Micro 633: Marvel Dual Universes uPick - Game over!

[Xkfyu]

Time to make a clumsy vote...

VOTE: Clumsy

(See what I did there?)

[Xkfyu]

Lame....

You are.

[Xkfyu]

Time to make a clumsy vote...

VOTE: Clumsy

(See what I did there?)

VOTE: XKfyu

Not

again

HAHA!!

[Xkfyu]

I was hoping you would catch that.

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: McMenno

lolok

UNVOTE: Clumsy

VOTE: McMenno

[Xkfyu]

Seems legit to me.

[Xkfyu]

You should join in.

[Xkfyu]

One thing we didn't do last time that we probably should've done a lot more of was take advantage of flipped town's cross-earth reads.

Other than that, play it straight.

Pretty much this.

[Xkfyu]

All of this "The best way to find scum is to find differences in people's play between the two Earths" talk is nonsense.

[Xkfyu]

Seems inherently worse than playing two micros simultaneously that give you plenty of information about each other

My point on that matter is that players will confuse their reads accross the earths. For example I will townread you for things you do on this earth and then associate that with Earth 2. It makes everything more complex. No lynching can be good if you don't have a good scumread. I am just telling you all, a compromise lynch at the end of the day isn't the best.

And day 1s meta as of late, is to do a horrible compromise lynch and the success rate on lynching scum is very low for that.

You should keep better notes, or pay closer attention then. No Lynching is not the appropriate response to resolve this issue. Better scum hunting, and working together is.

I'm pretty sure that no one had this problem last game, and if they did, it wasn't a serious issue.

[Xkfyu]

You should keep better notes

You keep notes?

Quite a bit actually. I have a fairly elaborate spreadsheet setup for every game that I play.

[Xkfyu]

Ok

UNVOTE: McMenno

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

[Xkfyu]

All of this "The best way to find scum is to find differences in people's play between the two Earths" talk is nonsense.

Wanna back that up with anything at all? It is additional information on top of a non-bastard mafia game. how is it not good info?

How many times has your own play varied from day to day, inside the same game?

If you're like the majority of people, probably a significant number of times.

How many times did your alignment change during those games?

Probably none.

If changes in play from day to day doesn't indicate an alignment change, why does changes in play from game to game indicate an alignment change?

[Xkfyu]

What you are sayin is equivalent to "why scum hunt at all?"

That's not at all what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is more equivalent to "don't use meta to scum hunt at all."

[Xkfyu]

It's three pages in, barely anyone has posted, and we are arguing about theory because of what is most likely a semantic misunderstanding.

Ok. That seems like exactly what's happened.

[Xkfyu]

That's just weird.

[Xkfyu]

V/LA for the weekend

[Xkfyu]

if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

McMenno is more likely town for his response to the reaction wagon.

Why is that? I don't see it.

He wasn't fazed at all by it. It's sarcastic, but sarcasm that seems to be from town rather than mafia.

Stop Mcmemer, you've violated the law!

But yeah, weird.

I hate this part of the game. I never have any idea of what to do.

???

I would say start a wagon on this shit but it's ircher

hmmmmmmmm

Why does the fact that it's Ircher change your mind?

[Xkfyu]

Let's get some wagons goin'!

VOTE: ircher

I like it.

UNVOTE: TellTaleHeart

VOTE: Ircher

[Xkfyu]

So you think TTH is town because of the dialog with Alabaska, but not Alabaska? What's the reason behind it?

Don't like this post.

Town right now:
TTH
Mcmenno

Leaning Town:
Ircher

Null:
Alabaska

Scum:
Clumsy
Lilith

So 2 people I have no thoughts even as a null.
Interesting.

Where am I?

[Xkfyu]

Alabaska --> Null leaning Town --> ISO is 100% RVS/Theory; while not a bad thing necessarily, Alabaska doesn't seem to necessarily be trying to scumhunt either. I'm thinking town though cuz of the depth of responses, but it's hard to tell atm.

This feels awkward and clunky. Plus, I feel like the town read is, not only unwarranted, but should have been a scum read.

[Xkfyu]

Also Xky feels slouching this game, he doesn't feel like his normal self to me. I would normally call that scummy, but I think its just circumstances and not anything alignment indicative.

Oh, there I am.

