Micro 738: Fountain of Tired Souls [Endgame]

[Purple Nurple]

I'm begging you people to listen to reason here. Checks are good, yes, and we will 100% follow up on that, but Gerry lied to us from the start. That can't be fucked with, that came from his mouth. There is no reason to doubt that.

nahdia. how would i know who cop would be? are you kidding me?

Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you lied to us and told us you were an alignment cop yesterday, KNOWING that today you would be revealed as a liar, and KNOWING that it would result in us lynching you at some point. And yet, you didn't say a fucking thing. You just

lied

. There's NO TOWN MOTIVATION TO DO THAT.

On policy alone I'd vote the fuck out of gerryoat right now because yeah lynch all liars is a fucking thing for good reason and if gerryoat were town this would be a lesson on WHY THE FUCK THAT IS A THING.

So it's tempting to lay the vote down right now especially since there's a very realistic chance he's scum even without the desire to lynch him on policy...but in spite of that. There's sadly ALSO the very realistic chance the scumteam's osuka-LUV laughing their heads off at this whole debacle. They've both been mostly on the sidelines or if they have been supporting a side, been supporting gerry. Either could be a gerry partner or both could be scum without gerry and I want to talk it out with Eddie Cane among others (you also but also Impoetic and also JaeReed's replacement) as to what's the most likely.

[Purple Nurple]

That's bull. A message appears upon your death.

Like this is pretty shit too since LUV is literally in denial of a player directly claiming responsibility for the action, something easily proven. (Both by time, via Nahdia themselves, and by the simple virtue of if there were someone responsible for the message aside from Nahdia they would counterclaim responsibility for it.) It's casting shade/discrediting at the max.

[Purple Nurple]

Did you forget I'm tracker as well?

Speaking of, you now how TWO results and yet you've done nothing to share them. You've also had wonderful opportunities to see targets! It's not like our actions were unknown. You'd see us going nowhere since our block was set to Mathblade I believe (would have to confirm with Alisae since we did talk about changing it to osuka but I don't think we followed through on that) and we can't block the lynch any more than the lynch can use an action, for instance. Or you'd see gerry's action of going to himself. You know. Useful things to have confirmed which were easy to confirm just by simple virtue of targeting claimed PRs who outed what they were going to do.

[Purple Nurple]

yea but like i fake claim all the time. and you know this. sorry, but if i claimed flavor cop and not regular cop i was being lynched. and how does that help us at all? mastina if mafia would be like "OOPS well i blocked him so i only assumed!!"

It helps us by not wasting our fucking time having to lynch you a day later for lying, fucko.

you know i have an ego, and being lynched wrongly wasnt something i was gonna let happen.

Fuck it.
Fuck proper play.
Fuck caution.
Fuck that all, fuck it to hell.

VOTE: gerryoat.

I can't let this live.
Not in good conscience.

[Purple Nurple]

Well is it any wonder why I

forced him to claim which check was him

, or did you already forget that happened, cause you just wanted to rush without even seeing what was up?

(This is because LUV has a high chance of being scum regardless of gerry's alignment. But at this point I just want gerry dead even if he's town because no fucking way do I let that go.)

[Purple Nurple]

Your cry doesn't confirm them?

You're treating them as confirmed town.

:SHADE.gif:

[Purple Nurple]

so what would you have done in my position? just let myself be lynched for no reason?

Absolutely yes.

Eat the fucking lynch, prove me wrong in the process, and let everyone have the hard reset which would result from our assumptions being shown wrong.

If you do the thing scum are supposed to do.
I am going to treat you as I treat scum.
In other words. Eat fucking rope.

[Purple Nurple]

There's still the lack of Night kills.

N3 can be explained as being a nightskip ability yet unclaimed. N2 I cannot account for as our roleblock shoulda still been on Mathblade. I can check to see if it was moved, but I don't think so?

[Purple Nurple]

Oh wait we actually got a PM officially marking it which I wasn't aware of because Eddie read it.
We did in fact submit a block on Mathblade. Whether that went through or not, need to ask, but that was our submitted night action.
That's not the only thing we got but I'm asking Alisae for details.

[Purple Nurple]

i see no reason for mafia to jan math since we know what his role is

Obscuring alignment to prevent "if town, do this; if scum, do that".
For instance the rather very strong calling for "if Mathblade town, lynch gerryoat", which went without saying and yet now we don't have the hard backing we otherwise normally would.

[Purple Nurple]

I am dead. Have received PM now.
--No further posts will come during the game from me sorry! --

I think this can pretty conclusively prove that Mathblade wasn't responsible for the ability which janitored Mathblade. Which is if you assume the mafia janitored Mathblade...a reasonably strong sign that Mathblade was town.

[Purple Nurple]

nahdia town as fuck now i'm doubting impo

[Purple Nurple]

oops VOTE: purple*

sorry eddie! it was just there was so much discussion about mastina so i was thinking about that, it's not like you didn't have a presence towards the end

VOTE: Purple

SHOCKED.

After this night ends. i need to say something.

VOTE: Mastina

0 chance this is all town. quickvoting to l1 with no discussion. garbage.

[Purple Nurple]

SHOCKED.

After this night ends. i need to say something.

VOTE: Mastina

you know you lied about your role and you believe said lied role is the same alignment as you AND didn't cc you IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT QUESTION?

fucking bs

if you guys don't lynch gerry today I think I was wrong about this being a good playerlist. this scumfuck is scum on meta, play, and LIED ABOUT HIS ROLE TO AVOiD GEtting LYNCHED endlessly. i stg this is fucking pathetic.

[Purple Nurple]

Lmaoo

Well gg then

luv not unvoting even here is not a good look

[Purple Nurple]

I lied because i didnt wanna get lynched. i lie all the time as town. i can link games here.

then its time to policy lynch you every time you do moronic bullshit like this if this is really how you play as town. you've certainly never hard faked a claim like this to avoid getting lynched in the 7-8 town games we've played.

[Purple Nurple]

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71353 here i claimed PR as VT

if you think that's even remotely comparable i laugh at you

[Purple Nurple]

I'm not unvoting because of your attitude.

I've received too much shit to give a fuck. There's 2 other people on the wagon. Have them unvote.

why are luv/gerry/osuka all trying to hard to get me to vote them smh

[Purple Nurple]

I'm begging you people to listen to reason here. Checks are good, yes, and we will 100% follow up on that, but Gerry lied to us from the start. That can't be fucked with, that came from his mouth. There is no reason to doubt that.

nahdia. how would i know who cop would be? are you kidding me?

Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you lied to us and told us you were an alignment cop yesterday, KNOWING that today you would be revealed as a liar, and KNOWING that it would result in us lynching you at some point. And yet, you didn't say a fucking thing. You just

lied

. There's NO TOWN MOTIVATION TO DO THAT.

On policy alone I'd vote the fuck out of gerryoat right now because yeah lynch all liars is a fucking thing for good reason and if gerryoat were town this would be a lesson on WHY THE FUCK THAT IS A THING.

So it's tempting to lay the vote down right now especially since there's a very realistic chance he's scum even without the desire to lynch him on policy...but in spite of that. There's sadly ALSO the very realistic chance the scumteam's osuka-LUV laughing their heads off at this whole debacle. They've both been mostly on the sidelines or if they have been supporting a side, been supporting gerry. Either could be a gerry partner or both could be scum without gerry and I want to talk it out with Eddie Cane among others (you also but also Impoetic and also JaeReed's replacement) as to what's the most likely.

What about the compulsive bodyguard game where I claimed lie detector? Or are you just gonna skip that to fit your narrative

excuse me>=?

[Purple Nurple]

"We stopped his kill he's maf!"
*no night kills 4 nights.
"Um! He's still maf! Obviously!"

um! I'm never unvoting you. You would've been lynched 2 nights ago without claiming alignment cop dumbass.

[Purple Nurple]

if this is legitimately town gerry, you're just as bad as you complain people think you are. seriously. omgus. fuck you. but, no, i dont think is you being town. i think this is you desperately trying to fight to avoid your lynch.

luv, claim your results. please.

osuka, claim your role and any results.

i want to find whichever of you 3 is town and end this miserable game. :>_>

[Purple Nurple]

What are your thoughts on Math getting janitored and the night skipping?

dont give a fuck. gerry lied about being alignment cop and continued to fos/scumread us for calling t hat out as the bullshit is. math getting janitored probably means he's town, but math was town anyways i think, especially after his post-flip posts that shouldn't have happened but w.e. night skipping... no fucking clue, maybe scum can't kill until night x and they have a 1x night skip or some weird stuff. don't think its relevant, doesn't seem to have changed anything. maybe its a game-wide roleblock (lets scum kill on night 3 but town have no time to do actions). i want your claim and osukas to help sort this stuff.

[Purple Nurple]

if this is legitimately town gerry, you're just as bad as you complain people think you are. seriously. omgus. fuck you.

Did I trigger you? Lol

i had a breakup today, i'm in a horrible mood, don't take it personally please.

but i really do not appreciate coming back to the game, seeing us almost get quicklynched with no question over an obviously fake guilty, someone faking a conftown role which i called out as bs setup spec wise, and a whole day of wasted discussion around said role, someone refusing to un-l1 a claimed fake guilty, math getting lynched over gerry in the FIRST PLACE which never should have happened, and now having to find the town in 3 complete scumfucks of osuka/gerry/luv.

