Micro 677: Double Day Unlimited in Wifom City - Town Win

[Lycanfire]

Please mod confirm me

[Lycanfire]

i didn't exactly get a chance to post i get home from work anywhere from 10-12 at night.

[Lycanfire]

i think the fake hammer needs to be examined more because it felt like it was covering the wagon

[Lycanfire]

fake hammers are fine but a posthumous one is fishy. how can you not know that the fifth vote is on the board? basically i think it's an attempt to distract from a double scum wagon. i need to go back through and see if there was anything big.

[Lycanfire]

forgot this VOTE: Towns Last hope

[Lycanfire]

i'm not seeing the angle of no lynch vs lynch. there's no prs and scum will rarely do us a favor. lynch over no lynch has to always be better.

[Lycanfire]

essentially achieving our best case scenario {scum lynch} is worth the risk of the worst case {town lynch}. we don't gimp our chances later into the game by town lynching, and since we lynch scummy players our best case is always better. we get little info from the nks and relying on those flips gives scum the opportunity to dictate the information we get opposed to us choosing who we flip.

[Lycanfire]

no lynching and waiting on the nk is inherently scum-sided. going to need to look if past games had a no lynch in the double day.

[Lycanfire]

every single game has had double lynches each day

[Lycanfire]

fake hammers are fine but a posthumous one is fishy. how can you not know that the fifth vote is on the board?

Probably because nobody called l-1, or even l-2, and another guy quickhammered off of that

I don't know what you're arguing - we're scummy because we didn't know they were already hammered when we fake hammered...? What's the correlation

I'm arguing that you fake hammered

precisely

because you knew there was a hammer

or why if you think that, you only placed a single vote on us

unless we can get lynches resolved at the same time allowing for a triple lynch i don't see much of a point in voting the entire wagon right now

[Lycanfire]

if i had to peg your partner right now, i'd say it's NM. if you fake hammered because there was a hammer, then timing matters.

[Lycanfire]

I didn't

and even if I did, so what?

We have infinite votes and you went for a fake hammer, on someone already hammered. It was scummy because for all you knew the thread would get locked and when everyone is busy making sense of what happened, they would see you were vote #1 not vote #5/6. That looks good on you, maybe even NM if the wagon is perceived as a clusterfuck. Then when someone who doesn't bother reading the thread speaks up about it on thread unlock you could claim reaction test.

Well, I think that fake hammer isn't scummy af since I think some people use that as a RT.

What is it testing in this scenario?

if there were two scum on the wagon, how does one of them doing a fake hammer distract from that?

Shouldn't you be asking what the town motive is for fake hammering on a hammer? If your SR was on the wagon why aren't you getting whatever we can out of it?

[Lycanfire]

nydus, are you still going on NM?

[Lycanfire]

who do you want nydus?

[Lycanfire]

Sorry I've already read the game three times I didn't feel like there was much more I could say beyond that I was willing to vote for NM if TLH wasn't going to work.

I didn't like how GL took a hard angle on my case v. TLH when they supposedly had a scumread on Martha.

Hiraki appeared and asked the same questions I was asked twice over

Like, I'll go over it re: 239 just in the case that my word choice made sense in my head but not others.

1) I think it was indicative of someone wanting the Alisae wagon to look chaotic
2) I don't think the posthumous hammer is necessarily scum
3) (2, cont) with the assumption of double scum on the wagon, I think the fake hammer is AI. Continuing that line of thought I think it's most likely NM to necessitate point 1.

I get the impression from Hiraki's post 239 that they appeared to want to work with myself but didn't seem to care to do the same with NM or TLH. I think the triple vote is pretty dishonest here. Who exactly do you want to lynch today?

[Lycanfire]

beyond the fact that i'm admitting the fake hammer isn't 100% confscum i'm just repeating myself at this point.

[Lycanfire]

Do you think the Alisae wagon was all-town?

[Lycanfire]

GL can you link me to a game where you actively attempted to town bloc? Beyond that game we played (which was a shitshow) the only game of yours I read was that newbie where ircher was an obvtracker and got lynched him for some damn reason, and i don't exactly remember it either.

