Micro 735: Greater Idea (Day 2 Begins)

[vonflare]

Ego

[vonflare]

Vote keychain

Sparkles is an easy target to vote in order to look like you're scumhunting.

[vonflare]

Vote keychain

Sparkles is an easy target to vote in order to look like you're scumhunting.

As is Keychain

Nah, there's a difference between lynchbait and actual scum.

Also sorry for not announcing L1

[vonflare]

Why would you pick a random vote like that instead of based on the discard list?
VOTE: Agent Sparkles

You discarded a town role of reasonable power.

Like, this post is just so bad. Not only is he using setup spec to try to deflect away from actual scumhunting but also is just going straight for the strongest discard when optimal play is obviously to leave the strongest discard until day 2.

[vonflare]

And I don't know when optimal play was decided, but I don't think I got CCed in. Why would that be the case?

the sparkles situation is self-resolving. He discarded a powerful town role so either he has:

A) an even stronger town role

B) a scum role

either way, the scum (or the scum faction that he is not in, if he is scum) will want to kill him tonight. If he's still alive tomorrow then we can talk. For now let's not waste a lynch on someone who has the highest probability of dying tonight anyway.

[vonflare]

That is quite a confident statement vonflare. And it doesn't sit quite right with me for some reason.

I know I can be abrasive but I type what I think.

[vonflare]

gah

[vonflare]

keychain do you still think sparkles is scum?

[vonflare]

I'm not sure if creature is taking a jab at me or not

due to vax's post above

[vonflare]

I'm willing to trust chick's read on creature

[vonflare]

From my experience playing with creature, he hates rolling scum and is disinterested.

just a gut feeling, this part sounds like something a scum wouldn't say, even about their partner

[vonflare]

People who are voting me due to my assertion that we should not vote sparkles today, are you doing it because you disagree with my assertion or because you think setup spec is scummy?

[vonflare]

This is my first game onsite in like 2 years

[vonflare]

@vonflare:

Can you explain why you brought Keychain to L-1 so early? Basically, were you aware of your position on the wagon, and if so, what was the purpose of the vote?

purpose of the vote was to put keychain at L-1.

I think she's scum, I'm totally fine with that lynch.

[vonflare]

@everyone

is your current vote still your RVS vote, or is your current vote a srs vote?

please answer in your next post

[vonflare]

no, this happens in every game of great idea and its variants. someone makes a giant wall of text explaining the probability of each role corresponding to each person, ultimately resulting in no important information due to WIFOM.

[vonflare]

mildly scum because it doesn't contribute to the game while making it look like you're giving effort, especially since this guy isn't new.

[vonflare]

I give my thoughts on the setup and state that I believe another player is scum

L-1

I'm not the correct lynch, please move elsewhere.

Also, regarding my L1 vote on scumguy I knew it was L1. The apology was for not ANNOUNCING that it was L1, I thought that was obvious.

[vonflare]

Also sorry for not announcing L1

In fact, the wording is not ambiguous. You are misrepping me more than anything

[vonflare]

I like my vote right now.

[vonflare]

Why would you think that halfway through page 1 with (obviously) almost zero substantive discussion would be a good place for a lynch?

honestly I've been playing a lot of IRL mafia lately, that may be a contributing factor.

But mostly because I had a plan from the beginning, to hard apply pressure to the person who scumread someone for discarding a town PR as that's the classic scum play in this game type.

[vonflare]

Keychain is still scum

[vonflare]

keychain what's your opinion of chick's townread on creature

[vonflare]

creature plz

[vonflare]

guys can we lynch keychain now

[vonflare]

Damn auto correct on phone.

Whymafia is the vote

I didn't like their posts.

Von is ok for now but Whymafia is still solid scum.

Whymafia saying he's tempted to hammer doesn't sit well with me as something a town would say.
His explanation for the funnies sounded fake.

Let's just lynch whymafia

so your case is

Whymafia saying he's tempted to hammer doesn't sit well with me

this seems to me like grasping at nothing, like you

want

to find a reason to scumread him. I mean he didn't

actually

hammer, it seems like a reasonable thing to joke about at that stage in the game. Is there any other reasons why you think he is scum that you have not yet vocalized?

