On another front, "you weren't playing like this on Earth 1" is a ridiculous argument and really only permutation of the laziest form of meta.
I don't even think I agree that Panther's play here
does
drastically differ from Earth 1.
If you can describe how the play differs in terms of motivation then I think it's still valid.
But I agree with you, Panther's play isn't that much different as to be AI.
In post 591, Fire Assassin wrote:I am also kind of confused we proceeded directly into night.
I am guessing scum have an ability to skip day that it wanted to use on the onset of the game day?
I don't think theres anything in the rules/setup that indicates that if we lynch right and win a game that the next game starts out at night or goes into night.
It worked exactly like this in the last game too.
Except in the last game, we lynched town in D1, and immediately moved to Earth 2, where the Earth 2 scum (not the Earth 1 scum) killed me. It was all a bit confusing because I think pretty much everyone was expecting the nights to be on the same Earth as the days.
In post 588, Clumsy wrote:He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.
Of course they wouldn't kill me.
I'm loved. <3
In post 594, Clumsy wrote:I do enjoy playing with you TTH, so I can attest to agreeing with that.
It wasn't a very subtle soft, but I tried to play along with it in case not everyone got it.
Mcmenno, why did you think everyone had a vote related role? What other roles related to this did you expect?
There's nothing inherently town about the role but the only times I've ever seen the role used it was town.
While it's not technically correct play, if I saw someone else soft loved my first instinct would be to slightly townread it.
Most vote modifiers I see are given to town and I can't offhand name a game where specifically the game was designed with a scumloved or scumhated in mind. Doesn't really mean there isn't one in here.
I don't instinctly townread modifiers unless its extremely negative utility, such as miller, ascetic, hated (But given how it works here, no).
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
I do not play like bringer, stop comparing me to bringer.
In post 656, Xkfyu wrote:So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?
Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.
The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.
I wasn't talking about in LyLo. I was thinking more along the lines of D1.
Ircher was a double voter, when it takes 5 to lynch (4 for hated). If McMenno is hated, and he's scum, Ircher alone would have controlled half the votes that it would have taken to lynch McMenno.
That would have been very powerful with only a 2-person scum group.
In post 656, Xkfyu wrote:So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?
Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.
The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.
I wasn't talking about in LyLo. I was thinking more along the lines of D1.
Ircher was a double voter, when it takes 5 to lynch (4 for hated). If McMenno is hated, and he's scum, Ircher alone would have controlled half the votes that it would have taken to lynch McMenno.
That would have been very powerful with only a 2-person scum group.
Not really, especially since people who are hated are usually townread for the fact they are hated.
Mechanically it would hurt scum, but since Mcmenno can have various other powerful aspects of his role, for instance lets say he was a 1 Shot Day Vig Hated Mafia, then you wouldn't say "Ohh scum are so weak" you would just think its swingy/weird.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
I do not play like bringer, stop comparing me to bringer.
In post 656, Xkfyu wrote:So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?
Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.
The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.
I wasn't talking about in LyLo. I was thinking more along the lines of D1.
Ircher was a double voter, when it takes 5 to lynch (4 for hated). If McMenno is hated, and he's scum, Ircher alone would have controlled half the votes that it would have taken to lynch McMenno.
That would have been very powerful with only a 2-person scum group.
Not really, especially since people who are hated are usually townread for the fact they are hated.
Mechanically it would hurt scum, but since Mcmenno can have various other powerful aspects of his role, for instance lets say he was a 1 Shot Day Vig Hated Mafia, then you wouldn't say "Ohh scum are so weak" you would just think its swingy/weird.
Yeah, "swingy" is a much better word for what I was trying to describe. I don't know. I still think it suggests that McMenno is town.
I'm admittedly not great at setup speculation though, so I should probably just stop.
In post 656, Xkfyu wrote:So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?
Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.
The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.
I wasn't talking about in LyLo. I was thinking more along the lines of D1.
Ircher was a double voter, when it takes 5 to lynch (4 for hated). If McMenno is hated, and he's scum, Ircher alone would have controlled half the votes that it would have taken to lynch McMenno.
That would have been very powerful with only a 2-person scum group.
Not really, especially since people who are hated are usually townread for the fact they are hated.
Mechanically it would hurt scum, but since Mcmenno can have various other powerful aspects of his role, for instance lets say he was a 1 Shot Day Vig Hated Mafia, then you wouldn't say "Ohh scum are so weak" you would just think its swingy/weird.
did't consider that the role could have another componenet
I just think the way that McMenno outed it didn't feel scum motivated. felt loose and free and whatnot.
like I said I'm goign to make myself make reads off of posting and not trying to read the mod bc I've seen town burn themselves on that before.
I have n other scumreads besides TTH right now.
Will someone else be scummy for me?
I would like to find both scum day 1, I was close on day 1 on earth 1.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
I do not play like bringer, stop comparing me to bringer.
In post 658, Fire Assassin wrote:I am dandy, tell me why I shouldn't be voting you right now TTH.
Seriously?
If you think me answering Panther's post in incriminating, then there's no good answer to that so here's Gumball chasing a laser pointer, enjoy.
In post 658, Fire Assassin wrote:I don't instinctly townread modifiers unless its extremely negative utility, such as miller, ascetic, hated (But given how it works here, no).
I've been a scum miller before.
Let's be real for a minute. None of the roles you listed are likely town because of some inconceivable mechanical advantage/disadvantage they impart or because there's no way they wouldn't work as a scum role. They're thought of as likely town because of convention, how often they're used as town versus scum.
(Except ascetic. A scum ascetic would have immunities to investigative and blocking roles so I have no idea why you would automatically townread an ascetic.)
