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Hello, everyone, I'm now here. Back at work, and avoiding work, to your great advantage. Quick recap:
8-9- lion and sob play footsie
30- bork tries hard
32- bork tries hard
46- bork tries hard
48- lion reacts strangely to bork trying hard
51- bella tries not hard enough
59- bork tries hard
70s- eddie continues trolling
80- bella elaborates, sort of
112- twitchy post from sobolev
Townvibes fromeddie. He's a troll, but the good kind.
Townvibes fromTTTT. Little to go on here.
Townvibes frombork. Fine. Tryhard. Whatever. I've liked the last two pages from him much more than the first three. Acquired taste, maybe.
Meh vibes fromsobolev. Nullish, I don't know.
fos froggy. His entry reads like someone who wants to be seen asking questions actively than someone who gives a shit about the answers. Don't ask me to explain the difference, I probably can't.
fos guilty lion. Something is going on between him and sobolev. If someone is pocketing someone else, I always look to the more experienced player first.
VOTE: bella
Kara! Good to see you again. Sorry you flipped red this time.-
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Because it's going to be a whole goddam thing. I'll do it when I'm ready.In post 154, Fro99er wrote:Why is everyone saying I'm making them nervous but nobody is voting me?
@bork- my post was more or less "things that caught my eye while reading." And yes, you're a try-hard.
I don't remember who posted this first, but I now agree, SS is probably town. In ISO he looks okay.-
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The eddie wagon is bad and you should feel bad.
eddie and TTTT are the only strong town reads for me at teh moment. bork is close.
froggy wants a vote, so let's have at it.
VOTE: froggy
His case against eddie is based on some incredibly weak logic, and looks like he just picked a random easy target and reverse-engineered some dumb meta shit. I don't want to be that guy rushing to whiteknight eddie, but yeah it has come to that. froggy needs to go.-
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@frogger, I'm always shallow, homeboy. I'm not here to think, I'm here for blood. You'll have to be okay with that.
@eddie, GL, what's the SBF case? S/he hasn't done anything either way as far as I can see.
Scumvibes from GL, not sure how everyone is seeing that guy as town. Opportunistic as whoa. Continued scumvibes from frogger, who looks like he's trying to pocket everyone.
bork town. tttt town. eddie town.-
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No, I'm not sorting you. You've been sorted. That last bit was a comment on others who are townreading you. No idea where that comes from.In post 306, GuiltyLion wrote:
VOTE: LowellIn post 279, Lowell wrote:Scumvibes from GL, not sure how everyone is seeing that guy as town. Opportunistic as whoa. Continued scumvibes from frogger, who looks like he's trying to pocket everyone.
I don't think town!Lowell would call me "opportunistic" here. It's simply not a meaningful or accurate description of my play, especially when the game is still early/halfway through D1, so I'm having a hard time seeing where he could be honestly coming from with that perspective.
This line also strikes me as scummy, Lowell doesn't operate in null reads and uncertainty. The last line reads to me like it's designed to make people think he's genuinely attempting to sort me or perhaps also to keep me townreading him. Didn't work.In post 303, Lowell wrote:From the beginning and his half-assed pocketing attempt on SS this guy has been slimy. I could squint and see null, but the townreads on this slot are appalling.
Also I call everyone "opportunistic" all the time. It's the longest word I know how to spell so I use it a lot.
Finally, a 1v1.
Assemble, everyone. It's me or GL, choose sides and shoot to kill.-
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@TTTT, it's a little weird how casually you town read me. You trying to pocket me, bro?
fos TTTT
@everyone else, GL is flailing, and I'm still 1v1-ing him. Never seen someone so upset about getting two votes. Imagine how methodical and tedious he'll be if we get him to four or five. Get in here and kill one of us. These are some tepid-ass wagons right now.-
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Still feeling frogger as scum here. I think he's trying to overwhelm us with activity and energy.
Frogger: "THIS IS HOW I ALWAYS PLAY. Get used to it wooooo Frog4LyFe!"
