[Micro 681] Spooky Scary Skeletons Mafia GAME OVER

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What's up guys, that deadline is pretty close :/

I already read some and I'll post my thoughts soon

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Ok so I read from page 63 and the first 7 pages, if there's anything else I should read, please point me to it. First impressions:

Keyen - Kind of scummy. I don’t like 1887 or the "who was Nked" shit. Early game was also awkward.
Keyser - town, but might scum if keyen is town. The interactions between those slots are off. I liked a lot of his gamesolving efforts and his digging early game though.
Dreal - lean town, but I'm waffling on him. I like 1892 and his thoughts and pushes feel genuine, but I don't like how he called grey scum before he flipped. Grey didn't look like he was trolling to me at all. Also I thought 88 was an overreaction, but his early push on grey is consistent with logic I've seen him push before as town. I don't think scum would try to push that hard that early. Dreal v fire looks SvT because I would expect TvT to engage more.
Fire - lean town for reaction testing Keyser and gut
Flubber - probably town for stream-of-consciousness posting, was the same in a game I recently played with him
Zulfy - gut town, also I liked 71. I townread the drunk posting as well, since I think drunk posting would look like obvscum or scum just wouldn't drunkpost. I also
Pine (Caesar) - null, from what I saw was tunneled on grey and not much else. Would like to know his opinions now.

Too many lean town reads which sucks, I might do some ISOs if I feel like it later.

@Fire: I don't know why no one corrected you after this long, but keyen only has 2 votes like the rest of us. Also, why was keyen's reaction towny?

@everyone: Keyser says there was a lot of wagon stalling d1. Is this true? Is it true that joey, grey, and keyen were the main wagons? Was there any point where wagons changed quickly, and if so could you give me page number(s) for that?

VOTE: keyen

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I also

This is supposed to say "I also don't think scum would fake being drunk"

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^^^
Bruh read the whole thread

Not too keen on reading 55 pages right now, anything in particular you want me to look at?

PEdit: dreal, because I don't think scum would expect to be tr'ed for drunkposting and I just don't see a reason for it

Keyen, I just gave an argument for why it's AI. Can you explain why it's not?

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Ok guys. Read my post again.

-I don't think scum would pretend to be drunk
-I think scum are less likely to drunkpost than town, since scum have to be more careful
-I think if scum did drunkpost, it would look really scummy

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Ok I will

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I'd think scum would give a fuck if they were scumread.

Again, I don't see a reason for scum to fake drunk posting, it would take too much effort for probably not that much reward.

PEdit: if this is really helping you sort me at this point I'll continue the conversation, but it doesn't seem like it...

PEdit 2: Scum can pretend not to be cautious but fundamentally they have to be more careful than town because it's a bigger loss to their team if they are lynched

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Dreal can you summarize why keyser is scum?

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Towny enough I think.

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I'd think scum would give a fuck if they were scumread.

Again, I don't see a reason for scum to fake drunk posting, it would take too much effort for probably not that much reward.

PEdit: if this is really helping you sort me at this point I'll continue the conversation, but it doesn't seem like it...

PEdit 2: Scum can pretend not to be cautious but fundamentally they have to be more careful than town because it's a bigger loss to their team if they are lynched

I think we have a few misunderstandings here

everyone should give a fuck if they are scumread - it's matter of if your giving-a-fuck is townminded or not and if you can replicate that as scum and how well it comes off

but...the initial point should be I guess that it seems to me you are assuming that scum wouldn't drunk post and so if it SEEMS like they are drunk posting that they'd then actually be faking it and to do that is too risky and so they must be town?! that is alll sorts of horrible convuluted assumptions that will just get you in trouble if that is your stance

if it can be seen as towny to real drunk-post, then scum absolutely without a doubt would real drunk-post, it doesn't get more complicated than that - if you're trying to be/replicate your towny and it is something you'd do as town, you do it

faking it doesn't need to come into the equation is my point, but since it has, yes, scum could absolutely pretend to drunkpost to excuse their shitplay (but it is infact shitplay to begin with, and I think you'd agree to that, but that doesn't mean scum wouldn't do it, ppl play badly as scum all of the time and part of the issue around here is that people excuse bad scum play as "oh he wouldn't do that as scum it's bad" - ummm, yes, yes they would if they're not so good at being scum, and no one is 100% on their game all of the time, sooo, using being drunk as an excuse to your suckage is totally possible scumplay)