[Xkfyu]

Currently townreading Clumsy and scumreading Ircher's 106 and 107. Overly serious reaction to what is quite obviously a joke by Mcmenno. Also continues to townread Mcmenno afterwards. Usually if I think someone is attacking me for no reason I'd start scumreading or at least pushing them.

Fair enough about reactions, but the other part....

So you are saying that just cuz someone attacks you with poor reasoning means you should immediately OMGUS? The answer is no; we don't deal in absolutes. If it truly were a joke, McMenno wouldn't continue to push it; anyway, intent is the important part, not necessarily the reasoning, and I find McMenno's intent to be town-motivated.

Again, clumsy reasoning from Ircher. I don't like it.

[Xkfyu]

one second, did I not check with this game for 2 days

guess I did

yes ircher needs rope still

Could you atleast post your case before continuing in flinging accusations at me; thanks.

it's all in the tone yo

why are you voting a townread is the real question here

could also be persuaded to vote lilith btw

Talk to me about Lilith. What don't you like about her?

[Xkfyu]

Theres I believe 2 other people who said they didn't like Lilith and or Clumsy. Yet I am the only one voting either of them.

Instead you have Alabaska wagon that is pretty horrible imo, since I don't think pressuring him will give us much info.
And ircher which is a bad wagon, and has my number one scumread on it.

This should change.

Ever consider that you're the one who is wrong?

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[Xkfyu]

Thanks for spewing Albaska and Ircher as town.

[Xkfyu]

I sincerely appreciate the low postcount. I plan on going hard at some point during the workday today

Scum be warned

I feel like I just wanna policy lynch you for playing me so hard in The Woodshed...

[Xkfyu]

I always consider that as a possibility. Have you played with me?
Yes, and you have hydraed with me.

Lol indeed.

Nice vote.
Want to give a reason?

Not really. I was mostly looking for reactions. I'll catch up and see if I feel like moving my vote.

[Xkfyu]

I sincerely appreciate the low postcount. I plan on going hard at some point during the workday today

Scum be warned

I feel like I just wanna policy lynch you for playing me so hard in The Woodshed...

I love when a game finishes and I just start one with someone else. Because I feel like I have a really good feel for their play and am able to tell if it feels the same or different from what I just experienced. My favorite is playing with someone who was just town and now their scum bc I can confidently drive their lynch d1. It's called getting Vedith'd.

It's relieving for me this game, because I should be an easy town read for you. Unless your scum, but in that case I highly suggest choosing to TMI/fakeread me as town.

I feel like I'll have an easy time reading you obviously.

You were an easy town read for me last game....but you were scum.

[Xkfyu]

You should keep better notes

You keep notes?

Quite a bit actually. I have a fairly elaborate spreadsheet setup for every game that I play.

@xkfyu

how do they differ when you're town vs when you're mafia? ooc

Very little, actually. I have a few different tabs on each sheet where I track various things. The only real difference is in the actual notes that I take. They are actually geared towards different goals, depending on my alignment.

What is "ooc?"

[Xkfyu]

He is shit posting in the way that I kind of expect from him as town if I am going to be honest.
Though I would like more content form him.

You know, if we could, as a site, agree to lynch all shit posters immediately in games, people would eventually stop shit posting.

That would be nice.

[Xkfyu]

He is shit posting in the way that I kind of expect from him as town if I am going to be honest.
Though I would like more content form him.

You know, if we could, as a site, agree to lynch all shit posters immediately in games, people would eventually stop shit posting.

That would be nice.

I mean if you want to policy lynch anyone who doesn't fill pages upon pages with 500-word essays about how punctuation indicates scumminess for "shitposting", then go right ahead, but it isn't going to help you

oh, and as I always say, put your vote where your voice is

:^)

I would, except for the fact that that wasn't a jab at you necessarily. From my limited experience with you, as far as shit posters go, I'd say you're pretty mild.