Sure, sure, but this feels more scum thread-bullying (in a massive text way, not in an abusive way) than it feels high-energy town.
@TTTT, no, seriously, no one ever thinks I'm town D1. You are suspicious.-
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Why not GL?In post 525, Eddie Cane wrote:
sure. if that makes you happy.In post 521, Fro99er wrote:So you're scumreading me for being sitewide VLA?
Lowell, join me.im not voting gl.-
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Don't worry, GL is still scum. Listen, you can't all love on GL all game and then complain when I get sick of waiting for others to join the wagon. I've got people to kill, here, I'm not just sitting around on a dead wagon. GL will have his turn.In post 551, Sobolev Space wrote:
Do you really think enough people dug in their heels between 527 and 543 for that big of a reversal?In post 546, borkjerfkin wrote:
not really sure if I agree; enough people were digging their heels in against the GL wagonIn post 545, Sobolev Space wrote:Sorry for the absence all. Will read what I missed and post thoughts.
I want to be on the record as thinking Lowell's last post is terrible though.-
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Bro, of course I'm trying to frame your behavior. I'm trying to get you lynched and no one listens to me. And yes, your vote on SBF was opportunistic. S/he had done nothing whatsoever at that point. Attacking a non-factor who can't fight back is the definition of opportunistic. Or the definition of something. Whatever, it's bad.In post 541, GuiltyLion wrote:
also, HERE is a good example of a misrep. The "null point" is honestly the least important and weakest part of my 'case' on Lowell (I also don't really feel it's a case, just a few succinct damning points). What Lowell omitted and ignored are the two better reasons that I already gave in thread:In post 523, Lowell wrote:His entire case on me amounts to "Lowell thinks in extremes and said someone is null. CONTRADICTION!" I can make his case against me better than he can, and it only took me one sentence.
1) I don't believe town!Lowell would consider my early D1 play - at the time of posting 279 - to be genuinely "opportunistic". I made one vote on SBF.
2) the description of me "pocketing SS" makes no sense either, and reads more like Lowell is trying to frame my behavior than interpret it
Yes, I'm late responding to this. Yes, I could easily move on. Probably will.-
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In post 638, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:@Fro99er consider staying in the game until Bella is prodded? You're a big part of the reason I inned to this game, I'd be bummed to see you go.
Damn. Sick power play.In post 639, Fro99er wrote:Fine I'll stay in
I don't even know who you are so I dunno why you'd in because of me-
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Give me a break with this. Your suspicion of me is the most fake-ass read ever. I didn't vote frogger with you? And I play cagey? Try harder, guy.In post 831, Eddie Cane wrote:we are trying to lynch scum. clearly nobody is interested in voting frogger with me and nobody was interested in voting me with me. voting your strongest sr is nice and all but with under 24 hours on d1 left it's not a plausible outcome.
I'd vote frogger, bella, GL, and a couple others I'm forgetting. Show me the wagon and I'm there.-
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I just have a bad vibe there. Wish I had something more concrete to tell you. He just has that "I'm going to lead the town down my path through powerposting" scumvibe.In post 844, Eddie Cane wrote:tell me WHY you'd voter frogger. you've talked about gl extensively and at least touched on bella. you're just fosing frogger with no given reason.-
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Goddam it, prodded.
The TTTT case looks bogus. And I'm not just saying that because he townreads me. Or maybe I am. Shit. Either way, not buying.
Also the eddie case does nothing for me.
I swear on all that is holy that eventually I will show up with a real case instead of hating on other peoples' cases. But that day is not today.
VOTE: frogger
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Hey guy with 3 votes, you don't make the rules here.In post 1114, Eddie Cane wrote:sbf are you willing to vote frogger over ss? I'll vote your lynch tomorrow whether it be gl or SS.-
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This is a scummy post.In post 1196, Sobolev Space wrote:My reads yesterday were terrible. Will do some rereading of the thread and ISO eddie.
I'm surprised GL was the NK. I thought Eddie's 1180 was a signal to his partner about his kill preferences.
