Micro 687: Vanilluxe Mafia - Mafia Victory!!!

[Lowell]

Checking in on my vacation responding to quasi prod. On a foreign keyboard so I have no idea how to bracket. When I do Im voting bork for whining about inactives already. also because he´s scum. but mostly the first thing.

[Lowell]

Hello, everyone, I'm now here. Back at work, and avoiding work, to your great advantage. Quick recap:

8-9- lion and sob play footsie
30- bork tries hard
32- bork tries hard
46- bork tries hard
48- lion reacts strangely to bork trying hard
51- bella tries not hard enough
59- bork tries hard
70s- eddie continues trolling
80- bella elaborates, sort of
112- twitchy post from sobolev

Townvibes from

eddie

. He's a troll, but the good kind.

Townvibes from

TTTT

. Little to go on here.

Townvibes from

bork

. Fine. Tryhard. Whatever. I've liked the last two pages from him much more than the first three. Acquired taste, maybe.

Meh vibes from

sobolev

. Nullish, I don't know.

fos froggy

. His entry reads like someone who wants to be seen asking questions actively than someone who gives a shit about the answers. Don't ask me to explain the difference, I probably can't.

fos guilty lion

. Something is going on between him and sobolev. If someone is pocketing someone else, I always look to the more experienced player first.

VOTE: bella

Kara! Good to see you again. Sorry you flipped red this time.

[Lowell]

It just looks showy. But eddie's right, largely gut. I'd be happy if I were wrong.

[Lowell]

Why is everyone saying I'm making them nervous but nobody is voting me?

Because it's going to be a whole goddam thing. I'll do it when I'm ready.

@bork- my post was more or less "things that caught my eye while reading." And yes, you're a try-hard.

I don't remember who posted this first, but I now agree, SS is probably town. In ISO he looks okay.

[Lowell]

The eddie wagon is bad and you should feel bad.

eddie and TTTT are the only strong town reads for me at teh moment. bork is close.

froggy wants a vote, so let's have at it.

VOTE: froggy

His case against eddie is based on some incredibly weak logic, and looks like he just picked a random easy target and reverse-engineered some dumb meta shit. I don't want to be that guy rushing to whiteknight eddie, but yeah it has come to that. froggy needs to go.

[Lowell]

Awesome. I feel better now.

[Lowell]

@frogger, I'm always shallow, homeboy. I'm not here to think, I'm here for blood. You'll have to be okay with that.

@eddie, GL, what's the SBF case? S/he hasn't done anything either way as far as I can see.

Scumvibes from GL, not sure how everyone is seeing that guy as town. Opportunistic as whoa. Continued scumvibes from frogger, who looks like he's trying to pocket everyone.

bork town. tttt town. eddie town.

[Lowell]

SBF is on the goddam money.

VOTE: guilty

From the beginning and his half-assed pocketing attempt on SS this guy has been slimy. I could squint and see null, but the townreads on this slot are appalling.

[Lowell]

Also can we not unvote without voting someone else please? This game is going nowhere fast anyway.

[Lowell]

Scumvibes from GL, not sure how everyone is seeing that guy as town. Opportunistic as whoa. Continued scumvibes from frogger, who looks like he's trying to pocket everyone.

VOTE: Lowell

I don't think town!Lowell would call me "opportunistic" here. It's simply not a meaningful or accurate description of my play, especially when the game is still early/halfway through D1, so I'm having a hard time seeing where he could be honestly coming from with that perspective.

From the beginning and his half-assed pocketing attempt on SS this guy has been slimy. I could squint and see null, but the townreads on this slot are appalling.

This line also strikes me as scummy, Lowell doesn't operate in null reads and uncertainty. The last line reads to me like it's designed to make people think he's genuinely attempting to sort me or perhaps also to keep me townreading him. Didn't work.

No, I'm not sorting you. You've been sorted. That last bit was a comment on others who are townreading you. No idea where that comes from.

Also I call everyone "opportunistic" all the time. It's the longest word I know how to spell so I use it a lot.

Finally, a 1v1.

Assemble, everyone. It's me or GL, choose sides and shoot to kill.

[Lowell]

Out this weekend, sorry. Will be back by Monday afternoon.

[Lowell]

@TTTT, it's a little weird how casually you town read me. You trying to pocket me, bro?

fos TTTT

@everyone else, GL is flailing, and I'm still 1v1-ing him. Never seen someone so upset about getting two votes. Imagine how methodical and tedious he'll be if we get him to four or five. Get in here and kill one of us. These are some tepid-ass wagons right now.

[Lowell]

Bella has still done nothing.

Eddie's push on SS seems like a sideshow. No one cares. Sure, he can be scum if you want. But still.

