely off the table, or having a town pr test me and now we are screwed.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty, claim.

Also yes tracker + cop would be ridiculous. Besides GL's whole premise for his fakeclaim was that those two roles couldn't coexist.

neither of what I said had a cop and a tracker...
I said is it more like to have: cop,role cop, bg or role cop, tracker, bg. Also factor in my role. I really am not sure at this point. Honestly I could see WL and GL both being scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Lol mafia pgo? if the goon dies that renders 2/3 of town prs useless

[drmyshottyizsik]

because they wouldn't be able to use their abilities to find scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

No it's fact, an innocent result or a confirmed town is so much less useful tan a conf scum also. Scum PGO is over powered in so many ways. If I were a scum PGO I would have claimed yesterday as something else to try and draw actions. I mean seriously.

[drmyshottyizsik]

well I'm not

[drmyshottyizsik]

I doubt he is a scum pgo I think it likely he is a goon and gl is a scum tracker

Then why wouldn't I claim VT? I've already given motivation for my actions and they explain my behavior yesterday and today. believe me and listen to reason.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I doubt he is a scum pgo I think it likely he is a goon and gl is a scum tracker

Then why wouldn't I claim VT? I've already given motivation for my actions and they explain my behavior yesterday and today. believe me and listen to reason.

/wifom

No you started the WIFOM, I just gave an alternate explanation to your "theory". My point is that I'm not going to sit here and fill the thread with WIFOM, I've given my role and reasons, there is nothing more I can do that will benefit town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mollie you pushed fairly well on WL yesterday in the 1v1, what makes you now think they're town?

Pretty strange how the story went from lynch WL if Java is town to now let's believe everything that WL said, even though java flipped town, huh?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm still very confused on a few peoples complete 180 of their WL reads.

[drmyshottyizsik]

My point is that if we think WL is scum going into day 2 and he already claimed cop, what else would scum fake claiming cop do except fake a guilty, probably on someone that people already felt was scummy. Also I think it is much more likely that we have a town tracker than a than cop give everything else.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: ss
starting to think, ss and wl scum team.
SS you just votes gl less than a page ago and now you are lining up lynches on the presumption he is town? You are not.adding up at all

[drmyshottyizsik]

In that post there was no if when you said

We lynch GL. He flips town. You probably die tonight.

Notice you speculated about mollies death but not about gl being town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

My point it subconsciously you typed that with no if. Freudian slip my good sir.

[drmyshottyizsik]

laugh it off, but I'm serious.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm not sure how your "lol" is also serious but ok.

[drmyshottyizsik]

But why'd you votepark if you didn't want to lynch him?

And do you support the plan then? Who is your top pick for GL's partner?

SS you are just all over the place, a page ago you were speaking as if you know GL was town, I called you out, now you are speaking as if you know he is scum... Either way, yo know something.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I did want to lynch him....
What plan?
Currently Shotty

Plan:
Lynch GL
If he flips scum then lynch you followed by shotty
If he flips town then lynch WL followed by either you or shotty, pending reevaluation

SS why should you not be put into the possible scum ring?

p-edit,
me too

[drmyshottyizsik]

SS I'm asking you right now, give me an answer.

p-edit,
I'm still not sure you dumb asses aren't going to just lynch me today.

This entire game a lot of you have been incredibly one tracked in your mind set, and then switched to a completely different singular track despite the previous track you were on. No one was willing to concider my idea or insight yesterday and now we have our selves in a shitty situation, get above your big heads and consider all possibilities here.

[drmyshottyizsik]

lol I would have won in 5 pages if I were a jester

[drmyshottyizsik]

yeah that's my strongest argument against it: you would probably have won by now

No one busses so hard as jester!shotty

[drmyshottyizsik]

Smart stop. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one and Shotty's claim is totally made up.

seriously the coaching!
I swear we have a ss wl scum team

VOTE: wl

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: guiltylion
we are absolutely lynching WL if this flips town tho

done, and then we are lynching SS when WL flips scum.
VOTE: gl

[drmyshottyizsik]

if gl townflips and WL scumflips then yes SS goes into the scum pile
let's see this flip first though

fair enough. I don't see how you are coming off as scummy though.

[drmyshottyizsik]

you're playing just like in musical mafia

[drmyshottyizsik]

Idk, unless scum is mav or mollie, I think it has to be SS.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Lynch Shotty once he flips scum please.
Ignore his trolling.
He hammered a town read over his scum read without giving intent or waiting for other people's input.

~Bee

A town read?

Lol no he dies tomorrow, look at my reads list.

ELSE IF town!java
town to scum:
cakes
ss
mollie
bbt
mav
gl
wl

I think if anyone is GLs partner it is WL. Look at how GL stayed tunneled on WL the whole time. WL fucked up and GL tried to bus, hard and alone all day.

WL you are starting to become a liar. I mean town read?