[Purple Nurple]

Logic vs insults. Let's see what wins

explain the mother fucking logic around claiming cop and then fosing the people who call that out as bs to avoid getting lynched? guess what? we aren't playing werewolf, the game where you lose if you get lynched. this is a team game, and if you're town i consider that playing against your wincon and have lost all respect for your skill as a player. just know that.

[Purple Nurple]

"UR MAF CAUSE UR OPENING! I MEAN.. UR MAF CAUSE I BLOCKED U! WAIT..NO NIGHT KILL THAT I WAS SO SURE OF.. UH! UR MAF CAUSE UR BAD FOR LYING!"

stop. ateing. stupid. shit. at. me.

if you do another stupid one liner complaint like this i'm done replying to you for the rest of the game, idgaf what mastina does. mastina was the one pushing you that entire time and i was the one defending you, clearly i was wrong to do so.

[Purple Nurple]

I care more about that now because I don't see a reason for scum to janitor a town Math.

My thing with Gerry is that he was willing to be honest before he was even questioned about which result was his. I think it's more likely for scum to claim they had a guilty on your slot there.

SHOCKED.

After this night ends. i need to say something.

VOTE: Mastina

you said you were a cop, which would be the first one, but i thought you also said you were targeting yourself, which would be the second one??

you said you were a cop, which would be the first one, but i thought you also said you were targeting yourself, which would be the second one??

i dont think i should answer this right now. which is why i said tomorrow.

he was honest before he was questioned? no. after? not immediately. he didn't even question it until asked. and, scum!gerry would KNOW he had no involvement in the first message and claiming such would be a literal scum claim when he got called out on it by whoever actually "checked" purple. No, scum would not claim to have the guilty there.

[Purple Nurple]

What do you make of him saying he needs to say something later? That implies he was willing to be honest.

that implies he wanted to wait to claim his actual role until night 5, aka after we were mislynched but without any blame. i don't make shit of it.

[Purple Nurple]

There's also the basis of one of your reasons for scum reading Gerry. There have been no kills since you two have claimed to block him. I also was still shown to have been attempted to be scan and I don't recall any resolution on that still being shown after you claimed to block him.

no clue. factional ability, him and his partner claim swapped, ascetic, we were redirected, we were roleblocked, it just did get blocked by us and that's what it shows, etc. i didn't tunnel him for that, i tried to lynch osuka over him and considered voting math. i'm tunnelling him now. you're asking stuff you should be asking to mastina.

[Purple Nurple]

I assumed a guilty. Wanted maf to think it was me and kill me if they are saving vig shots

this is still implicitly wrong and a perspective slip. let's take a look

>gerry claimed public alignment cop
>gerry is actually public alignment cop
>there is a town public alignment cop with the exact same flavor as gerry's town public flavor cop
>said public alignment cop chose or was unable to not use their action previously
>said public alignment cop chose not to cc gerry claiming their exact same role down to a T (same message)
>gerry immediately entered the day believing that claim, no questions asked, ready to believe that claim was from town, ready to quicklynch us and move to the next day with no questions asked

this is so fucking bullshit. if either of gerry or luv post in the thread again without replying to this directly and explaining how it makes any fucking sense I'm voteparking them for the rest of the game and if they both do it I'm doing that to both of them back and forth.

[Purple Nurple]

I don't get why Nahdia even cried that unless she was faking a read on your slot and if so, why should we town read that?

I'm actually not going to acknowledge gerry anymore regardless because he's scum, i'm just going to play with you and osuka to find the partner. Nahdia clearly did it to rxn test gerry, they tried hard to delay having to claim but you moronic duffle bags decided to quick lynch the day before lylo on a clear inconsistency no questions asked AND REFUSE TO uNVOTE WHEN THE GUILTY IS CLAIMED, and then nahdia fought extremely hard to get you to unvote so we couldn't be quicklynched. that's town, probably, and if its scum then nahdia can win because in a world where luv and gerry are both town i'd rather town lost. i am never voting nahdia this game even if we enter tomorrow with nahdia as a guilty child.

[Purple Nurple]

I assumed a guilty. Wanted maf to think it was me and kill me if they are saving vig shots

this is still implicitly wrong and a perspective slip. let's take a look

>gerry claimed public alignment cop
>gerry is actually public alignment cop
>there is a town public alignment cop with the exact same flavor as gerry's town public flavor cop
>said public alignment cop chose or was unable to not use their action previously
>said public alignment cop chose not to cc gerry claiming their exact same role down to a T (same message)
>gerry immediately entered the day believing that claim, no questions asked, ready to believe that claim was from town, ready to quicklynch us and move to the next day with no questions asked

this is so fucking bullshit. if either of gerry or luv post in the thread again without replying to this directly and explaining how it makes any fucking sense I'm voteparking them for the rest of the game and if they both do it I'm doing that to both of them back and forth.

I know that and I pointed the honesty thing and I got crickets.

was this in reference to 1730 or the quoted post? If the quoted post, please give more and explain how its reasonable for this to be what happened.

osuka, i also want a reply to 1729 explaining why its wrong if you aren't willing to vote gerry.

[Purple Nurple]

It was bad he expressed no doubt on the claim but he was kind of already outed based on his self-check? So as town, voting your slot would have been better since he claims wanted to keep the fake claim in order to draw the night kill

That doesn't make sense though? Because that still means there's an actual public town cop, that didn't act previously, that didn't cc gerry claiming their exact role. If you are public cop, and someone claims public cop, I don't think even the worst players wouldn't cc that.

[Purple Nurple]

I thought gerry was alright, not great but not bad going into the game. if gerry is town this game that opinion has changed. i really don't believe he is. i think its rather intuitive for a townie to at least doubt that,

[Purple Nurple]

there never was any, didn't stop those 3 from trying.

[Purple Nurple]

is there any news on a jae replacement?

[Purple Nurple]

Oh wait we actually got a PM officially marking it which I wasn't aware of because Eddie read it.
We did in fact submit a block on Mathblade. Whether that went through or not, need to ask, but that was our submitted night action.
That's not the only thing we got but I'm asking Alisae for details.

Followthrough on this: The mod confirmed our blocking action went through. I need to ask if it's possible to block the lynchee since that is something Alisae should be able to answer. Alisae refuses to answer, Alisae is a dick. Alisae says we can target the lynchee I'm confused-as-hell as to why we can target the lynchee but the lynchee can't action though this would in fact be a possible explanation for Mathblade's lack of flip (in that it's possible the mafia set Mathblade as the nightkill and janitored Mathblade for it and the janitor went through even with Mathblade as the lynch). Alisae says we can't target the lynchee, it's mod-confirmed we got redirected by some method, soooooooo...


Also. That extra thing? Someone applied a "phased" modifier to us. (Rather, we were given a phase counter.) It did not specify which phase. I need to inquire further on the subject, but basically we were told that we are phased, and that we don't know the details beyond that.

[Purple Nurple]

then again using that theory , why was there no kill last night?

Imagine you are mafia. (Well there's a significant chance you actually don't need to imagine this at all but benefit of the doubt.)
Imagine you get lynched instead of Mathblade which was rather realistic as you were at L-1.
Imagine what people would think of Mathblade when you flipped scum.
Mathblade, gladiate a partner? Probably not! Mathblade would make an excellent nightkill then.

The best part is this theory works regardless of whether the mafia can target Mathblade with a nightkill in spite of them being the lynchee or not. Because if they target Mathblade with a nightkill and can do that...then they just nightkilled the lynchee. If they target Mathblade with a nightkill and can't do that...then they just have their nightkill fail. Either way, you'd end up with the same result: no death N2.

[Purple Nurple]

Update on the update: we can indeed roleblock the lynchee. Meaning, assuming our action was neither busdriven nor redirected (or blocked), Mathblade could not themselves be responsible for the janitored flip because any ability of theirs to obscure their own flip, we'd have blocked.

Now! Admittedly. I'd be the first to admit that it's possible that any of those three forms of interference would in fact be possible. Buuuuuuuut, their presence lacks conclusive hard evidence. Speculation about them would therefore be violating Occam's Razor*. So the simplest, most likely answer: we roleblocked Mathblade, causing their action to fail.

*It can be fun tho. Like, just for the lulz, I'd speculate about possibilities all day long. I get great enjoyment over analyzing the possibilities. The most amusing of these would be if we were busdriven with Mathblade, and the mafia targeted us with a janightkill which landed on Mathblade, but again. That'd be favoring a possibility over a probability so while it's entertaining to speculate, the speculation should not be presented as an actual serious argument.

[Purple Nurple]

why tho? its public? and why does jill matter? cant jill be maf?

Literally everything you're saying applies to your role. It's public--can't it be mafia?

[Purple Nurple]

Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over again. Lol

We say the same thing over and over again because we're speaking the fucking truth.

Why do

you

? Because you sure as fuck don't have the same ability to say you've been speaking the fucking truth when repeating yourself over and over again. Quite the opposite in fact. You repeated your lie time and time again.

[Purple Nurple]

I'd do the same thing again if it happens again idc lol

then its time to policy lynch you every time you do moronic bullshit like this if this is really how you play as town.

[Purple Nurple]

Like.
Legit.
I don't think I've ever.
Not once in my entire career.
Have I actually previously advocated for a policy lynch.

But damn fucking straight.
I am advocating for a fucking policy lynch.
That it has a 66% chance of landing on scum? Icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. I'd do it even if it was just 1%.

[Purple Nurple]

Ok so. The basis of voting me was the fact that ppl thought that purple blocked a kill from me. But now it's obvious there is no maf kill. So..