See I don't know why scum would think it could be seen as towny to drunkpost. I haven't seen anyone other than myself ever say that. If scum didn't think they'd get townread from it, I don't see why they'd do it at all since there's a higher risk of slipping and scummy posting. Yes, it's possible a scum would think it's a good idea to drunkpost

and

be able to do it somewhat effectively, but that's relatively unlikely because it requires a specific type of scum. So I townread it. Make sense?

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See I don't know why scum would think it could be seen as towny to drunkpost.

no

you are missing the fundmental point

if someone is town and they get drunk and post, if it is something they'd do as town, then it should be something they'd do as scum, every other point is irrelevant to that primary point

Ok but there are quite a few scum playstyle that are quite cautious and would shy away from something like that for the reasons I stated earlier. And there would also be some people who wouldn't be able to do it effectively.

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Again, I never said no one would ever do it at all. I'm not arguing zulfy is confirmed town. I'm arguing he's more likely to be town because of the drunk posting.

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But you have convinced me that the drunk posting isn't as towny as I thought it was before.

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I disagree that good scum replicate their towngames indiscriminately. They have to be more careful to get townread in certain places where they might be scumread as town, or in other places like that. I think drunk posting might be one of those places.

And just like you can't assume players are bad at scum, you can't assume they're good at scum. If a player would have to be good at scum to be scum, that's enough for a weak townread imo. Otherwise I'd never have weak townreads.

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Btw zulfy is in fact a weak townread, I didn't say it explicitly in my readslist but yeah

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Why single out my zulfy read when you could argue other with the same logic (e.g. fire reaction testing keyser)

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You guys already know my opinion and reasoning. If you don't, reread that exchange again.

I'm tired of this conversation

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You could be, but the interaction between you two is off so I somewhat doubt it.

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I still sense that Infinity hasn't ISOed me so I'll just sit here and remain my vote.

Is there something specific you want me to find, or what?

I'm gonna

Fire - lean town for reaction testing Keyser and gut

Did you mean reaction testing Keyen? (on Day 2)
You scum-read Keyen correct?
I'm wondering what you liked about Fire's reaction test, if you came out with two different conclusions...?

It didn't have anything to do with his conclusion, it had to do with the way he went about it. The thought progression around that time was odd on the surface but made sense and wanting to reaction test someone you're unsure of makes sense from a town mindset, and I don't always see scum do those kinds of things.

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Find my roleclaim

Already saw it.

What about it?

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There's not much to say, it's basically a VT claim. Maybe seeing the timing of it will change something, but the claim itself is completely NAI as far as I can tell.

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I currently town-lean drealmerz7 (as I share his doubt/limitation-theory/frustrations of the vote-lockdown-gameplan)

On the same page you said that mechanics talk is NAI, why is it AI here?

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Ok, I tend to agree with that.

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I'm on page 12 and ugh do I seriously have to read through all this

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I'm never an easy lynch

I'm easy target

and people need to learn to fucking listen to me (like, I say it repeatedly, when I'm town, to be HELPFUL)

and so I say it again here

don't think you are going to be able to meta-read me unless you've played over 10 games with me AND EVEN THEN (you will realize) that it's not really helpful - I switch my shit up intentionally

AND, me raging at stupid arguments/bad play, is totally NAI - BUT I DO DO IT MORE OFTEN AS TOWN, but it's nothing to get a good read by, at all

Okay, just let me clarify: I'm not scumreading you. I believe you're town despite of how fake your angry emotion sounds like. However, your scumread of Grey doesn't mean he's scum.

PEdit: Okay. I just want to say that you'll be proven wrong if I'm the lynch of D1

What made you think dreal is town, despite the anger sounding fake to you? What changed from when you called dreal scum in 189 to when you townread him?