[Xkfyu]

1. 183 --> Unexplained vote hop from Xk.
2. 192 --> Disagree with the observation concerning McMenno's wagon --> I read it as town cuz I'd expect scum to show some slight paranoia. Your reasoning however is backable and valid. I don't see how pointing out a contradiction is a survivalistic mindset though.
3. 194 --> I disagree with the evaluation of my post 10 as I don't see how one could find it as anything but null. Also didn't really have a huge problem with Fire's entrance as setup spec to often dominates the beginning of games in my experience.
4. 199 --> Disagree about reaction wagons; I feel scum can just as easily push them (and use them as a valid excuse to wagon hop/fake -scumhunt) if not better than town. I like the other comments though not concerning McMenno.
5. 202 --> I never really followed up cuz I felt it wasn't worth pursuing; McMenno seemed to be heavy in confirmation bias so the lack of a response felt to me like he was (and indeed he is) deathtunneling me. Perhaps I should've persisted, but I felt it would've been counter-productive to the game state. (It was an exaggeration after all)
6. 215 --> I agree with Fire's sentiment; while the case is there with some evidence, I think you aren't using meta correctly.... Sometimes, it seems you disregard meta too much; other times, it seems you are using meta too much to push a scumread.

I dislike Panther's push of a pre-flip association between Fire & McMenno and voting the lesser of his scumreads, but I can follow the reasoning for that.
Other than that and my general disagreement with his perspective, I find Panther to have a high chance of being town.

As I was reading this post, I was fully expecting to get to the end and read that you were scum reading Panther, or at least me or McMenno. But after all that, the only conclusion that you draw is that Panther is highly likely to be town?

I don't feel like the conclusion follows from the premises.

1. 183 --> Unexplained vote hop from Xk.
2. 192 --> Disagree with the observation concerning McMenno's wagon --> I read it as town cuz I'd expect scum to show some slight paranoia. Your reasoning however is backable and valid. I don't see how pointing out a contradiction is a survivalistic mindset though.
3. 194 --> I disagree with the evaluation of my post 10 as I don't see how one could find it as anything but null. Also didn't really have a huge problem with Fire's entrance as setup spec to often dominates the beginning of games in my experience.
4. 199 --> Disagree about reaction wagons; I feel scum can just as easily push them (and use them as a valid excuse to wagon hop/fake -scumhunt) if not better than town. I like the other comments though not concerning McMenno.
5. 202 --> I never really followed up cuz I felt it wasn't worth pursuing; McMenno seemed to be heavy in confirmation bias so the lack of a response felt to me like he was (and indeed he is) deathtunneling me. Perhaps I should've persisted, but I felt it would've been counter-productive to the game state. (It was an exaggeration after all)
6. 215 --> I agree with Fire's sentiment; while the case is there with some evidence, I think you aren't using meta correctly.... Sometimes, it seems you disregard meta too much; other times, it seems you are using meta too much to push a scumread.

I dislike Panther's push of a pre-flip association between Fire & McMenno and voting the lesser of his scumreads, but I can follow the reasoning for that.
Other than that and my general disagreement with his perspective, I find Panther to have a high chance of being town.

As I was reading this post, I was fully expecting to get to the end and read that you were scum reading Panther, or at least me or McMenno. But after all that, the only conclusion that you draw is that Panther is highly likely to be town?

I'm not really buying that.

UNVOTE: Fire Assassin

VOTE: Ircher

[Xkfyu]

Also Xk you posted the same thing twice?

Not exactly though, right?

[Xkfyu]

Also Xk you posted the same thing twice?

Not exactly though, right?

What happened there?

Candid explanation s'il vous plait

(Ooc means out of curiosity. Sorry I am sometimes in modes where I use a ton of acronyms and not sure what dictates when those times are.)

I type all of my posts in Notepad++, and then copy/paste them into the reply box to use the formatting/vote/etc buttons. I copied over my post, then I changed the wording, and I apparently didn't Ctrl+A before pasting it again.

[Xkfyu]

Lol the quote and my two paragraphs were what was in my text editor. The top half was the first iteration. Then I changed the second paragraph and copied it all again for the second half.

[Xkfyu]

@Mod: V/LA for the weekend.

[Xkfyu]

Motivation, my friend, motivation is key.

Can you elaborate on that?

[Xkfyu]

Lynch Lilith and move onto day 2 pls?
Or Clumsy.

I am fine with either, I am fairly certain at least one is scum.

I'm not lynching Lilith.

[Xkfyu]

I'm willing to compromise on an FA lynch, I think. Not willing to lynch Clumsy today.

pedit: you're one of those people

I meant come EOD. otherwise we'd be locked into ircher and lilith wagons

ircher is a fairly strong town read for me

vote mcmenno?

I would have totally joined you on the FA wagon...

[Xkfyu]

Panther? Can you please talk about why you are townreading Ircher?

I'd like to hear this as well.