No, the basis of voting you was you've been a scumfuck the entire time. You've been playing to your scum meta. You've been playing in a pro-scum way the entire game. You've been doing nothing productive.

And it may be true that the lack of a N2 nightkill calls into question whether the mafia could kill N1 (I maintain it for a variety of reasons but I will at least acknowledge the argument if for no other reason than to humor you though that's frankly more than you deserve), buuuuuut...replacing this? Replacing this is the fact that you lied about your fucking role. And not just any lie. You told a lie specifically to try and lynch us.

Your logic for pushing us boiled down to, "They're pushing me when I can confirm myself as town tomorrow!" Except you didn't fucking confirm yourself as town so your push on us was bullshit. Then you spun that same lie to lynch Mathblade over yourself. "They gladiated me when I can confirm myself as town tomorrow!" Same problem: you didn't fucking confirm yourself as town today. Everything we said about you N2 turned out true. We said you weren't a proven alignment cop. You weren't. We said you wouldn't prove your alignment. You didn't. You called US the fucking liars for SAYING STUFF WHICH WAS TRUE AND YOU FUCKING KNEW WAS TRUE.

You fucking lied to escape the noose. You fucking lied to try and push not one but TWO lynches through. You fucking lied when we called you rightly out on your bullshit. At every stage you were lying to our faces while claiming we were in the wrong to push you on your bullshit. And if it never occurred to a town you that this would be the natural consequence? Damn fucking straight I'm lynching your ass for it. It's either something you deliberately did as scum (in which case, lynch you), or which you need a HARSH reality lesson in why the fuck you never ever EVER do it (in which case, lynch you because that's the only lesson we have to teach).

Either way, you die.

[Purple Nurple]

"Um! He's still maf! Obviously!"

Yes because we've been calling you mafia even before roles. We've been calling you mafia since N1. You've been our hardest push the entire fucking game and for damn good reason.

You've bitched and moaned about how terrible the people are that have called you scum. And done no real scumhunting outside of OMGUSing the players attacking you. You've whined about how town you are constantly. While doing nothing to actually move the game forward. You've spammed. You've posted fluff. You've posted things which didn't actually matter. Yet you've done nothing. You haven't pushed. The closest you've come to pushing is voting players who voted you first.

You voted us on a "guilty" you knew was not your own and never thought to for so much as one second question it whatsoever even remotely. When Nahdia pointed out it was fake, you casted shade on them along-side LUV. When Nahdia was able to prove themselves (as much as proof is possible anyway), you continued to resist the unvote, crying out "why" when the reason for voting has been shown false. (Hey speaking of which isn't that exactly what you fucking accused us of? So yeah we can add hypocrisy to the list of reasons why you're scum regardless of whether you're mafia or not.)

Nothing about what you've done the entire fucking game.
Has been even remotely. Whatsoever. Town.

[Purple Nurple]

luv, claim your results. please.
osuka, claim your role and any results.

Also this is a thing which should happen.

[Purple Nurple]

Logic vs insults. Let's see what wins

Indeed. I'll be sorely disappointed if your insults win though because we've shown why you're scum and your sum total reason for why we're scum?

"Because they keep pushing me as scum!"

We've given reason after reason after reason for you being scum. We've explained in multiple dimensions each of these beliefs and fleshed out their nuances. When you point out a flaw, we both acknowledge the point, and explain our stance on you in further detail where we lay out why we don't think the flaw is legitimate but even were we to concede its fairness why we continue the push anyway.

You're not scum for any one reason that you can write off as "lol" (which is exactly what you've been doing).
You're scum for EVERYTHING we've been bringing up.

[Purple Nurple]

Ive laid out multiple scenarios where it makes sense purple is maf. And I was right about the fake block to get a mislynch

Oh? Do tell. Give me one which does not include "Purple is mafia because they have been pushing me the entire game."

For that matter, name a single game where I as scum go all-out swinging on an attempt to mislynch a player.
I'll wait.
You know why I can wait?
Because search all you want. You'll never find one because I don't fucking play this way as scum and there's a unique kind of fired up and pissed off that I can never fake as scum and yet which is the entirety of my play this game.

You've tried strawmanning our arguments. You've tried misrepping our points. We've clarified them, we've pointed out how and why your counter was wrong and held no water. Yet you act as if the things you've said were never given a proper answer, while spewing the same shit time and time again, all the while, we continue to give new angles, new approaches, new evidence, as time progresses. Because that's the difference between town and scum. Scum thrive on misdirection and repetition. Towns thrive on directly going to the point and giving new angles.

I seriously will spend the time quoting my entire fucking iso if need be to demonstrate the progression in thought we've had RE: your slot.
I will also spend the time if necessary quoting yours to show the lack of said nuances. How the arguments you made then are still being made now...in spite of facts having changed. (Including, importantly, YOUR FUCKING CLAIM BEING SHOWN FALSE. You are still defending yourself using THE EXACT SAME REASONING you did yesterday in spite of your claim having changed overnight when proven a falsehood.)

[Purple Nurple]

Also.
This is an appeal to all of:

NAHDIA, IMPOETIC, JAEREED'S SLOT (when eventually filled), AND WHICHEVER OF THE ONE IN LUV/OSUKA WOULD BE TOWN:

Tell me.
What say you to this.
gerry is scum.
gerry ends up alive in endgame, endgaming the town for whatever shitty reason.

How the fuck will you feel.
If you let a scumfuck go.
In violation of Lynch All Liars?

How the fuck will you feel.
If someone who is A PROVEN FUCKING LIAR.
Ends up endgaming you.
Because you refused to fucking lynch the liar the moment he was demonstrated a liar?

Will you ever be able to forgive yourself.
For making such an absurdly stupid mistake.
By letting a liar live.
And then letting that liar endgame you?

Well I tell you that you might be able to but I sure as fuck won't.
When you have a player who is caught in a fucking lie.
You lynch the fucking liar.

If they are scum. Then proven-lying-scum doesn't endgame you.
If they are town. Then it is a lesson to them to not fucking repeat the mistake and play like scum.
The risk of the former, of it being scum. Means you can't give an idiot pass on the hopes of the latter. No matter how much you might want to give mercy to someone who honestly deserves fuckall in the way of it.

[Purple Nurple]

I care more about that now because I don't see a reason for scum to janitor a town Math.

If the janitor was just for role you'd have a point but it also hides alignment.

My thing with Gerry is that he was willing to be honest before he was even questioned about which result was his. I think it's more likely for scum to claim they had a guilty on your slot there.

And then what happens when Nahdia immediately outs gerry as a liar? gerry gets lynched because WE sure as fuck know the result is fake and NAHDIA knew the result was fake and if gerry tried to pass it off as his, then he dies. Oh and even if he did get us mislynched. LOL WHOOPS GUESS WHO'S NOW OUTED AS CONFSCUM. gerry could in NO circumstance claim a guilty on our slot. He could only claim the result which was his to claim. He also said he'd target himself, too, so claiming he had a change of heart would add an additional lie in, whereas the other result (clearly on him) is exactly what he says he was going to do, soooooooo...yeah this doesn't hold.

Even remotely.

[Purple Nurple]

can someone get me up to speed
who are we hammering

I do lean this slot being scum/the partner after seeing LUV's engagement. LUV's hesitance to vote gerry is something which could be a partner defense (especially if they think they are within perfect victory range), especially since LUV's defense of gerry mostly amounts to "Well you make a very good point, but it's POSSIBLE it doesn't apply because..." (basically making every excuse for gerry to not be scum possible), and it's also possible as scum white knighting town (while leaving room towards mislynching said town), but I lean towards it being legit town.

Now OSUKA on the other hand...is doing shit like this.
And blatantly getting away with it.

[Purple Nurple]

so should i vote

For those who're so fond of meta, let's take a look at osuka's contributions in games.
This is his iso as town.
This is also his iso as town.
He doesn't have many completed towngames but in those games you can see that he's contributing. He's giving active thoughts the whole game. He engages others. He gives reads. He gives cases, even. He's the opposite of a coaster because he's proactively pushing his beliefs for better or worse.

Contrast: his iso this game. He has a much, much, much lower post count in this game than he does in his towngames. (He's less active.) When he DOES post, his posts are much more filled with non-content or filler-content or nonexplanations. He promises/hints at content, then refuses to actually follow through and deliver.

[Purple Nurple]

yo what the fuck is even the justification for voting purple?

Everything I said n1-now

Oh? Do tell.

Because we've been fucking telling on why to vote you. Every step of the way with all of our posts.
You on the other hand just dodge it altogether. You're refusing to explain because you know if you attempted to, all you'd have to show for it is hot air: empty shit which on a skim would look

okay

but if actually given any scrutiny whatsoever would fall apart.

[Purple Nurple]

And I say that because I was a one-shot masonizer, and I masonized purple+nahdia. They aren't teamed. Bye. Wow. Much reveal. Many doggo.

Frankly fuck the result. I'll let a scum Nahdia win any day. I don't give a damn about roleclaims. I believe your claim, yes. I think it confirms you as town, yes. But I will not lynch Nahdia, results be damned. Because Nahdia is town even if that's not what their rolecard says. (But I'm still reasonably confident Nahdia is town.) You are town period. JaeReed's slot is town period.

I am going to lynch gerry. And then osuka.