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Like, me catching up is going to take a while so I need to engage with people more to get into the game really

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It just seems like there's not a lot of stuff I can use to solve compared to the amount of useless/NAI shit. But if you guys really think it's necessary, I'll read the whole thread.

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Then what's the point of reading the thread if I don't know people's thought process at the time

Ugh

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Ok I guess

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No. I'd think both are possible though.

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I'm liking keyser a little less as I reread. I don't really agree with grey's push on him, but I don't like the way he dealt with the grey/dreal spat. He called it TvT but didn't do much to try to address it or work past it.

I'd still say he's on the town side of null though, and I still think keyen/keyser is S/T.

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I don't really like how drealmerz is sounding.

Oh stop, they're not really scum.

Just a butthurt townie with shit thoughts.

I never said he's scum.

Yea but what were you implying saying you do not like how he is sounding ? If it wasnt that he was scum you wouldve explained it but you didnt. Also your answer is semantic based when you know grey said that because your sentence implied dreal might be scum or that you scumread them

Mmm

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So you think only town-Fire/town would perform reaction tests?

........no

Hidden Strike: Keyenpedee

I was intending to save this ability for LYLO.

I just sacrificed my hidden vote to shoot Keyen.

if that shot is real why'd you use it on keyen when you've been scumreading me the entire game?

Hmm, I think I'm gonna take a break from mafia after this game

What did you actually think about both Drealmerz's and Keyen's reaction to the fake day vig shot?[/quote]

Dreal's was NAI

keyen's was mainly NAI too but slightly scummy since I think town would be likely to claim town if they thought it was real

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Well it's "VT" in terms of this game where everyone has a double vote.

It's NAI cause...it is. There's nothing to analyze with that claim, town or scum could be that role. I'd have to look at the context to get any kind of read out of it.

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I don't see myself claiming an alpha vote if it is a scum role. I'm not a good scum player tbh, so I really can't see a reason why am I scum because of my alpha vote.

...why wouldn't you?

Ok, right now I'm trying to consolidate what you think is alignment indicative and NOT alignment indicative.

(Right now, it seems to me that you're picking and choosing strange things to flag as alignment indicative to fit your read I.e Zulfy's drunk posting and Fire's day vig reaction test...)

If there's any way I could help with that, tell me. If you think my categories look arbitrary, I don't know what to tell you. Sometimes my thought process looks weird, but there are always reasons behind it if you ask.

I actually liked Drealmerz's and Keyen's reaction:

- Drealmerz quite rightly thought: "WTF? Why the hell have you shot Keyen, you've been pushing me all the time you scum f**k"

- Keyen's defeated reaction felt genuine too: "F**k this game, I'm outta here"

I don't see why scum wouldn't ask a question about something that seemed odd, just like town.

Why couldn't scum be defeated in the same way? A dayvig d1 would be frustrating, no doubt.

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@Fire: I don't know why no one corrected you after this long, but keyen only has 2 votes like the rest of us. Also, why was keyen's reaction towny?

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Keyen doesn't have a normal hidden vote. He has a normal vote and an alpha vote, that's it.

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I only have 2 votes.

1 vote that will be shared publicly.
1 vote that is alpha and functions as a hidden vote (that's just only written in an alpha symbol)

I don't have an extra vote if you are referring at that.

If you can't spell my whole name correctly, use Keyen instead. I also have only 2 votes. 1 public, 1 alpha

@fire

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I also want to know why you townread the reaction. I want people to engage with me so I can sort people and develop better reads...

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What was your opinion of grey, infinity?

I saw his flip before I read I believe, but I'm pretty sure I would've townread him.

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Btw infinity why go after keyser specifically when everyone (correct me if I'm wrong, was awol at the time) pretty much had a hands off approach to grey vs drealm?

Keyser and keyen were the only other active players at the time really.

I didn't like keyen's behavior around that spat either, but he did more to move past it imo than keyser did.

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that hurts

I don't know how anyone can TR that, seriously

Well I would've been right so

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grey, the most anti-town towny ever?

Anti-town =//////= scum

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And I know site meta and shit but that's my view on things.

Can we lynch keyen?

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I'll hidden vote there too.

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According to his profile, he's 14. Why?