[Lycanfire]

i want TLH to answer my question and for hiraki to justify his votes beyond 'unlimited votes'.

[Lycanfire]

Nydus are you saying you believe NM would vote everyone and knowingly hammer as town?

[Lycanfire]

Im only lynching in TLH NM going to count votes and explain why when I get home

[Lycanfire]

That post I promised

My original comment may not have been scum indicative but we had nothing to go with, and it was definitely strange, so I ran with it. I feel like

nobody really tried

to push me off this. Both GL and Hiraki questioned me, but I don't feel like either have tried to explicitly push me away. Tiershift isn't doing it either, his reasoning is that I'm talking about one thing. That's not a push, that's fishing for a read.

I'm discounting splitscum, and the wagon looks worse than offwagon.

Offwagon isn't being opportunistic with my argument. An offwagon team would only question and not push me away if they thought I would tunnel this. Which I think is ridiculous because I wasn't going to and I doubt any one here knows me better than I know myself. That's out.

Meanwhile the wagon shades/refuses to engage me. I'm happy lynching in TLH|NM. VOTE: NM

[Lycanfire]

L-1 NM

[Lycanfire]

I meant to say "an offwagon team would only question and not push the wagon if they thought i would tunnel this"

[Lycanfire]

VOTE: TLH
VOTE: Hiraki

[Lycanfire]

UNVOTE: TLH

[Lycanfire]

I think you're town Nydus, but I also think there's not much to be gained from pressing Tier right now, even if you feel like he should have had a better impression of your townplay.

I don't like how Hiraki's reads have developed from what is a cut and paste from day 1. TLH refuses to answer what they thought the composition for the Alisae wagon was. They had a gross interaction day 1 and despite feeling like they have more presence, they seem lazier than Tier. That's suss.

[Lycanfire]

prodge to my lunch break

[Lycanfire]

Phonepostin

@GL

Because TLH has been coasting all game and Hiraki's day2 entrance was "insert day 1 post". That's why I didn't think having tier answer his already discussed meta read mattered.

@tier

I thought your "lycan is only discussing one thing" post was town intentioned because I

was

posting about one thing to see how people would react and interpret it. See my earlier post. I feel like I struck scum on TLH regardless.

[Lycanfire]

TLH refuses to answer what they thought the composition for the Alisae wagon was. They had a gross interaction day 1 and despite feeling like they have more presence, they seem lazier than Tier. That's suss.

Uh, what? We've been asking you what question you were asking multiple times yesterday. Also, I don't understand what the question is? You're asking if I think scum were on Alisae? I don't think there's any way to really deduce that with how it happened

Give me a guess

Can you identify how I've been coasting? This day has now 2 pages into it.

Just because you didn't like the answer you got today (which is identical from the answer that you got yesterday) doesn't mean you can use different words to describe it.

Your posting is lazy and your ardently stick to your reads schtick is your coasting mechanism.

[Lycanfire]

Lycan is looking to lynch; not looking to lynch scum. This is found a lot in his D1 posting. There's no real scumhunting just identification of scumtells - if that makes some sense? This is probably bad wording but I hope my point comes across clearly.

this is a pure misrep. i scumhunted by creating an issue and seeing where peoples' opinions landed. what the fuck is your idea of scumhunting in this game? making a lynch pool and have them claim VT? you've done absolutely nothing in this game besides creating a lynchpool and wave your arms saying you made a post a few weeks ago.

waiting on TLH to stop ignoring the game and answer the question. titus kept my vote but i'm okay lynching in this today. VOTE: TLH

[Lycanfire]

remember when Lycan said that double voting is bad and you shouldn't do it because it's dishonest to who you actually want to lynch and then he proceeds to do it right now (his votes are on me and TLH, something he wanted to do from the start of D2) very secretly

Multi votes are only dishonest if you don't have any intention to lynch those people. You had three votes with no reasons behind them.

remember when Lycan said that I shouldn't be copy/pasting my reads from D1 (again, with no reasoning why I shouldn't do that if nothing has changed) and then proceeds to vote his two SRs from D1?