If you lynch us and then mislynch Nahdia then may god have mercy on your soul because BEST case scenario (scum legit have no nightkill) that places you in a 5p lylo with LUV/osuka/gerry and you've got only two lynches for the both of them. (Plus there's the chance that scum go lynch us-->lynch Nahdia-->lynch you, thinking they can sell the narrative you lied.)

And I must reiterate that's the fucking BEST case scenario. If the scum have a nightkill or even two nightkills (e.g., they poisoned someone N2 who dies N4 and they nightkill someone N4 meaning two scum nightkills rather than one; they have the ability to once in the game submit two nightkills at once; any similar ability), then the Nahdia lynch following ours costs the game if not our lynch here and now. Now admittedly I sincerely doubt the worst case scenario (the worst case scenario is that today would be lylo), butstill. I can't stress enough how much of a mistake it'll be to blindly trust the failed masonize as reason in of itself to lynch a player yet alone two or three.

If you think Nahdia is scum off of play (I do not), then I'll listen.
If you think we're scum off of play you're wrong but you should still present your reasons for thinking that.

Because I can't stress enough.
Alisae is NOT a mod who believes games should be breakable by roles.
Alisae has made it clear on MULTIPLE occasions e believes (just as I do) that role != alignment, that play > role 100% of the time. I'm not townreading you for your claim, nor Nahdia for their claim, nor JaeReed's slot for their claim. I'm townreading you all for your play and how you've handled things in key parts of the game. (Including how you've handled your role but that's still partially play more than role.)

I'm scumreading gerryoat for his play and how he's handled things in key parts of the game. (Though I do think his role makes a lot of sense as a scum role.) I'm scumreading osuka for his play and also how he's not addressing key parts of the game (including how he should really claim because he is quite literally the ONLY player in the game to have not claimed at this stage meaning a massclaim absolutely is justified). I've got a lesser scumread on LUV for his play and how he's handled things in key parts of the game (among them his refusal to out his track results when there is no pro-town reason to do so especially with literally every slot having claimed save osuka).

[Purple Nurple]

Still want to lynch me over confirmed mafia to each other?

Fuck yes I do. Because contrary to the narrative you've attempted to sell, my case on you has NEVER been at ANY point "gerryoat is confirmed scum because of role-related reasons". We had--and who knows, may still have--good role-related reasons to believe you were scum, sure. But those reasons only served to augment an already-existing strong read of the game.

Impoetic's failed masonize, when there are multiple possible causes for the failure (redirection, busdriving, rolestopping, roleblocking, etc.), is in of itself not reason to lynch a player. Yes it is true the possible causes for failure are speculation...but.
Actually.

You know what.

I've got a perfect example to explain this.

It's called Mini Normal 1920. As in, a game

you were in

that I modded which is perfectly relevant to my stance here. In that game, GreyICE was a Loyal Cop. Loyal Cops get results of "Town" on town, "Mafia" on millers, and "No Result" on Mafia. They also get "No Result" if their action fails from other factors such as a roleblock (which that game had). In the game, GreyICE investigated FormerFish and got a "No Result".

By play, FormerFish was (to me) obviously town. Yet the town blindly trusted in the result and lynched him, nearly paving the way to a scum win. Alisae, this game's moderator, ended up conceding defeat but I maintain that if Alisae had chosen to fight Alisae not only could have made it to lylo but could have WON that game. (And the town players alive all agreed.) The town managed to recover from the blunder, but the fact still remains that FormerFish was lynched off of role rather than play. And flipped town. Hurting the town in the process.

Same basic deal here. We have a theoretical guilty result between us and Nahdia, thanks to Impoetic. If we blindly assume that role = alignment, that's one lynch followed by another when the first is shown to be a mislynch. But I'm not blind, and Alisae with game design isn't either. Role doesn't equal alignment. And play > role 100% of the time.

I townread Nahdia's play.
So no. I will not blindly sheep a result which was likely fucked with. If someone provides a case on our slot then I will provide a response but I don't expect anyone will because nobody is interested in making a case since they know there's fuckall in ways to make one because a case on us when we've bled town will be clear as day absolute shit.

If someone provides a case on Nahdia then I will listen. I will take it under consideration. But most likely I'll be explaining to them why I disagree with the points raised and instead think Nahdia's town.

Mafiascum operates by logic.
Not by roles.
Logic.
Mafiascum is not EpicMafia.
We do not rely on roles.

We fucking scumhunt.
And by fucking scumhunting.
Nahdia is not scum.

[Purple Nurple]

Also can I point out:
gerry insisted that the guilty on him was not a hard guilty.
Here, when we are in similar circumstances except the players involved are NOT him.
He is treating it as a hard guilty.

Again.
Hypocritical.

[Purple Nurple]

LOL purple obvious maf. Won't lynch someone they believe is confirmed to them

"PURPLE IS MAF"
"Oh really? Mind showing why? Because we think you're scum for these reasons here. Yet you continue to not give us any response other than lol. Wanna change that?"
"LOL PURPLE IS MAF".

Do I need to quote the posts where I show why we feel gerry is scum, quote the posts where we ask gerry to provide responses, and then quote literally every gerry post thereafter to demonstrate how he doesn't and instead does this? Because yeah.

gerry's response to us raising points? "LOL".
Our response to gerry's pushes: explanations, logic, and reasoning.

[Purple Nurple]

I scum read you.

Okay.
Why.

Not for fake reasons like you scumread me.

Okay. What makes them fake.

I knew you prob no killed and then faked a guilty on me.

Occam called. He wants his Razor back, you're making no use of it after all.

[Purple Nurple]

If you were town you would reevaluate.

We have reevaluated reads. We reevaluated the Oggs/Mathblade slot. We reevaluated Nahdia. We reevaluated and are still reevaluating LUV. I personally have reevaluated osuka. Eddie has reevaluated you. We've done nothing BUT reevaluation.

Where's yours?

You say you believe impoetic. So you should have a confirmed mafia in your eyes. Either you think impoetic is lying. Or you think nahdia is mafia.

And I say that because I was a one-shot masonizer, and I masonized purple+nahdia. They aren't teamed. Bye. Wow. Much reveal. Many doggo.

Frankly fuck the result. I'll let a scum Nahdia win any day. I don't give a damn about roleclaims. I believe your claim, yes. I think it confirms you as town, yes. But I will not lynch Nahdia, results be damned. Because Nahdia is town even if that's not what their rolecard says. (But I'm still reasonably confident Nahdia is town.) You are town period. JaeReed's slot is town period.

If you think Nahdia is scum off of play (I do not), then I'll listen.
If you think we're scum off of play you're wrong but you should still present your reasons for thinking that.

Because I can't stress enough.
Alisae is NOT a mod who believes games should be breakable by roles.
Alisae has made it clear on MULTIPLE occasions e believes (just as I do) that role != alignment, that play > role 100% of the time. I'm not townreading you for your claim, nor Nahdia for their claim, nor JaeReed's slot for their claim. I'm townreading you all for your play and how you've handled things in key parts of the game. (Including how you've handled your role but that's still partially play more than role.)

I'm scumreading gerryoat for his play and how he's handled things in key parts of the game. (Though I do think his role makes a lot of sense as a scum role.) I'm scumreading osuka for his play and also how he's not addressing key parts of the game (including how he should really claim because he is quite literally the ONLY player in the game to have not claimed at this stage meaning a massclaim absolutely is justified). I've got a lesser scumread on LUV for his play and how he's handled things in key parts of the game (among them his refusal to out his track results when there is no pro-town reason to do so especially with literally every slot having claimed save osuka).

Still want to lynch me over confirmed mafia to each other?

Fuck yes I do. Because contrary to the narrative you've attempted to sell, my case on you has NEVER been at ANY point "gerryoat is confirmed scum because of role-related reasons". We had--and who knows, may still have--good role-related reasons to believe you were scum, sure. But those reasons only served to augment an already-existing strong read of the game.

Impoetic's failed masonize, when there are multiple possible causes for the failure (redirection, busdriving, rolestopping, roleblocking, etc.), is in of itself not reason to lynch a player. Yes it is true the possible causes for failure are speculation...but.
Actually.

You know what.

I've got a perfect example to explain this.

It's called Mini Normal 1920. As in, a game

you were in

that I modded which is perfectly relevant to my stance here. In that game, GreyICE was a Loyal Cop. Loyal Cops get results of "Town" on town, "Mafia" on millers, and "No Result" on Mafia. They also get "No Result" if their action fails from other factors such as a roleblock (which that game had). In the game, GreyICE investigated FormerFish and got a "No Result".

By play, FormerFish was (to me) obviously town. Yet the town blindly trusted in the result and lynched him, nearly paving the way to a scum win. Alisae, this game's moderator, ended up conceding defeat but I maintain that if Alisae had chosen to fight Alisae not only could have made it to lylo but could have WON that game. (And the town players alive all agreed.) The town managed to recover from the blunder, but the fact still remains that FormerFish was lynched off of role rather than play. And flipped town. Hurting the town in the process.

Same basic deal here. We have a theoretical guilty result between us and Nahdia, thanks to Impoetic. If we blindly assume that role = alignment, that's one lynch followed by another when the first is shown to be a mislynch. But I'm not blind, and Alisae with game design isn't either. Role doesn't equal alignment. And play > role 100% of the time.

I townread Nahdia's play.
So no. I will not blindly sheep a result which was likely fucked with. If someone provides a case on our slot then I will provide a response but I don't expect anyone will because nobody is interested in making a case since they know there's fuckall in ways to make one because a case on us when we've bled town will be clear as day absolute shit.