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Also hi pine

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Zulfy isn't trying to look town.

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Yes. That's correct.

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Well, maybe. I still think he's correct in general though.

I'm thinking about fire trying to come up with reasons to townread keyen. Approaching it that way so blatantly would be silly for a scumbuddy, but it's a little suspicious if keyen is town.

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Why would town fucking lie? I'll also explain why I think drealmerz and grey are TvT

@keyenpeydee

What was the deciding factor(s) that made you switch from:

But I think you're

scum

since you sounding angry feels

fake as fuck

and threatening to replace out just feels

fake as fuck

too.

To, 15 minutes later...:

Like I can see grey and drealmerz being both

town

.

I think this is

TvT

tho

I CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH SO MUCH SO PLEASE ASK ME A QUESTION BEFORE SAYING THIS AND THAT SO I CAN CLARIFY.

Okay so first when I was reading it, Drealmerz is trying to point out like "WE SIGNED UP FOR THIS FUCKING GAME BLA BLA BLA WE NEED TO USE THE MECHANIC" -- which on that time I understand and let him use the mechanic, but I disagree why grey is scum for not using the mechanic he signed up for. I disagree on his scumread on grey, but I didn't like which really felt fake as fuck is how angry he's sounding, which feels like he "uses" it to push and lynch for Grey.

Short explanation: He uses his angry emotion, which felt fake, to lynch and push Grey for the reasons I'm disagreeing.

So why do I think Grey and dreal are TvT?

Grey's strategy was making our hidden vote revealed, which I'd like to do. Dreal is saying that we should use the mechanic. But are those opposing strategy make: (in Dreal's POV) make Grey scum? No. (In Grey's POV) make Dreal scum? No.
Both strategies are acceptable to scumhunt. I consider using both.

That's why I think they're both town and why I think Drealz is town too.

This stuff feels like an overreaction and is just terrible. I don't see how dreal is town because disagreeing with grey doesn't make him scum, that makes no sense. Especially when the anger "feels fake". Like, grey says dreal is scum for wanting to conceal votes. Keyen disagrees with that reason. Then if I interpret this correctly, keyen says dreal is town because he disagrees with that reason. What?

Keyen, if you remember what's going on here, please explain.

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I am satisfied with keyenpeydee's defense (post #489, post #493). I think it explains the contradiction in keyen's change of perspective.

Does anyone disagree?

Yes, I disagree. Maybe you can explain it to me?

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I'm going to have to do an ISO of keyser at some point, sticking with my slight lean town read is kind of lazy

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yes many times

Do you think he pushed us (through use of aggression, trolling, ATE, tunneling, confirmation-bias) to:
- try and force a miss-lynch?
- to fake a turn-around-town-read and try to pocket us?


Right now, my perspective is: he's a townie who's proud of his self-acclaimed 'effective' scum-hunting methods and he needed to push us in that manner to gain a thorough read on us. (Whatever the collateral cost or reflex attention he would personally receive).

Yes I agree with this

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This stuff feels like an overreaction and is just terrible. I don't see how dreal is town because disagreeing with grey doesn't make him scum, that makes no sense. Especially when the anger "feels fake". Like, grey says dreal is scum for wanting to conceal votes. Keyen disagrees with that reason. Then if I interpret this correctly, keyen says dreal is town because he disagrees with that reason. What?

Keyen, if you remember what's going on here, please explain.

@Infinity

You are making things so complicated and I think you're misunderstanding everything. I might try to explain what I can remember at that time. Let's head to the anger of dreal first. He came in so angry that it felt fake af. But he said it's actually his playstyle or something he always do, so no matter how I felt fake it was, I would consider it town as it is "something he always do".

As for Grey and Dreal, both who got into a fight because of the strategies stated, I think they're not scum because of that. Their opposing strategies doesn't make anyone scum. Grey wants the hidden vote should be revealed public, which I think isn't a scumtell and Dreal wants the hidden votes hidden, isn't a scumtell. So, my interpretation on their fight is town. Both strategies I can do.

If you're gonna twist things, I will choose not to answer you even if it causes my lynch. If you still don't understand everything, go and state it so I can clarify and talk to you. This is also a month ago, and a lot had happened, so you scumreading me for old stuffs aren't worth for my lynch.

