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Are you comfortable with Tenshi's play so far? If so, why?
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Too early to be sure, but you're a lead and I'm going to start here.In post 37, Tenshii wrote:To you, am I scum or bad town?-
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In post 44, Maxous wrote:I don't have a particular issue with him, if I did I wouldn't of asked.
VOTE: AJ the Epic
Frankly, that's quite a loaded question.
My vote shows we have an active disagreement. Your vote shows you're unable to discuss it.-
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You're being two-faced, calling me passive-aggressive and doing exactly the same thing.
The REAL ridiculous issue here is you won't continue a discussion on a player at all! It's page 2, do you want the fucking manifesto on why tenshii is scummy? I wasn't telling you "Yeah I need you to write me a 5 page paper", but you refused to do anything. You're choosing to not communicate for no real explained reason and it isn't a good look for you.-
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Speaking frankly, I've liked no one's play thus far and think they could all use to get their ass in gear and post. LuV's play this game actually bothers me, and I consider myself fairly aquatinted with his bad habits of sounding scummy early. Here particularly, he's been as brief as possible with no real advancement to the game. I would argue that schadd's reasoning isn't well put together, the vote placement/timing isn't bad by itself.
Tenshii's white noise was bothering me because there wasn't anything productive that could come from it, up until roughly post 49. early in the game, scum can try and post a lot to integrate easier/get in with the 'town block'.
Temphq's post on 'tvt or svs' is pretty bad too. I'd probably only make a preliminary call on Hiraki being town this early. Depending on his next post, I'd be interested in looking into lynching Schadd but right now I think I prefer Temphq.
VOTE: Temphq-
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Quite simply because it's so non-committal. Yeah he's implicitly saying 'its not scumVtown' but what does that solve for this? He doesn't ascertain first off WHY he thinks it could be scum theatre, and town v town is the statistically most likely outcome. Taking over 2/3s of the possible results as 'what's happening here' with no reasoning why is NOT a good look.In post 83, Tenshii wrote:I can't really understand any scum motivation behind this unless temphdq is scum with one of Maxous or AJ.-
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Sure but I'm arguing his responses are noncommittal and for something like a statement of 'yeah it's tvt or svs' which is inherently broad and hasIn post 86, Tenshii wrote:You can't argue for lack of elaboration when most of the playerlist, including yourself, hasn't done so.completely different meaningsin each case, it DOES warrant justification on why he has such vastly different opinions.
Also Hiraki I can't imagine you making a single weaker vote than that. You:
1) Used another player's reasoning
2) And that player's reasoning isn't even really a good one, seeing as it was after a secondary or tertiary point on temphq
3) List random shit towntells with little information, which contradicts the point you're playing with
4) the line 'mostly for what tenshii said but nothing more' is stupid.-
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This seems like an overreaction.In post 111, horrordude0215 wrote:Quick catchup, hooray.
White noise? It was page 1 and it appeared to be pretty standard RVS talk. Also, at the time Schadd had made 5 posts to tenshii's 6 on Page 1. Both of them had been cluttering the thread, why only single out tenshii?In post 25, Aj The Epic wrote:VOTE: Tenshii
Any more white noise and we'd have to use Malcolm X to save this game.
In post 48, Aj The Epic wrote:You're being two-faced, calling me passive-aggressive and doing exactly the same thing.
The REAL ridiculous issue here is you won't continue a discussion on a player at all! It's page 2, do you want the fucking manifesto on why tenshii is scummy? I wasn't telling you "Yeah I need you to write me a 5 page paper", but you refused to do anything. You're choosing to not communicate for no real explained reason and it isn't a good look for you.
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I swear I've explained the first part. It's not content that could've added to discussion in any meaningful way, it's just Tenshii trying to slip into the game early and establish a presence via spamposting. Seeing his activity's quick decline, I think it's definitely something to keep an eye on as a forced habit as opposed to a general playstyle.
My post to Max isn't an overreaction in my eyes. His post was pretty stupid in the fact that he's refusing to answer a question and stating I gave a loaded question. It wasn't loaded: Max was showing very clearly he thought Tenshii was town. Instead, he just voted. To me, that was a clear signal of a disinterest to discuss tenshii or anything regarding tenshii. That's why I was so pissed off when he's saying I'm being passive aggressive when all I wanted is a fucking answer and maybe even a discussion to boot. Yeah I still can't townread Max because he tried so hard to shut down any sort of discussion we could've had regarding Tenshii there.
P-edit: Yeah nice explanation Maxous.