If someone provides a case on Nahdia then I will listen. I will take it under consideration. But most likely I'll be explaining to them why I disagree with the points raised and instead think Nahdia's town.

Mafiascum operates by logic.
Not by roles.
Logic.
Mafiascum is not EpicMafia.
We do not rely on roles.

We fucking scumhunt.
And by fucking scumhunting.
Nahdia is not scum.

Still a thing.
Again.
We raise a point.
You ignore it and pretend we didn't, pushing the same shit as if the point didn't exist.

[Purple Nurple]

It's really gonna piss me off if Gerry has been right for all the wrong reasons this game.

Is it gonna piss you off even more if we've been right on gerry for the right reasons the whole game and then you end up NOT lynching him in spite of that?

[Purple Nurple]

impoetic. you have confirmed mafia in Nahdia and Purple and wanna lynch me? what lol

if the guilty was fake then there's still a chance i was roleblocked somehow, and i feel like the guilty being fake is really, really, really suspicious almost no matter what. That's why I'm torn. You're right though, it's probably better to lynch between the other two

Impoetic please keep reading.
Like.
Really really really I need you to not stop there on GERRY'S content.

And to actually read MINE.

Yes

.
I know.
I am verbose.
I wallpost.

I make lengthy posts rather than shorter ones.

But I absolutely need you to fucking pay attention to what I am saying in there.
And then when you see what I've said. Judge for yourself. Look at gerry's (lack of) response(s) to my points. Look at gerry dodging, deflecting, and all-around avoiding direct confrontation which he writes off with "lol"s and generic declarations of "purple is scum". Look at gerry's points and how they keep repeating, then look at how we respond to the points he brings up, yet he never acknowledges our counters.

He is not engaging because he knows he will lose.

[Purple Nurple]

I see people fake claim all the time on this site. RC fake claimed cop to get me lynched (WHEN I WAS THE ACTUAL COP) and no one cared. Me leaving out a part of my cop role isn't as bad as that.

context you ignoramus

[Purple Nurple]

mastina and I are in agreement nahdia is town so if we are ABSOLUTLEY FORCED we will vote impoetic over nahdia. but, I think at this point we both agree gerry needs to he lynched. flavour cop isn't even an important role for town, if you're town I completely agree with mastina/nahdia/jae that you played literally one of the worst games I've ever seen, and if you consider this good play you're just as garbage a player. i still think you're scum, though, and as scum you aren't the same level of garbage. its better for you if you are scum, ut allows me to keep one shred of respect for you as a player. nahdia is town as fuck, there's no planet where I'm voting there period. seriously. you already tried appealing to me earlier because you know I don't tunnel. i gave you a shot. you aren't fucking town and eat rope now and if any townie in this game doesn't vote you they're just as bad as you.

[Purple Nurple]

gerry has also dodged giving actual reasons for us being scum over and over so

[Purple Nurple]

or scum fucked with the role somehow? if this is a game with no nks scum must be pretty fucking strong, masonizer in a micro is a lot as it is

[Purple Nurple]

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[Purple Nurple]

or scum fucked with the role somehow? if this is a game with no nks scum must be pretty fucking strong, masonizer in a micro is a lot as it is

Yes. You are a blocker. And you say maf has strong abilities but I'm literally confirmed flavor cop

factional abilities. if mafia don't have a kill, they clearly have factional abilities. flavor cop is public, that makes sense as one. and stop trying to buddy sonia, dumbass.

[Purple Nurple]

considering your way of winning is to fake ate a bunch of bullshit as scum I find it hard to see nahdia as the bad person

[Purple Nurple]

I assumed a guilty. Wanted maf to think it was me and kill me if they are saving vig shots

this is still implicitly wrong and a perspective slip. let's take a look

>gerry claimed public alignment cop
>gerry is actually public alignment cop
>there is a town public alignment cop with the exact same flavor as gerry's town public flavor cop
>said public alignment cop chose or was unable to not use their action previously
>said public alignment cop chose not to cc gerry claiming their exact same role down to a T (same message)
>gerry immediately entered the day believing that claim, no questions asked, ready to believe that claim was from town, ready to quicklynch us and move to the next day with no questions asked

this is so fucking bullshit. if either of gerry or luv post in the thread again without replying to this directly and explaining how it makes any fucking sense I'm voteparking them for the rest of the game and if they both do it I'm doing that to both of them back and forth.

I think this alone is enough to make gerry scum. mastina, the reason I don't wallpost pages of arguments like you usually is that scum tend to ignore stuff and just cherrypick replies, and most town are too lazy or bad to understand what's happening. let me center this focus and let Sonia respond to it. i don't really give a fuck about what gerry says at this point, there's nothing he could say to make me townread him tbqh

[Purple Nurple]

Maria being awful. cool.

[Purple Nurple]

why are you town? ^^

if you've read the game and think mastina is scum you're scum or trash.

[Purple Nurple]

I am not an alignment cop, but i knew if i said I was just flavor cop, i'd be lynched. so i lied lolol. but i mean, it seems mafia has no night kill anyway so, mastina just tried to frame me regardless

I am catching up at this exact moment but I am so fucking confused by this daystart. Yeah, I think gerry can't be town right now and it's absurd that he's acting like it's obvious he is, but

unless someone claims roleblocker or similar, there is absolutely one mafia in nahdia and purple.

The fact that both are unwilling to lynch each other and hesitant to lynch me is absurd. Almost as absurd as Gerry talking nonchalantly about how his lie that looks about as convenient as it ccan possibly get and would confirm him in

any

game of epicmafia should NOT lead people to FOS him now. I don't know.

I am not skipping any one specific person's posts, I just procrastinated on catching up. I'm going to get as far as I can now.

why the fuck would a mafia roleblocker claim roleblocker? there's many reasons your action could fail, we just had a night skip, who knows what happened. whereas there's gerry who's basically conf scum

[Purple Nurple]

Full claim Maria thanks.

I assumed a guilty. Wanted maf to think it was me and kill me if they are saving vig shots

this is still implicitly wrong and a perspective slip. let's take a look

>gerry claimed public alignment cop
>gerry is actually public alignment cop
>there is a town public alignment cop with the exact same flavor as gerry's town public flavor cop
>said public alignment cop chose or was unable to not use their action previously
>said public alignment cop chose not to cc gerry claiming their exact same role down to a T (same message)
>gerry immediately entered the day believing that claim, no questions asked, ready to believe that claim was from town, ready to quicklynch us and move to the next day with no questions asked

this is so fucking bullshit. if either of gerry or luv post in the thread again without replying to this directly and explaining how it makes any fucking sense I'm voteparking them for the rest of the game and if they both do it I'm doing that to both of them back and forth.

I think this alone is enough to make gerry scum. mastina, the reason I don't wallpost pages of arguments like you usually is that scum tend to ignore stuff and just cherrypick replies, and most town are too lazy or bad to understand what's happening. let me center this focus and let Sonia respond to it. i don't really give a fuck about what gerry says at this point, there's nothing he could say to make me townread him tbqh

yet to see someone argue this utter bullshit is justified

[Purple Nurple]

It's optimal to lynch in your guilty than not. You know this.

it's not a guilty, it's town using common sense. remember how you tried to say our roleblock wasn't q guilty, and how you're now arguing the opposite?

[Purple Nurple]

For the game to require one to be lynched to start killing*

Too many mislynches for town, unless they have some weird twist of a role or wincon only they know about? That would surely be a swingy setup though, right?

1x game wide roleblock explains the night skip

[Purple Nurple]

impoetic, nahdia is lock town. I'm never voting them this game period. if that makes me scum from your pov, so be it. nahdia is town.

[Purple Nurple]

It's optimal to lynch in your guilty than not. You know this.

it's not a guilty, it's town using common sense. remember how you tried to say our roleblock wasn't q guilty, and how you're now arguing the opposite?

A report is different than a roleblock

excuse me?

[Purple Nurple]

he got a report saying masonizing myself and nahdia failed, if this is normal masonizing mechanics.

[Purple Nurple]

A Mason Recruiter or Masonizer is a similar role for Masons. However, if a Masonizer targets someone who is not Town-aligned, the action will fail. Commonly, the Masonizer will also die in the process. This is a particularly powerful role when used.


this seems to be q different version of that, which targets two others and pits them in a masonry. but, impo, why would you even receive a result from that? I'm confused. when I've seen masonizers of the variant you're claiming the masonizer doesn't get any message

[Purple Nurple]

impoetic, nahdia is lock town. I'm never voting them this game period. if that makes me scum from your pov, so be it. nahdia is town.

If that's the case, then I would have expected you to start pushing for my lynch when I said that, or not appeal to me at all since I votesat on you and outed a report that, although likely to be irrelevant now, was still a way to throw shade on both of you, who are apparently town, on the day that scum is pushing for your lynch.

Whatever. Nahdia does look extremely towny in the pages I'm reading now and it does seem like things are piling up against gerry now, so this statement does make sense. I am so fucking stupid regardless of who is scum here though omg.

remember when I said I'll vote you over nahdia if I'm absolutely forced to but would much rather not? if there's a scum in you and nahdia it's you, but I pretty firmly believe something fucked with the action to prevent it from working and we are all town. do you see any balance in a 1x masonizer (creating 2 conf towns) along with role madness in a micro where scum can't even kill seemingly? no, exqctly. scum need to have some pretty damn good pr counters to stand a chance.