Fair enough with the meta point, I just don't see why you didn't say that earlier.

I still don't understand what actually caused you to townread dreal from this. Why can't he be scum who is taking on a different playstyle as opposed to town who is doing he same thing?

I'm not trying to twist anything, I'm just trying to give my thoughts. I don't, however, think it's fair to ask me to ignore things in the past just because they happened a long time ago. You still had the same role pm then, and they can still be used to determine your alignment.

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Agree with 2065

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As soon as I have a satisfactory read on Zulfy, KainTepes and Flubber we lynch.

Day One Micro is as easy as that. Non-activity is slowing down that process though.

I want opinions on this post and posts like it. I can't tell whether it's LAMIST or genuine gamesolving, or if I'm just overthinking it. Keyser has a lot of posts like this.

Pine, is being obstinate and counterproductive scummy to you?

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grey just got a whiff of confidence because his wagon suddenly diminished and now he is a being a scumfuck outright because he likes to get away with that shit

I still think dreal is town, but...

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Oh yeah I didn't talk about that read more. Basically dreal is relatively solid town now, I decided my reasons to scumread him (overreaction and calling grey scum in twilight) were just based on dreal things and tunneling respectively.

PEdit: fair

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Yeah I think I just overthink posts like that.

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Ok the push on joey to explain why he scumreads keyser looks very town to me. Scum being wagoned would want to let the read be (if it wasn't threatening) or fight back against it in some way. Having joey try to convince the rest of the town why keyser is scum shows a level of confidence very unusual for scum. It's also a very towny mindset; it shows that he's genuinely trying to get joey to show his true colors as opposed to just trying to put out a read on him or question him just to question him. Even if keyser was confident scum who wanted to try to appear more town, it would've been so easy to conclude that joey's read lacked "oomph" (which it did, to some extent) and continue trying to mislynch him for that. Instead, keyser wants to find out whether there's real meat behind the read. I'm comfortable calling keyser town now.

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but the "air" about him has been an increasingly growing confidence of "ohyes! I'm such a helpful towny look at me go!"

I make some LAMIST posts, but, he's just laying 'em out there like he's putting down shingles

Talk to me about this.

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I'm actually gonna support the Keyser lynch since I have no reason to Town Read him + the cases being presented are actually convincing to lynch Keyser.

If yall planning to lynch me D2 then I'll claim who I am tomorrow.

PEdit: Why though?

Ewww

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Why?

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@dreal, look at it from my perspective -
do you think scum-keyen would have been a bit more strategic in the way he wanted to push through my miss-lynch on D1?
He'd been speed-lynched on D2.

I don't like this "too scummy to be scum" argument. Scum sometimes just play badly or think they can get away with things like that.

Can everyone claim where their D1 vote was:

[L+1] -Grey- - Joey_, Caesar Wills It, <Vote>, Zulfy, <Vote>, <Vote>, drealmerz7, <Vote>, keyenpeydee, <α>
[L-10] drealmerz7 -
[L-10] Fire Assassin -
[L-10] keyenpeydee -
[L-5] Joey_ - Fire Assassin, <Vote>, <Vote>, <Vote>, Flubbernugget,
[L-10] Flubbernugget -
[L-10] Keyser Söze -
[L-9] Zulfy - <Vote>
[L-9] Caesar Wills It - -Grey-

Not Voting - Keyser Söze

Assume it was on grey, if you want I'll pm the mod.

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but the "air" about him has been an increasingly growing confidence of "ohyes! I'm such a helpful towny look at me go!"

I make some LAMIST posts, but, he's just laying 'em out there like he's putting down shingles

Talk to me about this.

I don't know what more to say that I haven't said but I'll go at it again.

keyser is still my #1 scumread because I feel like most of his posts are a lot of posturing. I get a strong strong sense/feeling that he is fake-forcing towniness. Like I've said, each post he makes practically screams of it to me at this point and I can't even barely engage him because he's all "BUT NO IT CAN'T BE, LAMIST!"