[vonflare]

^I got these by ISO screenplay and ctrl+F "whymafia"

he mentions him 8 times. 3 are quotes, 1 is a vote, and these quoted posts are the other 4 times.

[vonflare]

GODDAMIT PAGETOP

[vonflare]

you you're advocating a random lynch?

[vonflare]

Von why chick

Why chick what?

[vonflare]

in an alternate reality this game is currently sparkles vs kairyuu and then we could make jokes about Kira VS L

[vonflare]

and I'm disappointed because thats not the reality I'm in

[vonflare]

It's just like the anime

can we get someone with a Near avvy to replace them

[vonflare]

he proved me wrong

wha did I do

[vonflare]

Keychain brought up a point and you shaded the SHIT out of it for no reason.

hmmmm maybe the reason I 'shaded' it was the fact that I found his post scummy

[vonflare]

hey vax did you decide not to respond to my 216

[vonflare]

That's who I'll vote for
Von Why Chick

wtf does this mean?

why chick what?

[vonflare]

OHHH

you mean Whymafia

I thought you were asking me a question

[vonflare]

chick is null for me but I guess its better than a no-lynch, plus it will give info on creature I guess

[vonflare]

So you either a seer or a wolf. If you were any other scummy alignment this claim puts you out there too much to get killed by a wolf (if they exist).

WIFOM

[vonflare]

sparkles is not the lynch today

[vonflare]

2 people discarded werewolves. Take away your claim. That means there are 6 people left.

technically

its not impossible for someone to be dealt 2 different werewolf cards

[vonflare]

Which means the odds of that happeningn 6 times is 45%.

also this is definitely wrong

[vonflare]

sparkles is not the lynch today

Do you disagree with my posts? What do you see town in Sparkles?

Vonflare

my read is based on the strong discard.

scum wouldn't discard a strong town role IMO as they know they would be first-post scumread and I think its more likely that if you were given a scum role and a STRONG town role you pick the strong town, especially in a low-player-count multi-faction greater idea where any scum has a high chance of being essentially an SK without teammates

[vonflare]

I know its a WIFOMy reason but its the best i've got, nothing in his posts is really speaking to me

[vonflare]

WHy is a WIFOm reason enough to completely veto someome lynch?

I don't have the power to veto a lynch

I'm saying I won't vote for them

[vonflare]

mulch is saying its a safe claim if you are lying

[vonflare]

If we had more time I think chick would live but deadline lynches suck

Pretty sure chick is L2 rn

[vonflare]

lets all switch to keychain

[vonflare]

3 hours people

[vonflare]

Everyone is leaning gut scum on me, sigh.

This is by keychain's own admission, and if is true, then thats the perfect deadline lynch

[vonflare]

creature please vote keychain

I think its a better lynch than chick

[vonflare]

Everyone is leaning gut scum on me, sigh.

This is by keychain's own admission, and if is true, then thats the perfect deadline lynch

[vonflare]

What about Von?

Never mind.
Mulch talked me into staying on Chick

what happened in between these 2 posts? mulch posted like twice

[vonflare]

Vonflare, why did you discard alien vanillizer?

well there's 4 possible scum factions in this game and I didn't want to be on a team by myself. the odds that there's another alien in a 9 player game are quite low, even though I was tempted because its a strong role I decided not to pick it because odds are I'd basically be a SK vanillaizer without BP

[vonflare]

well if after the game it turns out there were people who picked alien I'll be sad

[vonflare]

I think sparkles is a worse lynch than chick

[vonflare]

I think both mulch and sparkles are town

[vonflare]

please vote keychain

[vonflare]

I'm not willing to settle on a sparkles lynch.

keychain is SCUM

[vonflare]

I'm not willing to settle on a sparkles lynch.

keychain is SCUM

Is your rationale purely gut? Why are you so confident?