[Purple Nurple]

Impoetic ask what would happen if you were roleblocked what the report you would get

he's free to ask, but we wouldn't be masonized.

[Purple Nurple]

nahdia town as fuck now i'm doubting impo

if you were doubting me here I feel you should be doubting me later.

That said, I feel I'm 99% voting gerry before the end of this real life day, but that's also how I felt when I failed to masonize you and saw a guilty on you before disappearing at daystart. So...

my reason for doubting you was voting us and following thst awful fake guilty so eh.

[Purple Nurple]

i still think the team is gerry + osuka

[Purple Nurple]

I'm vla till Sunday and idk where mastina is but y'all are fucking trash besides impo and possibly nahdia so let me make something abundantly clear

if this becomes one of the worst cases of garbage town syndrome (GTD) I've seen and you lynch an obviously town slot hat had put a ton of effort in over on obv scum who faked a confirmable role to avoid a lynch - DO NOT EVER VOTE NAHDIA OR IMPOETIC. I DON'T GIVE A FUCJ ABOUT THE GUILTY, TEYRE BOTH TOWN AND YOU'RE GOING TO GAMETHROW MORE THAN YOU COMPLRTE MORONS ALRRADY HAVE

radio announcement from Eddie

and for gerry who jeeps pushing "there's no second roleblock therefore I'm conf scum", if you think alisae would make a micro with no/restricted kills and a town role that innos 2 ppl, you're a moron. impoetic and nahdia are lock town on play and if you mislynch then this goes from you having a bad game to being a bad player

okay bye

[Purple Nurple]

>ignores 5000 valid points against self

>haaha funny ate

[Purple Nurple]

yea, with lol obv scum

[Purple Nurple]

I'm not mad at gerry, he's scum here. this is how he plays scum. whatever caused the replace, I'm pissed because jae got replaced by a pocketed dunce

[Purple Nurple]

whatever town is in osuka/luv and Sonia, you're who's making me angry. this is so fucking shameful, I'm legitimately awestruck people can even be this bad thst I thought were decent players.

[Purple Nurple]

ate is working for you gerry I might as well join on

[Purple Nurple]

actually, i do that in all my games, and you know that. you're so fucking lucky the ot her person who knows your meta is gone, because this is scum!gerry as fuck, but i don't even need meta. we've given very legitimate cases you haven't responded to with anything substantial.

[Purple Nurple]

I assumed a guilty. Wanted maf to think it was me and kill me if they are saving vig shots

this is still implicitly wrong and a perspective slip. let's take a look

>gerry claimed public alignment cop
>gerry is actually public alignment cop
>there is a town public alignment cop with the exact same flavor as gerry's town public flavor cop
>said public alignment cop chose or was unable to not use their action previously
>said public alignment cop chose not to cc gerry claiming their exact same role down to a T (same message)
>gerry immediately entered the day believing that claim, no questions asked, ready to believe that claim was from town, ready to quicklynch us and move to the next day with no questions asked

this is so fucking bullshit. if either of gerry or luv post in the thread again without replying to this directly and explaining how it makes any fucking sense I'm voteparking them for the rest of the game and if they both do it I'm doing that to both of them back and forth.

I think this alone is enough to make gerry scum. mastina, the reason I don't wallpost pages of arguments like you usually is that scum tend to ignore stuff and just cherrypick replies, and most town are too lazy or bad to understand what's happening. let me center this focus and let Sonia respond to it. i don't really give a fuck about what gerry says at this point, there's nothing he could say to make me townread him tbqh

If you were town you would reevaluate.

We have reevaluated reads. We reevaluated the Oggs/Mathblade slot. We reevaluated Nahdia. We reevaluated and are still reevaluating LUV. I personally have reevaluated osuka. Eddie has reevaluated you. We've done nothing BUT reevaluation.

Where's yours?

You say you believe impoetic. So you should have a confirmed mafia in your eyes. Either you think impoetic is lying. Or you think nahdia is mafia.

And I say that because I was a one-shot masonizer, and I masonized purple+nahdia. They aren't teamed. Bye. Wow. Much reveal. Many doggo.

Frankly fuck the result. I'll let a scum Nahdia win any day. I don't give a damn about roleclaims. I believe your claim, yes. I think it confirms you as town, yes. But I will not lynch Nahdia, results be damned. Because Nahdia is town even if that's not what their rolecard says. (But I'm still reasonably confident Nahdia is town.) You are town period. JaeReed's slot is town period.

If you think Nahdia is scum off of play (I do not), then I'll listen.
If you think we're scum off of play you're wrong but you should still present your reasons for thinking that.

Because I can't stress enough.
Alisae is NOT a mod who believes games should be breakable by roles.
Alisae has made it clear on MULTIPLE occasions e believes (just as I do) that role != alignment, that play > role 100% of the time. I'm not townreading you for your claim, nor Nahdia for their claim, nor JaeReed's slot for their claim. I'm townreading you all for your play and how you've handled things in key parts of the game. (Including how you've handled your role but that's still partially play more than role.)

I'm scumreading gerryoat for his play and how he's handled things in key parts of the game. (Though I do think his role makes a lot of sense as a scum role.) I'm scumreading osuka for his play and also how he's not addressing key parts of the game (including how he should really claim because he is quite literally the ONLY player in the game to have not claimed at this stage meaning a massclaim absolutely is justified). I've got a lesser scumread on LUV for his play and how he's handled things in key parts of the game (among them his refusal to out his track results when there is no pro-town reason to do so especially with literally every slot having claimed save osuka).

Still want to lynch me over confirmed mafia to each other?

Fuck yes I do. Because contrary to the narrative you've attempted to sell, my case on you has NEVER been at ANY point "gerryoat is confirmed scum because of role-related reasons". We had--and who knows, may still have--good role-related reasons to believe you were scum, sure. But those reasons only served to augment an already-existing strong read of the game.

Impoetic's failed masonize, when there are multiple possible causes for the failure (redirection, busdriving, rolestopping, roleblocking, etc.), is in of itself not reason to lynch a player. Yes it is true the possible causes for failure are speculation...but.
Actually.

You know what.

I've got a perfect example to explain this.

It's called Mini Normal 1920. As in, a game

you were in

that I modded which is perfectly relevant to my stance here. In that game, GreyICE was a Loyal Cop. Loyal Cops get results of "Town" on town, "Mafia" on millers, and "No Result" on Mafia. They also get "No Result" if their action fails from other factors such as a roleblock (which that game had). In the game, GreyICE investigated FormerFish and got a "No Result".

By play, FormerFish was (to me) obviously town. Yet the town blindly trusted in the result and lynched him, nearly paving the way to a scum win. Alisae, this game's moderator, ended up conceding defeat but I maintain that if Alisae had chosen to fight Alisae not only could have made it to lylo but could have WON that game. (And the town players alive all agreed.) The town managed to recover from the blunder, but the fact still remains that FormerFish was lynched off of role rather than play. And flipped town. Hurting the town in the process.

Same basic deal here. We have a theoretical guilty result between us and Nahdia, thanks to Impoetic. If we blindly assume that role = alignment, that's one lynch followed by another when the first is shown to be a mislynch. But I'm not blind, and Alisae with game design isn't either. Role doesn't equal alignment. And play > role 100% of the time.

I townread Nahdia's play.
So no. I will not blindly sheep a result which was likely fucked with. If someone provides a case on our slot then I will provide a response but I don't expect anyone will because nobody is interested in making a case since they know there's fuckall in ways to make one because a case on us when we've bled town will be clear as day absolute shit.

If someone provides a case on Nahdia then I will listen. I will take it under consideration. But most likely I'll be explaining to them why I disagree with the points raised and instead think Nahdia's town.

Mafiascum operates by logic.
Not by roles.
Logic.
Mafiascum is not EpicMafia.
We do not rely on roles.

We fucking scumhunt.
And by fucking scumhunting.
Nahdia is not scum.

Still a thing.
Again.
We raise a point.
You ignore it and pretend we didn't, pushing the same shit as if the point didn't exist.

LOL purple obvious maf. Won't lynch someone they believe is confirmed to them

"PURPLE IS MAF"
"Oh really? Mind showing why? Because we think you're scum for these reasons here. Yet you continue to not give us any response other than lol. Wanna change that?"
"LOL PURPLE IS MAF".

Do I need to quote the posts where I show why we feel gerry is scum, quote the posts where we ask gerry to provide responses, and then quote literally every gerry post thereafter to demonstrate how he doesn't and instead does this? Because yeah.

gerry's response to us raising points? "LOL".
Our response to gerry's pushes: explanations, logic, and reasoning.

Also.
This is an appeal to all of:

NAHDIA, IMPOETIC, JAEREED'S SLOT (when eventually filled), AND WHICHEVER OF THE ONE IN LUV/OSUKA WOULD BE TOWN:

Tell me.
What say you to this.
gerry is scum.
gerry ends up alive in endgame, endgaming the town for whatever shitty reason.

How the fuck will you feel.
If you let a scumfuck go.
In violation of Lynch All Liars?

How the fuck will you feel.
If someone who is A PROVEN FUCKING LIAR.
Ends up endgaming you.
Because you refused to fucking lynch the liar the moment he was demonstrated a liar?

Will you ever be able to forgive yourself.
For making such an absurdly stupid mistake.
By letting a liar live.
And then letting that liar endgame you?

Well I tell you that you might be able to but I sure as fuck won't.
When you have a player who is caught in a fucking lie.
You lynch the fucking liar.