Ok back to this. Imo, everyone to some extent posts thoughts just to show people where they're at, so why can keyser be a much more...extreme version of that? Also I don't really think keyser's are super forced, if you do maybe you can give examples of that?

Still only on page 32, sorry guys.

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Also dreal, what do you think about 2770

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2077

lol

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I want to engage with you about this.

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We need more input from zulfy and pine.

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@Mod: Are we getting an extension or what?

Honestly we kind of just need a lynch.

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I guess

why won't you engage me about the keyser read

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I guess I wanted you to respond to 2077 and 2100 with your counter arguments

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You made your argument. I made a counterargument. I also gave a reason for keyser!town.

This complacency is unusual from you

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Keyen's foreign and young and his <a> doesn't make much sense as a scum role.

How is any of that alignment indicative?

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I really don't understand what you mean

we have different reads on the slot

I understand your read, even if I don't agree with it, I think you understand my disagreement with it because

you understand my read

what else is there? I'm no being complacent I just don't know what you want from me

if you want to engage me about it engage me about it with some thoughts I guess???

I don't understand what your disagreement is with 2077

I thought my questions in 2100 were pretty clear

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The mod better give us an extension

Right now we just need a lynch to stop the game from stagnating so I'll honestly go anywhere where there's support. The problem is...there isn't much support anywhere.

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Keyser and pine, please vote. Thank you

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Spoiler: Zulfy Post

- VoteCount 1.10 -

With 18 votes in play, it's 10 to lynch!

[L-9]

-Grey- -

<Vote>

[L-10]

drealmerz7 -

[L-10]

Fire Assassin -

[L-10]

keyenpeydee -

[L-9]

Joey_ -

Keyser Söze

[L-9]

Flubbernugget -

<Vote>

[L-4]

Keyser Söze -

KainTepes, Flubbernugget, <Vote>, <Vote>, -Grey-, drealmerz7

[L-8]

Zulfy -

Fire Assassin, <Vote>

[L-10]

KainTepes -

Not Voting

-

<Vote>, <Vote>, <α>, keyenpeydee, Zulfy, <Vote>, Joey_

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-02-18 21:00:00)

I'll start with this and make my back. Page to page catch ups are a drag.

Things are simple did you know? Just make sure every vote is genuine.

I need to verify bolded. Lost the first link I'm sorry.

- no-one was going to support drealmerz7 on the Grey wagon, and I was willing to defend Grey at that time. Grey vs Drealmerz has been entertaining but it

didn't amount to any serious scum-case or wagon.

Then we come to Joey_'s wagon.

I had expressed

great uncomfort

with his interactions with Grey in regard me.

[did you stay up too late Keyser?] Grey joined the wagon too. A hidden vote was resting on his slot (unclaimed?). Fire Assassin said he'd vote anyone he wasn't town-reading.

Plus, I sensed his wagon would more likely gain momentum. However, I hate injustice. Thus, I wanted to let Joey have a fair trial and fully express his scum-read of me and let him prove to me that he wasn't scum. I was firm and aggressive, but I achieved my two goals.

oh and in case anyone is wondering why I haven't been engaging keyser soze much with all his...

doings

...

is because I haven't wanted to be drawn into his charade

ohya no fug that

VOTE: keyser soze

Like,

I could understand your theory

of it was a Keyser Zulfy duo and Keyser bussed Zulfy, but less likely with keyenpeydee.

Both scum being center stage on d1 in a micro would be poor strategy, for one thing.

keyenpeydee has been in the limelight for a considerable amount of time.

Hard distancing on d1 could easily turn into a lollynch, and that'd be traffic for scum in a micro.

hmmm, I took it to mean a different phrasing, but, I could be mistaken, I was thinking it was more "what, in your opinion is informative", not TO you, but what, to YOU - fucking english language

oh and he's doing a lot of manipulating of the gamestate, a lot of it is open and deliberate which is masking a lot of the scum-factor of it

if I wanted to go into more specifics at themoment, I would

@Zulfy - you have the most playing experience with me (both as scum and town).

I think you adding your personal thoughts on my town/scum meta/playstyle would be very interesting (in relation to my play this game). Joey expressed earnest belief that this was scum-Keyser this game.