I explicitly said I was townreading you day 1. That's why I was happy with an NM lynch. Why do you assume I was?

what issue did you create? a stupid theory that no one is following based off of a fake-hammer thing that could just be a mistake?

How about the issue that you're freaking out that I revoted TLH? If you want him lynched why are you getting defensive? I see a vote on TLH but posts keep coming my way (outside your icky 471 that was

prompted

by TLH in 462). This is a bluff.

Play stupid games, earn stupid prizes.

[Lycanfire]

I explicitly said I was townreading you day 1.

I get the impression from Hiraki's post 239 that they appeared to want to work with myself but didn't seem to care to do the same with NM or TLH. I think the triple vote is pretty dishonest here. Who exactly do you want to lynch today?

Very big town read. Very explicit and there's nothing implied.

continue to keep calling my posts icky/bad/etc. without explaining, it is definitely working (i guess?)

your post was shit because the only shade you've been putting on TLH is the shade you've been prompted by TLH to make. it's manufactured.

and yeah-right. i'm not scumhunting or anything. keep pushing your narrative.

here's the post i was talking about.

That post I promised

My original comment may not have been scum indicative but we had nothing to go with, and it was definitely strange, so I ran with it. I feel like

nobody really tried

to push me off this. Both GL and Hiraki questioned me, but I don't feel like either have tried to explicitly push me away. Tiershift isn't doing it either, his reasoning is that I'm talking about one thing. That's not a push, that's fishing for a read.

I'm discounting splitscum, and the wagon looks worse than offwagon.

Offwagon isn't being opportunistic with my argument. An offwagon team would only question and not push me away if they thought I would tunnel this. Which I think is ridiculous because I wasn't going to and I doubt any one here knows me better than I know myself. That's out.

Meanwhile the wagon shades/refuses to engage me. I'm happy lynching in TLH|NM. VOTE: NM

[Lycanfire]

Instead of refuting your posts, I'll just drop this here from two people who are in high disagreement at the moment:

I have a hard time believing that Lycan is genuinely accusing Hiraki is coasting when his own posting on D2 has been naked votes and then very simplistic explanations of them

Why do you care about other peoples opinions if you're reading them as town? Reinforcing someone's read doesn't advance the game state. It doesn't get people to vote with you.

Tiershift and GL what say you?

Why Tiershift and not Nydus?

all that said I'd still like to lynch Lycan first and foremost

Titus confirms me as town. Who are you lynching instead?

[Lycanfire]

What do you think of Hiraki/TLH interactions Nydus?

[Lycanfire]

@Mod can we get a deadline pause while we wait for a Tier replacement

Lycan I'd lynch TLH if you flip town, I think

A monkey appears in the thread and rips off TLH's head. He flips scum. Who do you want to lynch?

I don't honestly think much of it at all. I mean, I can say that I think it's not super likely for them to be together because of the EoD vote from one of them onto the other when we were trying to scramble and try to find someone we could agreeable lynch but even then... I don't think it really rules them out completely. Dunno.

They both made similar posts in 486/488 yet they're cross scumreading each other. Are those posts furthering their reads on one another?

[Lycanfire]

Tiershift and GL what say you?

Why Tiershift and not Nydus?

I wasn't talking to nydush

you said you liked hiraki/nydus in 416 and expanded that to one of hiraki/myself and one of gl/nydus. why do you care what tiershift has to say if he's barely in the game while you townread him?

I could theoretically hammer lycanfire right now.

fucking try it if you can come up with a read that isn't unnecessarily cryptic

[Lycanfire]

gl/michael thoughts?

[Lycanfire]

Firey bullshit. Even if Lycan is always scum I don't deserve to be speedlynched when I'm trying to solve the game.

I would bet the game on Michael scum.

1) NK proves TLH was bussed
2) TLH had Nydus/GL in lynchpool but was only making posts to promote GL as his alt-wagon
3) Lack of coordination between the wagons TLH/Hiraki were promoting
4) Michael had been buddying me then simultaneously accused GL and TLH in post 543

[Lycanfire]

As for myself I still can't believe that Hiraki isn't scum.

[Lycanfire]

My favourite part of the game was assuring jester and dunnstral that i wasn't going to bus them and then doing it anyway