If they are scum. Then proven-lying-scum doesn't endgame you.
If they are town. Then it is a lesson to them to not fucking repeat the mistake and play like scum.
The risk of the former, of it being scum. Means you can't give an idiot pass on the hopes of the latter. No matter how much you might want to give mercy to someone who honestly deserves fuckall in the way of it.

Ive laid out multiple scenarios where it makes sense purple is maf. And I was right about the fake block to get a mislynch

Oh? Do tell. Give me one which does not include "Purple is mafia because they have been pushing me the entire game."

For that matter, name a single game where I as scum go all-out swinging on an attempt to mislynch a player.
I'll wait.
You know why I can wait?
Because search all you want. You'll never find one because I don't fucking play this way as scum and there's a unique kind of fired up and pissed off that I can never fake as scum and yet which is the entirety of my play this game.

You've tried strawmanning our arguments. You've tried misrepping our points. We've clarified them, we've pointed out how and why your counter was wrong and held no water. Yet you act as if the things you've said were never given a proper answer, while spewing the same shit time and time again, all the while, we continue to give new angles, new approaches, new evidence, as time progresses. Because that's the difference between town and scum. Scum thrive on misdirection and repetition. Towns thrive on directly going to the point and giving new angles.

I seriously will spend the time quoting my entire fucking iso if need be to demonstrate the progression in thought we've had RE: your slot.
I will also spend the time if necessary quoting yours to show the lack of said nuances. How the arguments you made then are still being made now...in spite of facts having changed. (Including, importantly, YOUR FUCKING CLAIM BEING SHOWN FALSE. You are still defending yourself using THE EXACT SAME REASONING you did yesterday in spite of your claim having changed overnight when proven a falsehood.)

Logic vs insults. Let's see what wins

Indeed. I'll be sorely disappointed if your insults win though because we've shown why you're scum and your sum total reason for why we're scum?

"Because they keep pushing me as scum!"

We've given reason after reason after reason for you being scum. We've explained in multiple dimensions each of these beliefs and fleshed out their nuances. When you point out a flaw, we both acknowledge the point, and explain our stance on you in further detail where we lay out why we don't think the flaw is legitimate but even were we to concede its fairness why we continue the push anyway.

You're not scum for any one reason that you can write off as "lol" (which is exactly what you've been doing).
You're scum for EVERYTHING we've been bringing up.

"Um! He's still maf! Obviously!"

Yes because we've been calling you mafia even before roles. We've been calling you mafia since N1. You've been our hardest push the entire fucking game and for damn good reason.

You've bitched and moaned about how terrible the people are that have called you scum. And done no real scumhunting outside of OMGUSing the players attacking you. You've whined about how town you are constantly. While doing nothing to actually move the game forward. You've spammed. You've posted fluff. You've posted things which didn't actually matter. Yet you've done nothing. You haven't pushed. The closest you've come to pushing is voting players who voted you first.

You voted us on a "guilty" you knew was not your own and never thought to for so much as one second question it whatsoever even remotely. When Nahdia pointed out it was fake, you casted shade on them along-side LUV. When Nahdia was able to prove themselves (as much as proof is possible anyway), you continued to resist the unvote, crying out "why" when the reason for voting has been shown false. (Hey speaking of which isn't that exactly what you fucking accused us of? So yeah we can add hypocrisy to the list of reasons why you're scum regardless of whether you're mafia or not.)

Nothing about what you've done the entire fucking game.
Has been even remotely. Whatsoever. Town.

Ok so. The basis of voting me was the fact that ppl thought that purple blocked a kill from me. But now it's obvious there is no maf kill. So..

No, the basis of voting you was you've been a scumfuck the entire time. You've been playing to your scum meta. You've been playing in a pro-scum way the entire game. You've been doing nothing productive.

And it may be true that the lack of a N2 nightkill calls into question whether the mafia could kill N1 (I maintain it for a variety of reasons but I will at least acknowledge the argument if for no other reason than to humor you though that's frankly more than you deserve), buuuuuut...replacing this? Replacing this is the fact that you lied about your fucking role. And not just any lie. You told a lie specifically to try and lynch us.

Your logic for pushing us boiled down to, "They're pushing me when I can confirm myself as town tomorrow!" Except you didn't fucking confirm yourself as town so your push on us was bullshit. Then you spun that same lie to lynch Mathblade over yourself. "They gladiated me when I can confirm myself as town tomorrow!" Same problem: you didn't fucking confirm yourself as town today. Everything we said about you N2 turned out true. We said you weren't a proven alignment cop. You weren't. We said you wouldn't prove your alignment. You didn't. You called US the fucking liars for SAYING STUFF WHICH WAS TRUE AND YOU FUCKING KNEW WAS TRUE.

You fucking lied to escape the noose. You fucking lied to try and push not one but TWO lynches through. You fucking lied when we called you rightly out on your bullshit. At every stage you were lying to our faces while claiming we were in the wrong to push you on your bullshit. And if it never occurred to a town you that this would be the natural consequence? Damn fucking straight I'm lynching your ass for it. It's either something you deliberately did as scum (in which case, lynch you), or which you need a HARSH reality lesson in why the fuck you never ever EVER do it (in which case, lynch you because that's the only lesson we have to teach).

Either way, you die.

[Purple Nurple]

you keep citing your garbage meta of "i always fake claim as town", but when you do fake claim as town you don't claim a confirmable role to avoid getting lynched, the next day when that role is proved wrong scumread people who called you out on it, and your fake claims are things that aren't overly strong ("joat" "pr" is not the same as "i am public cop you idiots"). and, again, you are literally just trying to stay alive. you keep pushing us as scum, but i think if you were town you would know we are misguided town here. your entire game has been whiny ate bullshit. earlier, you asked to talk to eddie because mastina was tunnelled. i was the dumbass, i shouldve listened to mastina and not doubted how certain she was youre scum. fuck the fuck off.

again.

you claimed public alignment cop

we enter the day, with a public alignment check worded EXACTLY LIKE YOU CLAIMED AND YOUR ACTUAL ROLE

you do not even question it, you immediately sheep the guilty

this would mean whoever had the public alignment check did not cc you claiming their EXACT ROLE, somethign that would never happen

this would mean you didn't even DOUBT that

i don't even need more. that's not a fucking town mindset, and if you think it is you're trash at mafia. fuck the fuck off. this is some of the most obvious scum play i've ever seen, i'm in a game with "experienced players" and they're wagoning a strong role held by a strong player who's pushing obv scum and is townie as shit in the iso even in a nonexistent world with town gerry. honestly. if mafia is this bad nowadays idk why i keep coming back to ms, i left my home site because ithought it was shit but honestly this is worse. straight up disgusting. i'm going to ate, insult, and belittle people, fuck yea, this is utterly shameful.

[Purple Nurple]

I'm sorry if I end up shitting the bed Eddie

you haven't yet. currently only sonia has, is sonia a mariar alt? idr

[Purple Nurple]

actually, i do that in all my games, and you know that. you're so fucking lucky the ot her person who knows your meta is gone, because this is scum!gerry as fuck, but i don't even need meta. we've given very legitimate cases you haven't responded to with anything substantial.

yes... the person who played at most 3 games with me. vs 3 people (Impoetic, Nahdia, Sonia) who have played with me for like 3 years... gosh if only the person who has played 3 games with me was still here..

ive played 9-10 games with you, ive spectated more, and mastina has spectated more. jae is the same. if they have played with you for 3 years and cant tell this is your scum game i'm literally gonna lol because that's pathetic.

[Purple Nurple]

this is still implicitly wrong and a perspective slip. let's take a look

>gerry claimed public alignment cop
>gerry is actually public alignment cop
>there is a town public alignment cop with the exact same flavor as gerry's town public flavor cop
>said public alignment cop chose or was unable to not use their action previously
>said public alignment cop chose not to cc gerry claiming their exact same role down to a T (same message)
>gerry immediately entered the day believing that claim, no questions asked, ready to believe that claim was from town, ready to quicklynch us and move to the next day with no questions asked

this is so fucking bullshit. if either of gerry or luv post in the thread again without replying to this directly and explaining how it makes any fucking sense I'm voteparking them for the rest of the game and if they both do it I'm doing that to both of them back and forth.

Your logic is flawed here and I'll tell you why.

1.) You're assuming that I was really public alignment cop when I was not.

2.) The public alignment cop checked my scumread and got a guilty on it, so of course I'd lynch it without question.

3.) I didn't claim to have that report at all, and I wanted to bait a night kill in the even the report was real and you were mafia. and maf was somehow saving a vig shot or 2.

4.) I figured why the hell would they claim cop, when they can just stay hidden and make it look like I'm the cop cause they can still get their reports in public regardless.

1) exactly, you're not. you claimed public alignment cop. If there was a real public alignment cop, they 100% would've ccd you for claiming word for word the same role as them, what possible universe do they not? do you think anyone in this game is bad enoguh to believe a 9p game has 2 public sane cops aligned with town?

2) the public alignment cop that exists and has the same role as you claimed

3) you didn't deny the report until directly asked, and you sheeped an unknown entity juts because a message appeared in the op. you play on other sites, i'm certain you've seen announcers and criers which are very commonly aligned with the mafia, and yet with absolutely no discussion you're ready to risk quickhammering a strong town pr and bait the nk because ~lol~

4) if you're playing a game, and you're gunsmith, and somoene claims gunsmith at l1 to avoid a lynch and push the person calling out their claim, you don't cc? answer this honestly. because if any player is bad enough to not cc here i'm completely wrong at the skill level of this game.