Not only for my own ears, but for everyone too - it is good information for today and tomorrow.

If you want to catch up with the game as a whole before you do that - I respect that x

This is noted I think I'll just mix it in.

No one is roleclaiming / quick-hammering until the following picture improves:

1) we find out the current votecount

2) the following players need to invest their detective skills in solving the game:

Zulfy (22 posts)
Fire Assassin* (19 posts)
Flubbernugget (13 posts)
KainTepes (3 posts)

Their post counts are inclusive of RVS / filler / non-scum-hunting talk / prod-dodging / personal chat too.

I would like to think all my posts have been sufficiently dense.

Excuse me have to go.

Will be back.

These are Zulfy posts.
I don't want to hit anyone with the "You haven't done anything" thing, because first off, with Zulfy that tends to be more of something he would do as town as far as I know him. Meta argument aside here.

But these are weak in terms of what he was trying to look for and I don't see the point in these posts at all. Then followed up by "gotta go".

Zulfy if you are going to have more time you think later for this game like some thoughts more than just quotes of players.
If you don't, might be best to replace out.

Agree with this, my townread on zulfy is starting to weaken

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but the "air" about him has been an increasingly growing confidence of "ohyes! I'm such a helpful towny look at me go!"

I make some LAMIST posts, but, he's just laying 'em out there like he's putting down shingles

I would be interested if you elaborated on the acceptable threshold of lamist posts for town

it's not a matter of threshold, I suppose, it's a matter of it being used as a conscious tactic

your attempt to simplify it into a matter of threshold pings me a bit

How can you tell when it's a conscious tactic?

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I think the deliberateness and the theatricalness is more of a playstyle thing than an alignment thing. (see: mastina)

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Ok. I can't argue with feels. I still have a hard time imagining that push on Joey to explain his scumread of keyser coming from scum.

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Also grey if you're reading this, please vote

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Still not lynching Keyser.
Please consolidate wagons.

I'd rather lynch Fire Assasin since he's avoiding D1 as he stated. He doesn't strike me as a protown either

(Oh, I don't fucking care who'll be lynched D1 as long as it's not my townread)

VOTE: FA

Why can't this just be playstyle?

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OKAY I FUCKING ROLE CLAIM AS AN ALPHA SKELETON WHO'S ALIGNED WITH TOWN.

THAT ALPHA VOTE IS MINE.

This claim is more town than scum but could still come from scum

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Because getting frustrated with townies going on a wild goose chase is mildly towny

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I want to lynch keyen or maybe pine today.

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But I can compromise if need be, I guess. Zulfy is the weakest townread based on logic...but I'm just not really feeling scum!him

Fire would be the next weakest.

Anyone else I'd need a lot of convincing.

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NO.
I think I should be the one who needs to be lynched.
I no longer want to defend myself. I give up.

Key is town. He needs to be in this game.

Lynch me instead.

PEdit: VOTE: Keyen

This does not look town

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Usually when town selfvotes it's because they're frustrates, and that's not really the case here

I don't see a reason for town!keyen to give up so early when he's relatively invested

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Flubber is town

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Aero should give us an extension

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Maybe

I still hope we get an extension though

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Hopefully we can role keyen

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Lynch* keyen

And yeah, good idea.

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What's going on

We're almost done with our 2 day extension and I don't even know who the biggest wagon is

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I am now caught up, and I kind of regret reading all that.

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Is pine a townread for you dreal? If so why?

Zulfy, I want you to go in as much detail as you can with your keyen read. Any of your reads actually.

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Pine needs to get in here and give reads

So does flubber

and zulfy

zzz why did I replace into this game

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Fire what's your case on dreal again?

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Pfft

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No not really tbh

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I don't object

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Wait don't you scumread keyen?

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If you guys continue the game and get a backup mod I'll play. Otherwise, I don't care that much if we abandon this

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I was:

Spoiler:

mafia

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Oh well.

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Yes

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WHY!? and, who? if you don't mind revealing

if the other maf reveals I'll reveal my role

I think it was Joey, idk why

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The other scum can reveal themselves if they want