MY CASE ON KEYCHAIN

I gut read keychain as scum for a long time and I've been paying close attention to his posts, and there's a few things that feel off to me but the biggest one was his post 318

Always useful to have, since I can't exactly ask after you're dead. Thank you. Everyone is leaning gut scum on me, sigh.

If you could go further into your Creature and Vax reads in particular, I'd be interested, but I've only got five minutes before I'm occupied for the next four hours.

If we had more time I think chick would live but deadline lynches suck

Pretty sure chick is L2 rn

I like this lynch but yeah, not great to be trapped at deadline. I'm more worried about a no lynch tbh

the first part is her trying to garner sympathy when its obviously incorrect. if everyone gut scumread her it would be her on the chopping block instead of chickadee. she misreps most people's opinion and appeals to emotion while still directing a lynch at chick by speaking as if chick is already dead

"Always useful to have, since I can't exactly ask after you're dead."

speaking as if chick is already decided as the lynch, like this is already twilight, making it so that suggesting any other lynch seems futile.

The last part of this post, "I'm more worried about a no lynch tbh" is just a justification for pushing the lynch he has set up as unavoidable.

[vonflare]

hello creature please read 385 before you go

[vonflare]

is no one going to comment on my case on keychain

please provide feedback. do you agree? can you vote with me?

[vonflare]

I'm not willing to settle on a sparkles lynch.

keychain is SCUM

Is your rationale purely gut? Why are you so confident?

MY CASE ON KEYCHAIN

I gut read keychain as scum for a long time and I've been paying close attention to his posts, and there's a few things that feel off to me but the biggest one was his post 318

Always useful to have, since I can't exactly ask after you're dead. Thank you. Everyone is leaning gut scum on me, sigh.

If you could go further into your Creature and Vax reads in particular, I'd be interested, but I've only got five minutes before I'm occupied for the next four hours.

If we had more time I think chick would live but deadline lynches suck

Pretty sure chick is L2 rn

I like this lynch but yeah, not great to be trapped at deadline. I'm more worried about a no lynch tbh

the first part is her trying to garner sympathy when its obviously incorrect. if everyone gut scumread her it would be her on the chopping block instead of chickadee. she misreps most people's opinion and appeals to emotion while still directing a lynch at chick by speaking as if chick is already dead

"Always useful to have, since I can't exactly ask after you're dead."

speaking as if chick is already decided as the lynch, like this is already twilight, making it so that suggesting any other lynch seems futile.

The last part of this post, "I'm more worried about a no lynch tbh" is just a justification for pushing the lynch he has set up as unavoidable.

is no one going to comment on my case on keychain

please provide feedback. do you agree? can you vote with me?

[vonflare]

I'm leaving in half an hour so I have very limited time to convince all of you to vote for the scum please interact with me for a little while

[vonflare]

I guess I don't want AS or Chick lynched.

Anyone else besides Key or should I do Key?

vote key

NEXT

[vonflare]

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A MILDLY STRONG CASE IN 385 COULD EVERYONE READ IT AND PROVIDE ME WITH FEEDBACK THANK YOU

[vonflare]

@MULCH

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A MILDLY STRONG CASE IN 385 COULD EVERYONE READ IT AND PROVIDE ME WITH FEEDBACK THANK YOU

@SCREEN

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A MILDLY STRONG CASE IN 385 COULD EVERYONE READ IT AND PROVIDE ME WITH FEEDBACK THANK YOU

@SPARKLE

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A MILDLY STRONG CASE IN 385 COULD EVERYONE READ IT AND PROVIDE ME WITH FEEDBACK THANK YOU

[vonflare]

no one wants to interact with me

[vonflare]

@SCREEN

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A MILDLY STRONG CASE IN 385 COULD EVERYONE READ IT AND PROVIDE ME WITH FEEDBACK THANK YOU

[vonflare]

sorry its just frustrating when people who im trying to interact with respond to other people first I guess haha

[vonflare]

What do you think of Chicadee blatantly lying?

I havent had time to properly iso chick, ill try to do that now

[vonflare]

@SCREEN

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE BULLSHITTED A MILDLY STRONG DISTRACTION IN 385 COULD EVERYONE READ IT AND TELL ME MY SHIT STINKS. THANK YOU

FTFY

ok tell me why keychain is town

[vonflare]

I'm about to pull a Vonflare unless someone responds

feels bad man

[vonflare]

What do you think of Chicadee blatantly lying?