[Purple Nurple]

Yeah she's a Maria alt.

okay. makes sense why she's voting me then. she gamethrew in the large i subbed into too ages ago.

[Purple Nurple]

It's called Mini Normal 1920. As in, a game you were in that I modded which is perfectly relevant to my stance here. In that game, GreyICE was a Loyal Cop. Loyal Cops get results of "Town" on town, "Mafia" on millers, and "No Result" on Mafia. They also get "No Result" if their action fails from other factors such as a roleblock (which that game had). In the game, GreyICE investigated FormerFish and got a "No Result".

By play, FormerFish was (to me) obviously town. Yet the town blindly trusted in the result and lynched him, nearly paving the way to a scum win. Alisae, this game's moderator, ended up conceding defeat but I maintain that if Alisae had chosen to fight Alisae not only could have made it to lylo but could have WON that game. (And the town players alive all agreed.) The town managed to recover from the blunder, but the fact still remains that FormerFish was lynched off of role rather than play. And flipped town. Hurting the town in the process.

Same basic deal here. We have a theoretical guilty result between us and Nahdia, thanks to Impoetic. If we blindly assume that role = alignment, that's one lynch followed by another when the first is shown to be a mislynch. But I'm not blind, and Alisae with game design isn't either. Role doesn't equal alignment. And play > role 100% of the time.

So what does that have to do with anything? Loyal cop is not the same as a Loyal Masonizer. as I understand (sorry if wrong) but the only ways it can be wrong is if it was blocked. I believe Impoetic asked about the role already. SO the only way there is not a maf in you is if there is another roleblocker that happened to target impoetic that night.

Or the fact there was a night skip that did ~things~? The fact this is an Alisae game and there wouldn't be a gamebreaking role? Idgaf how its wrong, but its wrong, nahdia and impoetic are town.

[Purple Nurple]

you keep citing your garbage meta of "i always fake claim as town", but when you do fake claim as town you don't claim a confirmable role to avoid getting lynched, the next day when that role is proved wrong scumread people who called you out on it, and your fake claims are things that aren't overly strong ("joat" "pr" is not the same as "i am public cop you idiots"). and, again, you are literally just trying to stay alive. you keep pushing us as scum, but i think if you were town you would know we are misguided town here. your entire game has been whiny ate bullshit. earlier, you asked to talk to eddie because mastina was tunnelled. i was the dumbass, i shouldve listened to mastina and not doubted how certain she was youre scum. fuck the fuck off.

I fakeclaim as town or mafia what i'm trying to say it's NAI. You shouldnt scumread me based on a fake claim. Who cares what the role is. I try to claim ambiguous things so i wont be lynched. But I was clearly public in this case and clearly a cop of some sort so i had to claim what i was given with.

if you legitimately link me a game where you've claimed something like this, as town, and then tunnelled the people pushing you, i will possibly stop pushing you here and just blacklist you in the future, because if you're legitimately this bad as town i have no wish to play with you ever again

[Purple Nurple]

actually, i do that in all my games, and you know that. you're so fucking lucky the ot her person who knows your meta is gone, because this is scum!gerry as fuck, but i don't even need meta. we've given very legitimate cases you haven't responded to with anything substantial.

yes... the person who played at most 3 games with me. vs 3 people (Impoetic, Nahdia, Sonia) who have played with me for like 3 years... gosh if only the person who has played 3 games with me was still here..

ive played 9-10 games with you, ive spectated more, and mastina has spectated more. jae is the same. if they have played with you for 3 years and cant tell this is your scum game i'm literally gonna lol because that's pathetic.

blah blah blah. now you're just making bullshit excuses when i come up with an argument. they've played literal hundreds of games with me. Sonia is convinced she can read me so, if she really thought i was mafia, she would vote me here.

well then lets see what she thinks after reading

[Purple Nurple]

Give me a reason I am maf that is not: Roleblocked n1 or fake claim

i'm not repeating my fucking iso.

[Purple Nurple]

Where's Mastina the logical head of that hydra I wanna talk to them because Eddie's just gonna insult me all day.

sorry, I'm being a dick. irl is translating to the game, along with frustration. i hate robb, but you're right, im acting like him in a way.

[Purple Nurple]

gonna avoid this thread for a day to calm down bye

[Purple Nurple]

okay, is there anything i need to reply to? i'm vla till sunday and wanted to avoid this game but mastinai s gone too so might as well prodge

impo and nahdia and sonia are still lock town btw.

[Purple Nurple]

Where's Mastina the logical head of that hydra I wanna talk to them because Eddie's just gonna insult me all day.

sorry, I'm being a dick. irl is translating to the game, along with frustration. i hate robb, but you're right, im acting like him in a way.

No problem. Now I'm gonna do my best to be as non bias as I can be yes I know gerry a lot and him fake claiming is very NAI at least to me did he force claims out by doing so or anything like that.
Anything besides the fact he fake claimed you can tell me to look at for why he's scum?
Pedit: Okay that's fine ^^

i'll let you talk to mastina when she gets back. i don't have the energy to get into it. mastina is 100% convinced gerry's scum, i agree with her logic in the hydra pt, so she'll probably be the good one to talk to.

[Purple Nurple]

i don't really have a right to be angry, gerry is just scum playing well enough to avoid getting lynched after being basically guilty'd by actions, and manipulating people who know him. i'm leaving again, but seriously, if you're town please try and read my iso and tell me AFTER that to my face that i'm (i being purple nurple, so mastina and myself) scum, because i legitimately can't understand how you could read that and see red even IF you townread gerry for some reason.

[Purple Nurple]

Only Impo.

mastina lock towns jae and we both agree nahdia is town. we are never voting there. i think the team is osuka/gerry, and you're probably town, but eh. i'm very off put by how this game is going. gonna dip again for a couple days, sorry folks

[Purple Nurple]

not even giving the "scum played mediocre town played worse" line because i think scum played worse than mediocre, scum played bad other than rc for the short time he was here (even then, it wasn't one of rcs better showings by any means). nothing against gerry, he tried his hardest to not get lynched and thanks to the average town iq of 6 he succeeded. incredibly disappointed two scum we hard caught d1 won the game, and i find it hilarious gerry wasn't lynched even after myself and mastina. shame on town. next time don't sheep a guilty that scum obviously would have had a way to play around (THIS GAME WAS MEANT TO BE BALANCED).

all i gotta say, when you see the dead thread there's more anger. no anger anymore, just apathy.

-eddie

[Purple Nurple]

also, luv lying about his action at least was fine. not doing it once was ok i guess for a unicycle game even if annoying, twice is kinda disgraceful. but at that point, luv had to lie about it. this is a scenario where you NEED to lie because town couldn't afford his mislynch. that part was optimal at least.

[Purple Nurple]

btw mastina/eddie you can read maf PT, i actually didn't know the things i was asking in the game thread. Like I thought you guys could be 3rd party at first and I didn't know the night/day mechanics. so you trying to say i was faking it is wrong lol

mastina said that, i disagreed with that push. i told her to post it anyways because i thought it would look townie though.

[Purple Nurple]

i did call ali obvscum in the game referenced in dead thread
I thought my play in this game was very good. I think you don't understand what I was really trying to do here if you think otherwise.
grats titus/gerry for the win.

I don't think your play was very good, I think it was alright and better than the other 3 people who rolled scum and that is it. If I wasn't hammered while I was away, there was a big case coming, but whatevs. You were playing a legit scum strat, but I don't blame people who haven't used that strat for not picking up on it.

Also yes, this setup was /very/ townsided. I think the only thing that made it okay was all of the kill wifom that alisae said wasn't intentional (:giggle:) and people not understanding setup spec.

[Purple Nurple]

Until I realize how to make role madness work in nightless games, I will not attempt to combine the two
because then you get

well
this

hmu if you want setup review for unicycle.

[Purple Nurple]

i did call ali obvscum in the game referenced in dead thread
I thought my play in this game was very good. I think you don't understand what I was really trying to do here if you think otherwise.
grats titus/gerry for the win.

I don't think your play was very good, I think it was alright and better than the other 3 people who rolled scum and that is it. If I wasn't hammered while I was away, there was a big case coming, but whatevs. You were playing a legit scum strat, but I don't blame people who haven't used that strat for not picking up on it.

Also yes, this setup was /very/ townsided. I think the only thing that made it okay was all of the kill wifom that alisae said wasn't intentional (:giggle:) and people not understanding setup spec.

I think you underestimate how hard it was to get townread while pushing scum wincon that hard.

Oh, you were in an awful position, definitely. Gerry was lock scum to anyone with a brain and osuka had just basically fosd us and done jack squat else while chain defending gerry. I think the optimal play there was bussing gerry, but yes, the setup makes that very hard. Short version, you played in an "altruistic" way, but in a scummy version of that, but I probably only saw that because I play very similarly to that when I'm scum sometimes though probably less polished.

Why did you replace?

[Purple Nurple]

bussing was auto loss. i dont think i played bad like you guys are saying. day 1 i was getting TR by everyone but purple, and the false guilty on me is what changed everything

I mean, you didn't necessarily play bad early. People letting you live after you perspective slipped was fucking horrible though. Which you did. d3 on is where I think you played pretty awful. The false guilty I doubted, but it didn't really matter, we scumread you outside of it.