[Xkfyu]

ya take a look at mcmenno iso

not sorting people's alignments.

1) bunch of posts about votes on him
2) talking about ircher then backing off of it when it actually got some traction to vote lilith for some really weak stuff (and has not pushed it or engaged her whatsoever afaict...lilith had to engage)
3) hasn't talked about the majority of the player list

conclusion is scum

Ok, I'm fine with that.

UNVOTE: Ircher

VOTE: McMenno

[Xkfyu]

Where is this coming from?

My willingness to lynch you, and unwillingness to lynch Lilith.

[Xkfyu]

Where is this coming from?

My willingness to lynch you, and unwillingness to lynch Lilith.

Why are you scumreading me and why are you townreading Lilith?

All you've done is call every other wagon that isn't Lilith "bad," when Lilith's wagon is the worst one of all. None of the reasoning that I've seen for voting Lilith stand up to any scrutiny. McMenno doesn't even feel strongly about his case against her. You can tell by the way she had to push him to respond to her responses to his case.

[Xkfyu]

Following McMenno's claim, I think I want to move the wagon to someone else. I'd still rather lynch him over Lilith though, so I'd like to see if anyone is willing to switch to either Ircher or FA.

[Xkfyu]

It's Ircher for me today.

UNVOTE: McMenno

VOTE: Ircher

[Xkfyu]

I'm not willing to lynch a claimed investigative role that will likely be self resolving.

[Xkfyu]

what does watcher do? Tell you the action they took?

Watchers sees who visits their target, but not what actions are performed.

[Xkfyu]

so we're going to lynch someone who won't be here to claim it seems. so apparently claiming anything just saves you from being lynched... in a role madness game...........

Not necessarily. But claiming Watcher, and not being counter claimed, does.

[Xkfyu]

so we're going to lynch someone who won't be here to claim it seems. so apparently claiming anything just saves you from being lynched... in a role madness game...........

Not necessarily. But claiming Watcher, and not being counter claimed, does.

It kind of makes it more unlikely there is a watcher with the fact it's role madness.

I'm not talking about a hard counter claim. A Tracker or a Follower, or some similar soft counter claim would suffice since there it would be highly unlikely that town has more than one of those types of roles.

[Xkfyu]

2-shot watcher seems massively overpowered for this game

but it isn't the best EV lynch. I can't bring myself to nut up and do it I don't think

Why haven't you moved your vote then?

[Xkfyu]

so we're going to lynch someone who won't be here to claim it seems. so apparently claiming anything just saves you from being lynched... in a role madness game...........

Not necessarily. But claiming Watcher, and not being counter claimed, does.

It kind of makes it more unlikely there is a watcher with the fact it's role madness.

I'm not talking about a hard counter claim. A Tracker or a Follower, or some similar soft counter claim would suffice since there it would be highly unlikely that town has more than one of those types of roles.

Not really?
I don't quite agree with this.
Remember camns game of almost all trackers

You aren't really trying to use that game as evidence that there could be two Watcher type roles are you?

[Xkfyu]

I am just saying that you and I have no idea what the setup really looks like, mod said he tried to balance it, but his sense of balance maybe widely different than our own.

I am with you that it should self resolve but I don't think it makes TTH more likely town because no one CC
Also what Lilith said about people not being here.

I'm not claiming that she's town, I'm saying I'm not lynching her.

And the amount of people present is irrelevant. Even if I was the only other one here, if I couldn't counter claim her, I still wouldn't lynch her.

Those who aren't here now will have plenty of time in D2 to counter claim her, if they can.

[Xkfyu]

I suppose I'd be willing to lynch Clumsy as opposed to a No Lynch.

[Xkfyu]

I really think we should lynch Ircher though. All we need is two more votes.

[Xkfyu]

11 minutes

[Xkfyu]

what the hell

VOTE: clumsy

that's the science folks... interesting.....

Explain quickly. I gotta hammer soon.

[Xkfyu]

I'm willing to compromise on an FA lynch, I think. Not willing to lynch Clumsy today.

pedit: you're one of those people

18 hours ago

Yeah well, I don't really wanna lynch him either, but I'm not willing to No Lynch.

[Xkfyu]

Well, there you go.

[Xkfyu]

feels like a mislynch

You don't say.