Fuck this, Max is scum. No one makes these reads without having a red PM.
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That's definitely a pot/kettle line of posts. And it's even funnier because:
In this post, you point out MAX hasn't answered your questions (and has yet to do so). You got some treatment differences here between players. Explain that.In post 119, Tenshii wrote:
Nah the game barely started. It'll happen.In post 101, Aj The Epic wrote:And let this be a lesson to you all. No one snipes Umlaut 4 times in a row!
Why did you opt to scumread him then instead of questioning the read then?In post 97, Aj The Epic wrote:Sure but I'm arguing his responses are noncommittal and for something like a statement of 'yeah it's tvt or svs' which is inherently broad and has completely different meanings in each case, it DOES warrant justification on why he has such vastly different opinions.
Maxous answer plz.In post 50, Tenshii wrote:
Why is it loaded?In post 44, Maxous wrote:Frankly, that's quite a loaded question.
Why did I suspect Temp instead of questioning him? Because his post was scummy. I gave him something to respond to, reiterated it. I stated that depending on his next post, he could move it. He never posted again, the vote stuck. Vote first isn't an issue here with a clear-stated condition for what I expect the voted party to show me. And before you pull 'coaching' out of your ass, I was the only one brining Temphq up and forcing pressure on him instead of going after Max's assigned target, schadd.
Scum avoiding inquisition? No, wondering in what world town plays like this? Absolutely. You're pulling this nonsense of "oh you're suspecting too many people". No, I'm forcing someone to show up and play town. There's no shade-throwing, I've been direct and open with everything I've said here. You're acting like I'm not going after motives, but apparently you haven't read many of my posts. Just because I'm telling you how I'm seeing it:
That's ALL motive hunting. It's contestable, it can spark conversation, it's supposed to ADD TO THE DISCUSSION. Guess who's got the onus to follow up and discuss motives and who fucking drops the ball again and again? My entire contribution to this game has gone after people who haven't been playing to a town wincon this game, from Hiraki using weak reasoning, to Temphq being noncommittal to you using spam posts early to try and get a foothold in this game. Do I NEED to question motives? No,In post 57, Aj The Epic wrote:LuV's play this game actually bothers me, and I consider myself fairly aquatinted with his bad habits of sounding scummy early. Here particularly, he's been as brief as possible with no real advancement to the game. I would argue that schadd's reasoning isn't well put together, the vote placement/timing isn't bad by itself.
Tenshii's white noise was bothering me because there wasn't anything productive that could come from it, up until roughly post 49. early in the game, scum can try and post a lot to integrate easier/get in with the 'town block'.that'sshade tossing. I tell you how I see it and I expect you to respond.-
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How do you fit three scum into this game...
Tenshii, you don't even consider the possibility of missing it on a read. That's you looking for a guilty on flimsy reasons. Yes my vote stayed on a slot that didn't respond. Please explain to me the part where I am telepathic and knew they were about to flake and how that's a sane/reasonable justification.
Tenshii, my playstyle isn't guilty until proven innocent. Nice attempt to generalize shit again for no reason but to advance your case. You're acting like scum, I'm calling you for it.-
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In post 157, Tenshii wrote:No misreps. Just facts.
Misrep 1 and 2. Not pushing Temph at all? And also your 'summary' is absolutely a misrep.In post 154, Tenshii wrote:Aj is scum because
1) He's trying to push the Temph slot by painting one of Temph's read as scummy, even though it was NAI.
2) His play can be summed up to "throwing shade around and seeing where it sticks." He isn't trying to actively sort/question motives. Essentially, he's immediately jumping to calling something scummy instead of considering it possibly being town as well.-
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Yes.
My question to you is, do you think this game can advance without someone trying to drive it forward? The game's about as inactive as can be without people getting replaced and people are literally prod-dodging and not having an opinion on what's going on. In my opinion, someone needs to do something so I'm going to push what I see needs to be done. Please make it easier for scum to lurk by doing nothing.In post 169, horrordude0215 wrote:Based on AJ's recent reactions (trying to go powertown and dictate to everyone who the lynch is going to be), Hiraki's vote on him feels like a weak attempt to bus a partner. If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.