I havent had time to properly iso chick, ill try to do that now

mulch what posts of chick am i specifically looking at here

[vonflare]

@mulch

I think chickadee just thinks tunneling in general is scummy? That's what I'm getting from chick's iso.

It's a weird reason to scumread someone, definitely.

keychain is still scum though, but chick is definitely not confirmed town or anything. I just don't really like how the wagon formed on chick, it felt scum-driven.

[vonflare]

You might be on to something with the misrepping people's reads on her/emotional appeal, but could you explain why you feel like this is to "garner sympathy?" I agree with the point as a whole but that part seems based off a pretty big assumption

I mean she was treating it like the lynch was already decided and was using the rest of the day to build herself up as a sympathetic character or mislynch-bait by stating "everyone scumreads me

sigh

" even while someone else was getting deathwagoned

its an opportunistic way to push someone else's lynch while at the same time gaining townrep

[vonflare]

@mulch

I think chickadee just thinks tunneling in general is scummy? That's what I'm getting from chick's iso.

It's a weird reason to scumread someone, definitely.

keychain is still scum though, but chick is definitely not confirmed town or anything. I just don't really like how the wagon formed on chick, it felt scum-driven.

Fair enough, but why would Chicadee lie and say they had done it?

I mean reading those posts you linked chickadee seemed pretty consistent in her, albiet misguided, reasons for scumreading you

[vonflare]

she just kinda vaguely stated that tunneling is scummy each time

[vonflare]

The main reason i'm defending chickadee here is to convince you to switch to keychain

I'm definitely going to review chick tomorrow but today we need to lynch the scum

[vonflare]

I guess that's true

I interpreted that as "its not your meta that's making me thing you are scummy for tunneling, its just that tunneling is scummy" but I guess you could interpret it as "the way you are tunneling is scummy"

I'll relook at her posts with that interpretation in mind

[vonflare]

I still don't see any blatant contradictions.

she says "i dont think mulch has a good reason to be tunneled"

and then "I think the way you are tunneling is scummy"

those aren't necessarily contradictory, she could believe both. But she could have put both reasons in her first post on the matter, which could indicate either her making up these reasons on the fly or her read evolving over time.

key is still scum tho please vote

[vonflare]

Its on agent waht r we doing?

keychain

[vonflare]

we need a votecount

[vonflare]

how many more votes do we need on keychain

[vonflare]

mulch can you please trust me on keychain I'll listen to all your cases tomorrow but chick is townier than keychain

plz

[vonflare]

mulch is town

but

I agree with sparkles

can we lynch keychain now

IDK how many votes we need but if we all pull together I'm sure we can get enough

[vonflare]

mulch is very gung-ho I think its a side effect of being relatively new

[vonflare]

Fuck im opening another beer, SERIOULSY you guys have 10 fucking min

dude just vote keychain i think we only need like 2 more or something

[vonflare]

mulch vote keychain I'll sheep you tomorrow

[vonflare]

lemme count the votes real quck dont vote yet it might be hammer lets see if he'll claim

[vonflare]

its ok vax your vote is in the right place

yeah theres me, chick, creature, vax on key so we need 1 more

screen isnt going to vote him because hes his scumbuddy, so that leaves mulch and why

[vonflare]

oh yeah and sparkles

mulch, why, sparkles, vote key now plz

[vonflare]

What's the vote count?

idk but i know theres 4 on key

me, creature, vax, chick

[vonflare]

Vonflare I'm a she and I despise being defaulted to male, please stop.