[Xkfyu]

I am also kind of confused we proceeded directly into night.
I am guessing scum have an ability to skip day that it wanted to use on the onset of the game day?
I don't think theres anything in the rules/setup that indicates that if we lynch right and win a game that the next game starts out at night or goes into night.

It worked exactly like this in the last game too.

Except in the last game, we lynched town in D1, and immediately moved to Earth 2, where the Earth 2 scum (not the Earth 1 scum) killed me. It was all a bit confusing because I think pretty much everyone was expecting the nights to be on the same Earth as the days.

[Xkfyu]

neighbors in micros are often both town

In the last game, one neighbor was scum and one was town.

So, if any of you are neighbors on this Earth, don't assume that you're both town simply because Lilith and I were both town on Earth 1.

[Xkfyu]

I wouldn't exactly call it a "soft"

it might just be that because I am hated I was on the lookout

It was most definitely a soft. I picked up on it immediately, and I don't even have a vote modifier for a role.

[Xkfyu]

So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?

[Xkfyu]

So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?

Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.

The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.

I wasn't talking about in LyLo. I was thinking more along the lines of D1.

Ircher was a double voter, when it takes 5 to lynch (4 for hated). If McMenno is hated, and he's scum, Ircher alone would have controlled half the votes that it would have taken to lynch McMenno.

That would have been very powerful with only a 2-person scum group.

[Xkfyu]

So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?

Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.

The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.

I wasn't talking about in LyLo. I was thinking more along the lines of D1.

Ircher was a double voter, when it takes 5 to lynch (4 for hated). If McMenno is hated, and he's scum, Ircher alone would have controlled half the votes that it would have taken to lynch McMenno.

That would have been very powerful with only a 2-person scum group.

Not really, especially since people who are hated are usually townread for the fact they are hated.
Mechanically it would hurt scum, but since Mcmenno can have various other powerful aspects of his role, for instance lets say he was a 1 Shot Day Vig Hated Mafia, then you wouldn't say "Ohh scum are so weak" you would just think its swingy/weird.

Yeah, "swingy" is a much better word for what I was trying to describe. I don't know. I still think it suggests that McMenno is town.

I'm admittedly not great at setup speculation though, so I should probably just stop.

[Xkfyu]

So what was with you scumreading me in the other other?

Does it really matter at this point?

[Xkfyu]

No, it just seemed odd to me.

I mean, that is why I kept you in my null pile that whole day.

Hence why I always say never try to use meta to read me.

Honestly, I've been on a lot of Benadryl lately and I can't even remember what sparked that scum read.

[Xkfyu]

Panther, I think I'm town reading you again...

Should I be concerned?

[Xkfyu]

I have n other scumreads besides TTH right now.
Will someone else be scummy for me?
I would like to find both scum day 1, I was close on day 1 on earth 1.

[Insert really scummy action here]

[Xkfyu]

Hope that helps.

[Xkfyu]

On a more serious note, I'm kinda in the same boat, except it's Alabaska that I'm scum reading, and not TTH.

I'd be willing to lynch Alabaska right now, except for the fact that I felt exactly the same way about him around this time in Earth 1.

[Xkfyu]

Should I be concerned about Fire's town read on me? I haven't really been doing much yet, work has been kicking my ass (and Overwatch >_>) so I don't know if that read is warranted.

Seems like an odd question to ask.

[Xkfyu]

Suuuuuuure

Need to do something to bring some life back into this game.

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

[Xkfyu]

I do not believe that I am "up" for a tth wagon atm

Oh come one. It'll be fun.

[Xkfyu]

@Mod: I'll be V/LA for the weekend. Be back to full activity levels on Tuesday.

[Xkfyu]

Ok I'm back.

Um...why is Panther the leading wagon right now?

[Xkfyu]

Question: Is there any tactical advantage to scum claiming loved? If so, would it be a bad idea to test for the loved modifier by running them up to the normal lynch amount, with the threat of insta-hanging anyone who hammers after that point the next day? Town would have no reason to claim loved if they weren't, right? I'm not saying that this would just "aha gotcha scum" anything, but it would at least confirm that part (and give us something to do/discuss).

I have considered that. I actually suggested the very same thing in Legends of Zelda (in that game, coincidentally enough, Cakez was the one with the Loved modifier), but no one was interested.

In that game though, there was no one who was Hated, plus I think he claimed it much later in the game. So, there was a lot more doubt surrounding his claim.