That being said, we still have a week before deadline. I'm not quite ready to L-1 him yet - we have a lot of day to go.-
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How about you contributing your thoughts now? That's a prod dodge with nothing more than "Yeah let's get a lynch so I can contribute less".In post 173, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Prolonging the day doesn't do any good. What do you want to accomplish before you put him at L-1?In post 172, horrordude0215 wrote:
Did you not see where I said I wasn't going to L-1 AJ with a week left before deadline?In post 171, Hiraki wrote:
says the person voting meIn post 169, horrordude0215 wrote:If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.-
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I've been aggressive since page 2 when max decided to be as roundabout as he could answering questions.
Tenshii has been using really garbage logic for me ("he's not hunting motivations", "He's scum ignoring my questions") and I wasn't going to deal with the bullshit logic that because I gave Temphq conditions to my vote, I was coaching him.In post 183, Sobolev Space wrote:@AJ -
Can you explain what you mean by the bolded part here?In post 147, Aj The Epic wrote:Why did I suspect Temp instead of questioning him? Because his post was scummy. I gave him something to respond to, reiterated it. I stated that depending on his next post, he could move it. He never posted again, the vote stuck. Vote first isn't an issue here with a clear-stated condition for what I expect the voted party to show me.And before you pull 'coaching' out of your ass, I was the only one brining Temphq up and forcing pressure on him instead of going after Max's assigned target, schadd.-
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I've given specific examples to the contrary.In post 197, Tenshii wrote:Bullshit. All you're doing is calling things scum and if it misses you just go to the next guy. You aren't questioning motivations and you were dodging questions.-
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Yes and your arguments have gotten stale enough that no one cares.In post 234, Tenshii wrote:Active lurking my ass. I've been pushing the crap out of Aj.-
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Toto, I still want to hear more about LuV. Because my soft conclusion has been he's probably the most likely scum right now (given his response in post 173, and post 204).
Actually, thinking on it: LuV's conclusion in 203 contradicts his conclusion in 173. If you're not clicking links, 173 is his "let's end the day now" post and 203 is his "I think Aj/Max is tvt" explanation, from his earlier statement that Tenshii/Max/Myself is tvtvt.
So in LuV's own progression he's showing a weakness of consistency, and his reads are, as I've stated, weak. Knowing you're on him being town, can you give me some reasons why I shouldn't help him get lynched today?-
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So of the count of people who have a basic obligation to contribute their full thoughts on what's going on right now because it's currently not sufficient:
Darklyn
LuV
Hiraki
Horrordude
Soblov
Tenshii
If you're on this list, I need you to give your current thoughts about the gamestate and probably a few reads. Tenshii, while being active, has asked too many questions for me to really get an idea on where he stands.-
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No. I'm surprised you got that feeling anywhere in reading my last post.In post 250, Darklyn wrote:
All you gotta do is trust me. You do trust me, don't you AJ?In post 249, Aj The Epic wrote:Yeah see I don't like running off no reasons. You're new in the game, I need you to give me WHY you're leaning one way or another.-
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Here's my opinion on this bullshit you and max have about me controlling the game: If you don't like it, post.
Review ANY of my games as town or scum. I normally post middle/low to activity of the game and like to provide insight. My play here is completely out of necessity of the town's inability to generate activity. So if you take issue with it, I IMPLORE YOU to post and start driving the game.-
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You could definitely show me what's concerning you. If the game gets active, I can back off a bit and become pretty easy to read.In post 297, horrordude0215 wrote:AJ, going through your ISO has made me flip/flop my read on you like 10 times in the last 20 minutes, and that's really annoying. Can you please be either obvtown or obvscum for me?-
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Besides Hiraki's view being objectively wrong, I think the case against luv goes beyond him flaking here.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69502 Scum game
I THINK this is my most recent town game:
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It also would be awesome if you didn't waste space lying about the reasons people wanted LuV lynched.In post 349, Hiraki wrote:The difference in pages would be a factor if we didn't waste 5 pages trying to lynch a lurky player for lurking.-
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Like it's actually atrocious that Max and Darklyn haven't made it to take part in this whatsoever.
There's 0 world where three PRs of this type exist together. One person here (LuV, Horror, Tenshii) IS scum, it's just a matter of who.
I'm not sure if it makes sense to leave all alive. We end up with most dangerous player dead, and a scum/town 50:50.... The only real benefit is if Luv isn't scum and they don't target him, he can make a save on the town inv. role.-
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Yeah scum almost certainly possess a proactive counter in roleblocker/rolestopper.In post 393, Tenshii wrote:
Actually nvm this probably has counterplay if there is scum inside or outside the circleIn post 391, Tenshii wrote:Wait what if we did a PR circle?
LuV saves Horrordude > Horrordude tracks Tenshii > Tenshii watches LuV?-
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