[Lowell]

More GL votes please.

His entire case on me amounts to "Lowell thinks in extremes and said someone is null. CONTRADICTION!" I can make his case against me better than he can, and it only took me one sentence.

[Lowell]

Still feeling frogger as scum here. I think he's trying to overwhelm us with activity and energy.

Frogger: "THIS IS HOW I ALWAYS PLAY. Get used to it wooooo Frog4LyFe!"

Sure, sure, but this feels more scum thread-bullying (in a massive text way, not in an abusive way) than it feels high-energy town.

@TTTT, no, seriously, no one ever thinks I'm town D1. You are suspicious.

[Lowell]

So you're scumreading me for being sitewide VLA?

sure. if that makes you happy.

Lowell, join me.im not voting gl.

Why not GL?

[Lowell]

oh he knows how to rub you the right way, does he?

tee hee

/shows self out

[Lowell]

Okay back to bella, that seems to be where the pent-up angst is in this group.

VOTE: bella

My 1v1 with GL bores me. GL has permission to continue it, though.

[Lowell]

Sorry for the absence all. Will read what I missed and post thoughts.

I want to be on the record as thinking Lowell's last post is terrible though.

not really sure if I agree; enough people were digging their heels in against the GL wagon

Do you really think enough people dug in their heels between 527 and 543 for that big of a reversal?

Don't worry, GL is still scum. Listen, you can't all love on GL all game and then complain when I get sick of waiting for others to join the wagon. I've got people to kill, here, I'm not just sitting around on a dead wagon. GL will have his turn.

[Lowell]

His entire case on me amounts to "Lowell thinks in extremes and said someone is null. CONTRADICTION!" I can make his case against me better than he can, and it only took me one sentence.

also, HERE is a good example of a misrep. The "null point" is honestly the least important and weakest part of my 'case' on Lowell (I also don't really feel it's a case, just a few succinct damning points). What Lowell omitted and ignored are the two better reasons that I already gave in thread:

1) I don't believe town!Lowell would consider my early D1 play - at the time of posting 279 - to be genuinely "opportunistic". I made one vote on SBF.
2) the description of me "pocketing SS" makes no sense either, and reads more like Lowell is trying to frame my behavior than interpret it

Bro, of course I'm trying to frame your behavior. I'm trying to get you lynched and no one listens to me. And yes, your vote on SBF was opportunistic. S/he had done nothing whatsoever at that point. Attacking a non-factor who can't fight back is the definition of opportunistic. Or the definition of something. Whatever, it's bad.

Yes, I'm late responding to this. Yes, I could easily move on. Probably will.

[Lowell]

if it comes down to it I'm voting gl over Lowell

This guy gets it.

[Lowell]

@Fro99er consider staying in the game until Bella is prodded? You're a big part of the reason I inned to this game, I'd be bummed to see you go.

Fine I'll stay in

I don't even know who you are so I dunno why you'd in because of me

Damn. Sick power play.

[Lowell]

@mod

, V/LA until Tuesday, heading off to the beach, starting in about 8 hours.

Anyone have anything specific for me before I leave? Otherwise look forward to more of the same. Either way at least one more post before I go.

[Lowell]

we are trying to lynch scum. clearly nobody is interested in voting frogger with me and nobody was interested in voting me with me. voting your strongest sr is nice and all but with under 24 hours on d1 left it's not a plausible outcome.

Give me a break with this. Your suspicion of me is the most fake-ass read ever. I didn't vote frogger with you? And I play cagey? Try harder, guy.

I'd vote frogger, bella, GL, and a couple others I'm forgetting. Show me the wagon and I'm there.

[Lowell]

1. TTTT - would vote
2. GuiltyLion - yep
3. SweetBlueFlowers - nope
4. Sobolev Space - meh, I guess not
5. Eddie Cane - yes, if I have to
6. Lowell - nope
7. Fro99er - yep
8. Bellaphant - yep
9. borkjerfkin - nope

[Lowell]

Just now seeing deadline. I'll make time to be on tonight to cast my vote before I leave.

[Lowell]

Yeah I do that sometimes.

You want a frogger wagon? Let's do it.

VOTE: frogger

[Lowell]

tell me WHY you'd voter frogger. you've talked about gl extensively and at least touched on bella. you're just fosing frogger with no given reason.

I just have a bad vibe there. Wish I had something more concrete to tell you. He just has that "I'm going to lead the town down my path through powerposting" scumvibe.

[Lowell]

Okay.

VOTE: bella

[Lowell]

I did think so, true. But I'm particularly attuned to the "oh, well, nothing going on at deadline, let's all lynch Lowell, meh he's vaguely scummy," play, which has happened to me way too many times.