I sincerely apologize for all the times ive done it and all the times I will do it in the future

I try to correct it when I remember but I type very fast and male pronouns are one letter shorter I always default to those

really sorry

[vonflare]

all screen has done regarding key is naked vote her at the beginning of the day and then defend her from me throughout the day

if key flips scum screen is the buddy

[vonflare]

sparkles will hammer key I have faith

tomorrow I will review chick and screen and decide which one is worth my vote

[vonflare]

sparkles its now (meaning within half an hour) or never

[vonflare]

oh wow a fake dayvig on a guy who's pushing your scumbuddy

that's not at all awkward

[vonflare]

screen and key are scum 100%

gg ez

[vonflare]

its fake you doofus

I did the same thing once it was hilarious but people actually believed me

this one not so much

[vonflare]

or instead you could hammer key and shoot screen, and then we win the game

[vonflare]

screen wtf is this

if I actually do die can you guys lynch this scum duo tomorrow

[vonflare]

this is dumb as fuck

sparkles can you hammer keychain already

screen dies tomorrow

[vonflare]

if you're actually a dayvig you probably threw the game

[vonflare]

is there a scum dayvig in this setup?

[vonflare]

aight you guys know what to do tomorrow

[vonflare]

not you, mulch is going to shoot you

[vonflare]

yes I just checked there is a scum dayvig

[vonflare]

im just curious as to why you thought shooting the guy pushing your scumbuddy was a good idea, it just incriminates you

[vonflare]

lynch screen

he is literally proven scum

especially if I don't die, then he literally scumclaimed

[vonflare]

why did you hard defend keychiain all day tho

[vonflare]

btw when I put dayvigs in my setups I make it so they cant use their shot day1, or it penalizes them, (once i made it so they become hated if they shoot D1) so people dont just get blown away at the whim of one person before they even get a chance to really play

If I die I'm going to be sad.

but if I live I'll be happy because we have confirmed scum

[vonflare]

Screenplay was bluffing LMAO

I personally hope so. why do you think this though? he seems awfully serious to me, if he was bluffing its basically a scumclaim

[vonflare]

well screen has hard defended you through the day and he's confscum to me soooooo

[vonflare]

and before you ask for proof to back up my statement:

- never mentions key (ISO HIM) other than to naked vote him in RVS and to agree with him once

- scumreads me through the entire game (most likely for me pushing his scumbuddy)

- constantly defends key:

Spoiler:

@SCREEN

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE BULLSHITTED A MILDLY STRONG DISTRACTION IN 385 COULD EVERYONE READ IT AND TELL ME MY SHIT STINKS. THANK YOU

FTFY

Von. Why push this key lynch so late? Why not 24 hours ago or wait tomorrow?

- (fake?) dayvigs me for pushing his scumbuddy

[vonflare]

yeah mulch might be scum but I personally think he's the least scummy player in the people who I don't have as hard town

[vonflare]

if the dayvig was fake and I die tonight can you guys promise me you'll lynch screen tomorrow

[vonflare]

Everyone is scum claiming?

yep you got it everyone is scum good work

[vonflare]

Kk shooting Sparkles, that's bullshit. will WIFOM between Sparkles and Chicadee

that's dumb

if you really are a vig you should shoot screen 100000% he is confirmed scum

[vonflare]

sparkles can you vote keychain for me on the offchance he is loved and we actually dont have a lynch yet

[vonflare]

Von. Who first me or

i mean you scumclaimed if I don't die sooooo

[vonflare]

nvm there is no loved in the setup

[vonflare]

mulch you are shooting screen tonight do you understand

I will lynch chick with you tomorrow if we haven't won the game

[vonflare]

well i guess it dosent really matter actually screen gets lynched tomorrow anyway so i guess you can shoot chick but i honestly dont think shes scum

[vonflare]

can we get a keychain flip at some point

[vonflare]

mulch stop

optimal play is to shoot screen, but if you reeeeally want to shoot chick just lynch screen tomorrow

[vonflare]

I managed to get universally townread by everyone except 2 people.

I orchestrated a lynch on one, but it turns out the other was a dayvig

feeeeels bad

GG tho, I had fun!

[vonflare]

congrats to the wolves too

[vonflare]

no mulch was obvscum after he killed sparkles

[vonflare]

wait how do you only have 3 completed games? you joined less than a year after me

[vonflare]

Aliens only get one night kill all game too.

ya thats why i chose maf over alien btw