[drmyshottyizsik]

You where pushing a SS/WL scum team very recently so I assumed everyone else must have been town my bad.
I don't think any town is bad enough to not lynch you though. The PGO claim is so fake...

~Bee

It's not.

[drmyshottyizsik]

*taps fingers*

*tap dances*

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm not really concerned by you being unable to read me, Shotty is the last scum anyway and will be lynched tomorrow.

You certainty level of GL has risen a lot since no new information has been provided

[drmyshottyizsik]

If he had acted like he was town post hammer then maybe, yes
I take reactions post hammer fairly seriously

any proof of this?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Proof of what?

That you always take post flip reactions really seriously.

[drmyshottyizsik]

How am I supposed to prove that?
I never troll about my role after I get hammered.

*facepalm* you're talking out of your ass cakez.
I want proof that you take OTHER PEOPLE's reactions post hammer very seriously. Like you just said you did.

[drmyshottyizsik]

What? Because I take post-hammer reactions seriously, I don't troll post-hammer, so I thought that could be considered "proof".

How is you not trolling proof of other games in which you have taken other people reactions and actions post hammer proof?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Way to be pedantic, shotty.

sigh brb have to go to dictionary.com

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh no I'm not! If cakez is basing his read on GL and others because he

I take reactions post hammer fairly seriously

Then it's not a minute detail. It is something I would like precedent on.

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh no I'm not! If cakez is basing his read on GL and others because he

I take reactions post hammer fairly seriously

Then it's not a minute detail. It is something I would like precedent on.

why

Because when someone says I'm doing x because when people do y I do x. I'd like examples of people doing y and person doing x. It's really not a big deal cake not saying hey look I did this here too is what is making this into something.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think you are reaching

it looks like you are trying to make something out of nothing. you are not going to lynch cake boy while I am alive in this game.

I'm reaching, I'm not saying lynch cakez, I'm asking for one link to support claim

[drmyshottyizsik]

wl if you target me tonight town loses it's as simple as that. If you think I'm scum there is no need to target your scum read. Again if you are town we will lose

[drmyshottyizsik]

Did we not? Lol

Radja: I'm pretty sure GL is lynched

[drmyshottyizsik]

If you target me tonight we 100% will AT BEST be in 3 man lylo. If GL is town and you target me it is 100% a loss.

[drmyshottyizsik]

plus scum kills someone else too, come on seriously. You are telling scum to not both killing the cop because they are just going to kill two members of the town tonight

[drmyshottyizsik]

We have no indication of a third party at least not one with a kill. WL is cleared with that flip unless he just performed the best bus ever. I still don't like that mollie is alive. I really don't know were to start today. I think rather than a 3p it is more likely scum have a traitor, but I have a hard time seeing either unless 3p is a survivor like I was last game, but radja did that last game. I want to hear from WL, he obviously didn't target me so unless he targeted mav, we should have some good info today.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also with night after night of mollie not dying, why are we not at least considering mollie is scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Shotty

Shotty is apparently not town. We were also not shot...therefore, I guess someone was not a paranoid gun owner.

~Suzune

Bullshit!
VOTE: WL
Good game. WL bussed GL and faked a guilty to gain town cred.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: shotty
JESTER!

[drmyshottyizsik]

GG indeed.
Mollie is probably last scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well I won my win condition so have fun guys. 2 walking deads in a row I won as a 3p

[drmyshottyizsik]

I told you not to waste your cop on me last night. Tried to crumb a bit to help town. Seriously GL and I acted nothing like I act with my scum partners. I just gave you what you wanted to see and blam!

[drmyshottyizsik]

TWILIGHT TROLLING!
I tried to draw the lynch yesterday with that stupid claim but no one bit.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I had to make sure I wasn't NK'd, that's what that claim did. Also I figured WL would be getting mafia/not mafia results, so a WL investigation, I thought, would say I was not mafia and then I would have lost.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I win if I'm lynched. Who ever hammers me is BP tonight. I hammered myself to fuck town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't get BP I just don't let town have it. Hell mollie throw a vote on me if you don't think I can self vote.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well it's twilight so either you think it's GG and I'm scum or you are just but hurt that scum will probably win this and you are an overly aggressive tunneling fool.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Would you have hammered me SS?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yeah. I wouldn't have expected you to be jester after you survived day 1.

Although the fact that WL's results came in the form of town/not town definitely tipped me off to a 3p.

Ya that's weird though. I figured to counter me it would be mafia/not mafia. So I would be fake confed town.

p-edit well tomorrow is lylo

[drmyshottyizsik]

twi
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ttroll
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[drmyshottyizsik]

lol mollie read the scum pt, we weren't touching you.
also I can't believe we didn't have a traitor.
I was trying so hard to get lynched over gl. I figured a framer flip would let us maybe get gl off the hook.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I do too, and I did say that! Over and over :p, but by then it was too late. All I did was ensure my lynch the next day
Very well played town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I claimed jester in hopes of a traitor.