Regardless of TTH's alignment, I'm almost certain that she's telling the truth about being Loved so, while I don't see anything necessarily wrong with verifying, I doubt very seriously that it will lead to anything.

[Xkfyu]

Lilith, stop lurking please. You know it makes me want to scum read you.

[Xkfyu]

I'm sorry. Been dealing with some personal stuff I pinky promise I'll get to this tonight.

Sorry. Didn't know you had personal stuff going on.

I'll refrain from trying to read you until you are fully back.

[Xkfyu]

I don't think it will lead to much either, but it's something to discuss while nothing is going on. I do think it's more towny to tell people this early rather than later in the game though.

Like I said, I'm fine with verifying it.

We just have to make sure that whoever casts the would-be hammer vote immediately unvotes so as to avoid an accidental hammer. Then, we wait for either a vote count, or the thread to close.

[Xkfyu]

Um...why is Panther the leading wagon right now?

Why wouldn't/shouldn't he be?

I'm jealous of him. I'm trying to find "townie as shit" things to latch on to and I'm coming up empty.

So, he's the leading wagon because he hasn't been "townie as shit?"

Who has been?

[Xkfyu]

Why wouldn't/shouldn't he be?

I'll refer back to this.
Honestly, I just voted him to even up the wagons and see what everyone else would do.

Why is it such a big deal to you?

Because I'm town reading him and wanted to know why people were voting for him.

[Xkfyu]

So, are we gonna verify TTH's Loved status?

If not, I'm gonna be moving my vote.

[Xkfyu]

that's 3 votes. 5 to lynch. need 2 more to verify loved

basically, if she's lynched she was lying and must be scum. but she doesn't seem too worried.

which means her loved claim is true and it means absolutely nothing with regard to her alignment in this particular game

That's pretty much the gist of it.

[Xkfyu]

xkfyu with slight paranoia he's pocketing me hard

Lol this made me chuckle a bit.

[Xkfyu]

Alright well, obviously TTH is really Loved. No real surprise there, but was still a good idea to check.

[Xkfyu]

Why wouldn't/shouldn't he be?

I'll refer back to this.
Honestly, I just voted him to even up the wagons and see what everyone else would do.

Why is it such a big deal to you?

Because I'm town reading him and wanted to know why people were voting for him.

What does your townread consist of?

Lots of things, really.

The way he came to the conclusion that TTH being Loved doesn't necessarily make her scum, after being convinced that it did, felt incredibly genuine to me.

I like the fact that he says he is never voting for McMenno. I completely agree with this, and see no way that scum have a Hated condition, given the fact that we had a double voter.

While I don't necessarily agree with Panther that Clumsy's idea to check TTH's Loved condition clears Clumsy as town, I do see his point. I also don't think it would be a good idea for scum to "clear" anyone at this point in the game. With six town and 2 scum alive, taking one mislynch completely off the table decreases their chances of a mislynch fairly significantly.

And lastly, Panther and I have been in a couple of games together very recently, and his paranoia about me is something that I completely saw coming as I was writing my posts about town reading him (hence why I said earlier that it made me chuckle).

[Xkfyu]

Can we decide on a lynch at this moment?
I don't have the patience.

I'd be pretty ok with lynching anyone other than McMenno and Panther. I'm fine with adding Clumsy to that list for today as well, but probably only for today.

[Xkfyu]

So how about Alabaska?

I am not willing to lynch myself obviously or Lilith.
Would like to lynch TTH but I think thats unlikely to happen.

VOTE: Alabaska

He's just a good a pick as any.

UNVOTE: TellTaleHeart

VOTE: AlabaskaJ

[Xkfyu]

TTH too but I'm more curious about Xk because I'm having trouble (well, more than usual) sorting him.

I wish now that I hadn't told you in Earth 1 how I picked up on your suspicions of me being genuine as opposed to the fake ones from the previous game.

[Xkfyu]

@Mod: V/LA for the weekend.

[Xkfyu]

FFS.

VOTE: Alabaska

Isn't this the hammer?

[Xkfyu]

Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

[Xkfyu]

I'd say that if either Panther or Clumsy is the Vig, then they should claim, and we can just lynch the other one.

[Xkfyu]

If you read me and alabaska and think I'm the partner you're dumb or scum so go ahead and claim one or the other

I was just completely afk when the wagon became legit. Game was a slog

I claim dumb.