@SBF - what are the reads you wanted to wait until today to give?-
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I don't know. I might do this. Or not. I'm not really paying that much attention.In post 1198, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:I'm waffling.
Low, run me through 1195 please, and give me a run-down of what you think of the gamestate and what Town's course of action should be at this point. I want a full readslist with explanations and all the chocolate toppings to go with.
You can do the same if you feel like it, Space.-
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I'll save you the trouble. Eddie was mah boi.In post 1220, TTTT wrote:read eddie's ISO
leaning towards SS or Lowell as his partner at this point
but eddie did a good job disassociating from everyone
next up: all of your ISOs to see how you talked to and about eddie
But now less so.-
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I don't think scum would say this. It's almost... too obvious.
In post 986, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:GL's "I've never been mislynched" is yet another scumclaim. The amount of times Town says this kind of thing? No. GL already knows everyone's alignment and his posts are soaked in it.
And in all the games I've played with Frog I've gotten a pretty good read on him. If he's scum this game he's got me fooled.
Lowell andEddie are utterly obvious Town. I really doubt Space is scum by the way she reacted to me shitting on her case.
There's not much room for scum to move here. They misplayed Day 1 and they're paying for it as a result.Boldis mine. I don't see scum calling their partner "obvious Town." Usually there's at least a little hedge there.
I'd like you to be bothered to explain the logic. If anything, the GL kill looks like a setup on SS.In post 1061, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:If GL is Town and Eddie is scum then Space is scum.
I could explain the logic but I can't be bothered.
I'm not voting Eddie.
VOTE: Space
Tired of this slot being cutesy and shopping for lynches.
This too, makes me think someone latched on to your repeated "oh if eddie is scum, SS must be too" to get you to bite.In post 1148, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:I'm just going to say that it's pretty obvious from this page that there are only two scumteams that make any sense in the game right now.
Either 4T and GL are scumpartners or Eddie and Space are scumpartners. This lynch-me-not-them behavior from Space and Eddie doesn't make a whole lot of logical sense, but I can see the Town reasoning in it. I can also very easily see GL and 4T as scumpartners by the way GL has softballed questions to 4T and by how he seems to have begun flailing.
{4T, GL}
{Eddie, Space}
Take your pick. I'll vote any of the four except Eddie. Space looks Town from this page. GL does not. Whichever team it is, PoE has the scumteam trapped right now. If either 4T or GL flip green, the team is {Eddie, Space}. If either Eddie or Space flip green, the team is {4T, GL}.
VOTE: 4T
I think I agree with this. SBF was in a pretty strong position to NOT vote eddie the whole day. Don't see the point of hammering his teammate.In post 1178, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:Nah that hammer basically makes me conf!town actually. scum!me would never have hammered my mutual locktown.
SBF's tone looks town to me. And I'm getting a very strong feeling that SS is being set up as a fall guy.
I'll lynch either frogger or TTTT today. I think... let me get to more ISOs.-
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VOTE: TTTT
I think I'm here by process of elimination. Frogger's ISO v eddie is pretty strong. A part of me wants to say they had some sort of conversation like this in their thread: "okay so we survive D1, I bus the shit out of you D2, then I'll be in the clear for the all-important D3, then I'll win in LYLO." But another part of me thinks that's reaching.-
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Mostly, yes. Plus I noticed SBF's constant "If eddie is scum and GL is town, SS must be scum" that he'sbeen repeating over and over. Makes the case on you look like a set-up.In post 1233, Sobolev Space wrote:Lowell you were scum reading me pretty hard yesterday. What changed your mind? Was it just the GL nightkill?-
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I think I believe the second scenario more. This format rewards bussing more than a normal 2-scum setup, I would say.In post 1247, Fro99er wrote:Lowell's trying to have it both ways with SBF
Saying SBF is town for interactions with eddie, and saying SBF is scum for SBF saying if eddie is scum and GL is town then SS must be scum.
Lowell which read do you believe more?-
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