[Lowell]

Back from long weekend. prod avoidance now, posting tomorrow.

[Lowell]

I said I was going to get to this today. I didn't. Apologies.

[Lowell]

Goddam it, prodded.

The TTTT case looks bogus. And I'm not just saying that because he townreads me. Or maybe I am. Shit. Either way, not buying.

Also the eddie case does nothing for me.

I swear on all that is holy that eventually I will show up with a real case instead of hating on other peoples' cases. But that day is not today.

VOTE: frogger

Let's try this.

[Lowell]

V/LA the rest of teh weekend. Sorry all.

[Lowell]

Let's powerwagon someone.

[Lowell]

Can I LOLHAMMER here?

Be honest, who is going to call me scummy if I do?

[Lowell]

Eddie is one of those players I early townread and then haven't really thought about. Which is probably bad.

So him being dead might be a nice reset for me. And if he's scum I can officially retire as champion.

[Lowell]

I'd normally respond to that with a rageful LOLHAMMER but I read back and loved your description of SS. So I'll let it go.

[Lowell]

VOTE: SS

I'm sheeping SBF for awhile. She gets it.

[Lowell]

This is true. Felt like this game needed a jolt of energy. Or randomness.

[Lowell]

I did that, you're welcome!

[Lowell]

I guess? I like SBF more than you right now though, so that's my reservation. I'm a discriminating sheep.

[Lowell]

I remember reading page 1 and thinking "one of GL or SS is def scum." I remember mentioning that and getting shouted down by ponderous LAMIST posts from both.

Anyway, I feel pretty sure I'm going to be right after all.

Cue ponderous posts from both.

[Lowell]

sbf are you willing to vote frogger over ss? I'll vote your lynch tomorrow whether it be gl or SS.

Hey guy with 3 votes, you don't make the rules here.

[Lowell]

SS, GL, and frogger. Some combination of that is the scum.

[Lowell]

SS is a nightmare right now. 1138 is nonsensical.

I'm glad she and GL are finally agreeing that the other one is scum though. That's a 1v1 I could get behind.

[Lowell]

^^^ would prefer himself over eddie. okay *eye roll*

[Lowell]

VOTE: frogger

I think this was a bus, setting up a D3 mislynch. Frogger seems like the bussing type.

[Lowell]

My reads yesterday were terrible. Will do some rereading of the thread and ISO eddie.

I'm surprised GL was the NK. I thought Eddie's 1180 was a signal to his partner about his kill preferences.

@SBF - what are the reads you wanted to wait until today to give?

This is a scummy post.

[Lowell]

I'm waffling.

Low, run me through 1195 please, and give me a run-down of what you think of the gamestate and what Town's course of action should be at this point. I want a full readslist with explanations and all the chocolate toppings to go with.

You can do the same if you feel like it, Space.

I don't know. I might do this. Or not. I'm not really paying that much attention.

[Lowell]

I don't buddy my buddies. This is lazy reasoning.

Offhand SS looks slightly better by GL being dead. I had been hammering both as scumsuspects yesterday so GL's NK wouldn't make much sense from scum-SS POV.

[Lowell]

read eddie's ISO
leaning towards SS or Lowell as his partner at this point
but eddie did a good job disassociating from everyone
next up: all of your ISOs to see how you talked to and about eddie

I'll save you the trouble. Eddie was mah boi.

But now less so.

[Lowell]

DIE TRUMPCARE DIE!

/refocuses

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Game on.

[Lowell]

VOTE: eddie

L-1

there's no danger of a scum quick-hammer here

I don't think scum would say this. It's almost... too obvious.

GL's "I've never been mislynched" is yet another scumclaim. The amount of times Town says this kind of thing? No. GL already knows everyone's alignment and his posts are soaked in it.

And in all the games I've played with Frog I've gotten a pretty good read on him. If he's scum this game he's got me fooled.

Lowell and

Eddie are utterly obvious Town

. I really doubt Space is scum by the way she reacted to me shitting on her case.

There's not much room for scum to move here. They misplayed Day 1 and they're paying for it as a result.

Bold

is mine. I don't see scum calling their partner "obvious Town." Usually there's at least a little hedge there.

If GL is Town and Eddie is scum then Space is scum.

I could explain the logic but I can't be bothered.

I'm not voting Eddie.

VOTE: Space

Tired of this slot being cutesy and shopping for lynches.

I'd like you to be bothered to explain the logic. If anything, the GL kill looks like a setup on SS.

I'm just going to say that it's pretty obvious from this page that there are only two scumteams that make any sense in the game right now.