I only looked at the order of votes in the vote count, and forgot you were away during that time.

[Xkfyu]

Why are you ruling out Clumsy?

[Xkfyu]

Interesting.

[Xkfyu]

@Mod: I'll be V/LA for the weekend.

[Xkfyu]

I think its pretty obvious that I am the vigilante. So I will just claim it.
I shot TTH.

So scum shot Mcmenno.

Yeah, I figured as much.

[Xkfyu]

I mean if they didn't want to claim (which they should) then the real vigi (if it's not you) would just shoot you in the night and in the meantime, we lynch outside of you today.

What the hell?

If FA is fake claiming, then the real Vig claims, and we lynch FA today and win the game.

[Xkfyu]

Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

When I read this again idk why you say surely to either of them at the time

Why surely Lilith

Why surely FA

Because of their placement on the wagon. Lilith never moved off Alabaska, and FA was the one mostly responsible for the lynch.

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I would have thought scum would kill the loved to get them out of the way, and vig would have shot the claimed hated.

I know at least both Panther and I stated that we were basically never going to vote McMenno.

If FA had claimed Vig and that he had shot McMenno, I would have pushed for his lynch.

[Xkfyu]

Better reads than you?
Based on what?

I shot a town player.

Honestly, it was a good shot. You probably saved us a mislynch.

[Xkfyu]

Xk, what is your read on Clumsy?

Scum, but it's mostly more to do with PoE than his actual postings.

Like I said before, based on the Alabaska wagon, I seriously doubt it's you. So, I'm still leaning towards it being either Clumsy or Panther, and my bet is on Clumsy.

[Xkfyu]

Xkyfu thoughts?

Just one.

VOTE: Clumsy

[Xkfyu]

@xkfyu what do you have to say about my observation that you don't seem to have made any solvey posts this whole world 2 game?

I'd say that it's probably true.

I could also same some other stuff, but it would be just a bunch of finger pointing and self-meta, both of which I don't like.

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Xk was also on Alabaska pretty closely, but not as hard. I'm not sure if bussing or catching scum is more likely here though

For the record, it was neither. I was just ready to lynch someone and we got lucky.

[Xkfyu]

Well I was going to, but I got called back into work. I also work all day today too. >_<

I suppose if Lillith also took that as how you took it, then my point is moot. I thought it was an interesting reaction, but it would seems it was tainted. Which is annoying.

Right now I think Panther and Xk hanging wins the game. So I'm willing to put my vote on XK. I think he's at l-1 though. Xk, I have intent. Claim?

I'm an Odd-night Cop.

Checked FA last night. It was obviously green.

[Xkfyu]

Xkfyu 3 days 1 hour

@mod xkfyu due for a prod I'd say

Had no idea it had been that long.

[Xkfyu]

And why would you check the person you deemed to have been mostly responsible for the scum lynch?

If it had been anyone other than FA, I wouldn't have.

Three words. Legend of Zelda.

[Xkfyu]

Basically, I knew I was gonna be paranoid of him bussing for the rest of the game.

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Didn't leave your check clearly here if you were to survive the day and be killed at night.

I had originally meant to spread it out, and say that FA was town, in multiple posts, over the course of the entire game day.

But when FA claimed Vig, there was no reason to continue with it.

[Xkfyu]

Leaning toward not believing the claim.

Regardless, if the claim is true, you're likely of no use unless we have no death n2 which forces a n3.

If we don't lynch you, you'll certainly not die tonight, bc you're scum or there'll be some ambiguity around you and you have no Night Action n2 (so if that's the actual case, I hope you're lying and you're even night )

Dude wtf...

[Xkfyu]

and last night was n3. meaning the "n0" I mistakenly said was actually n2.

in multiple world game like this where it's blended into one thread with an ongoing day/night count, I have a hard time seeing odd/even night modifiers. will have to look for all the roles revealed so far.

bc depending on when a faction is eliminated in game 1, it can swing the balance of the game greatly by allowing you, as odd night, to come into world 2 with a peek that effectively serves as a n0.

like imagine we had one mislynch on earth 1 and it was actually n3 where we came to this world, xkfyu getting what's effectively a n0 peek is kinda huge

Are you forgetting that scum essentially had a N0 kill?

[Xkfyu]

@mod: V/LA for the weekend

[Xkfyu]

Good games guys.

[Xkfyu]

And thanks for hosting Cakez.