Either 4T and GL are scumpartners or Eddie and Space are scumpartners. This lynch-me-not-them behavior from Space and Eddie doesn't make a whole lot of logical sense, but I can see the Town reasoning in it. I can also very easily see GL and 4T as scumpartners by the way GL has softballed questions to 4T and by how he seems to have begun flailing.

{4T, GL}
{Eddie, Space}

Take your pick. I'll vote any of the four except Eddie. Space looks Town from this page. GL does not. Whichever team it is, PoE has the scumteam trapped right now. If either 4T or GL flip green, the team is {Eddie, Space}. If either Eddie or Space flip green, the team is {4T, GL}.

VOTE: 4T

This too, makes me think someone latched on to your repeated "oh if eddie is scum, SS must be too" to get you to bite.

Nah that hammer basically makes me conf!town actually. scum!me would never have hammered my mutual locktown.

I think I agree with this. SBF was in a pretty strong position to NOT vote eddie the whole day. Don't see the point of hammering his teammate.

SBF's tone looks town to me. And I'm getting a very strong feeling that SS is being set up as a fall guy.

I'll lynch either frogger or TTTT today. I think... let me get to more ISOs.

[Lowell]

VOTE: TTTT

I think I'm here by process of elimination. Frogger's ISO v eddie is pretty strong. A part of me wants to say they had some sort of conversation like this in their thread: "okay so we survive D1, I bus the shit out of you D2, then I'll be in the clear for the all-important D3, then I'll win in LYLO." But another part of me thinks that's reaching.

[Lowell]

Lowell you were scum reading me pretty hard yesterday. What changed your mind? Was it just the GL nightkill?

Mostly, yes. Plus I noticed SBF's constant "If eddie is scum and GL is town, SS must be scum" that he'sbeen repeating over and over. Makes the case on you look like a set-up.

[Lowell]

@mod- V/LA until Tuesday. Apologies

No worries!
Noted

[Lowell]

I'm back. Can I LOLHAMMER??

[Lowell]

Someone tell me why SS would kill GL?

[Lowell]

Lowell's trying to have it both ways with SBF

Saying SBF is town for interactions with eddie, and saying SBF is scum for SBF saying if eddie is scum and GL is town then SS must be scum.

Lowell which read do you believe more?

I think I believe the second scenario more. This format rewards bussing more than a normal 2-scum setup, I would say.

[Lowell]

I guess I did. Good point.

Let's vote TTTT instead.

[Lowell]

Why would TTTT kill GL if SBF was hard pushing both of them?

Because SBF would then be left to hard push SS, which is what TTTT would want?

[Lowell]

Oh you meant pushing GL and TTTT. Nevermind then. Hold on.

[Lowell]

^^^ yah this is what I mean

So, maybe that describes frogger?

Don't self-hammer SS, I've decided it's not you and that'll leave me alive at LYLO which is terrible. Let's get this right today.

[Lowell]

@TTTT, explain the first part.

My concern here is that if it's not SS it's going to be very hard to win in LYLO.

[Lowell]

@Lowell - I'm willing to work with you to an extent but my reads today are all over the place. Looking back I'm pretty sure TTTT is town however. Who else do you think could be scum?

So you think I'm town?

[Lowell]

@TTTT- saying you're the "obvious hammer" is scummy as hell.

I'll hammer SS if needed, but it's dumb. I'd rather kill basically anyone else.

[Lowell]

Obvious NK, yes.

[Lowell]

That's what's scummy.

[Lowell]

I'd rather kill basically anyone else.

convince me

How about your first point of 1294? That one line seems to be a stronger case than anything I've heard on SS.

[Lowell]

VOTE: space

HAMMER! My natural lust for blood overcomes my reservations about this particular lynch.

SS being scum will be all sorts of vindication for everything I once--and then no longer--believed about SS/GL interaction.

Flip please.

[Lowell]

Damn.

[Lowell]

@fro99er
If you don't wanna hammer SS
at least try and convince me that lowell is scum

RIP frogger or SBF

[Lowell]

I'm here. Scum.

[Lowell]

But yeah you're right, prob frogger or SBF.

[Lowell]

@TTTT, let's form a townblock. Then one of us might die.

What can I say here to be obvtown enough to NK? Anything?

SS help me out.

[Lowell]

To make me NKable.

[Lowell]

Okay I'm pretty sure it's frogger or SBF now.

[Lowell]

Ha, of course.

You're both guilty!

[Lowell]

Wrong.

[Lowell]

So is it frogger then? Or is this a hilarious gambit?

[Lowell]

Get in here and hammer or not, frog.

[Lowell]

GG all.

No hard feelings SBF. F3s are the worst, good on you for your courage.