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Post #114 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:26 pm
Postby Not Known 15 »
The Jester has until D3 to get lynched – they will suicide on D4.
5. A lynch is achieved by a majority of living players voting for one player. Half is not a majority. A no lynch is meaningless, thus achievable. If posting drops below an arbitrary and undisclosed level of frequency, I will institute
he also isn't doing anything really townie AND he's going out his way to be antagonistic (69, 92, 101) and he's not doing anything to make any friends (in the form of townreads, buddying, anything)
Jay is probably Jester or Mafia. I think it is the former.
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Post #131 (isolation #2) » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:54 am
Postby Not Known 15 »
So... the strategy is...
1. Day 1- Day 3: Lynch the most obvious townies.
2. Day 4: Hope that the 3 most scummy townies kill a mafia at LYLO
3.Day 5/6:Lynch the last mafia.
Right?
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Post #212 (isolation #5) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:04 am
Postby Not Known 15 »
Now that we really got a mafia goon lynched we have left:
6 town
1 Jester
1 Mafia
Two mislynches would make this:
4 town
1 Mafia
which means that there would be still three lynches to get Mafia.
A jester lynch is an instant loss
A mafia lynch on day 2 is an early loss for Jester(at least if the game functions as normally). This is something we need to think of. A jester will likely NOT want a lynch on anyone scummy but themselves.
In post 131, Not Known 15 wrote:So... the strategy is...
1. Day 1- Day 3: Lynch the most obvious townies.
2. Day 4: Hope that the 3 most scummy townies kill a mafia at LYLO
3.Day 5/6:Lynch the last mafia.
Right?
This hasn't changed. We should lynch the most obvious townies, since jesters will be indistinguishable from scum(at least if they are not playing badly).
jester motivation and scum motivation are different
jester WANTS TO BE LYNCHED BEFORE DAY 3
scum WANTS TO SURVIVE AND NOT BE LYNCHED HAVE TOWNS LYNCHED
for example, i see
very clearly
that you arent jester. it's not that fucking hard try to lynch scum not the people that are holding town together
I get that you townread me.
Yeah the motivation is different(but it is before Day 4, not 3)
But, Assembaa, it is much more difficult to catch someone with a fake town motivation than to catch someone with a fake mafia motivation.
Additionally, I cannot really get any good townreads(because I am not good at it). My scumreads would probably be Jester, so... I am not of any use until Day 4.
In post 237, Not Known 15 wrote:But, Assembaa, it is much more difficult to catch someone with a fake town motivation than to catch someone with a fake mafia motivation.
Ergo, it is easier to say that someone is definitely NOT jester than it is to say that someone is definitely NOT scum.
No!
A competent Jester will try to look like a mafia who tries to be townish, and that is not difficult at all.
In post 209, eth0s wrote:Defending not_maf at all in this game seems like a viable jester strat lmao
I'll grant this. I like to whiteknight as scum and I really did think he was town so as jester I would have been much more passively defending him, probably by just calling people dumb and repeating that he was town rather than addressing their actual arguments. (Conversely, I would NEVER defend him after that wagon as his partner because I saw such a low chance of people actually listening to me.)
However. I think the rest of the day should prove that I'm not jester. I can easily point to a half dozen things I would have done differently.
I say this because I should probably not live to LYLO, and if I'm not going to I should be lynched today or tomorrow. And before you go OMG jester play!!!1! remember that I'd have to have somehow CORRECTLY and confidently read Not_Mafia, despite your implications that he's difficult or impossible to read.
Hmmmmmmmmm... defending yourself against a jester accusation? I think we should lynch Something Smart on Day 4.
In post 209, eth0s wrote:Defending not_maf at all in this game seems like a viable jester strat lmao
I'll grant this. I like to whiteknight as scum and I really did think he was town so as jester I would have been much more passively defending him, probably by just calling people dumb and repeating that he was town rather than addressing their actual arguments. (Conversely, I would NEVER defend him after that wagon as his partner because I saw such a low chance of people actually listening to me.)
However. I think the rest of the day should prove that I'm not jester. I can easily point to a half dozen things I would have done differently.
I say this because I should probably not live to LYLO, and if I'm not going to I should be lynched today or tomorrow. And before you go OMG jester play!!!1! remember that I'd have to have somehow CORRECTLY and confidently read Not_Mafia, despite your implications that he's difficult or impossible to read.
Hmmmmmmmmm... defending yourself against a jester accusation? I think we should lynch Something Smart on Day 4.
what the hell town can defend himself
If someone would accuse me of being jester, then I would just shrug. A read as jester or scum; well that would cause me to defend myself against the scum read. You scumread me but don't think that I am Jester so I told you why I was playing like that.
You are scum. You are either Jester scum or Mafia scum. I don't know which one. That is why I said that you should die Day 4. By then, you either suicided as Jester or are the last remaining mafia.
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Post #269 (isolation #18) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:37 am
Postby Not Known 15 »
In post 266, Mathdino wrote:I'm good with SS's plan in terms of lynching NK15. Hopefully NK15 is right about SS being jester. Responding to a case on you with "yo the guy wanting you to lynch me is a fuckin jester" is really weird.
Plus this conversation is clearly one of those that's gonna be a distraction forever.
You are scum. You are either Jester scum or Mafia scum. I don't know which one. That is why I said that you should die Day 4. By then, you either suicided as Jester or are the last remaining mafia.
How can my actions have jester motivation or mafia motivation but not town motivation?
At the moment, I am not sure if you try to get towncred by telling others you want to get lynched as townie to prevent the Jester from winning...
or if you are really the Jester trying to get lynched on Day 3.
And that defense on Day 1, of Not Mafia, I don't know if you are their partner trying to avert a (for mafia) horrible Day 1 Mafia lynch or if you are the Jester who scumread them(especially easy if you know that they are NOT Jester because there is only one, you...) and tried to look suspicious
In post 274, Not Known 15 wrote:At the moment, I am not sure if you try to get towncred by telling others you want to get lynched as townie to prevent the Jester from winning...
or if you are really the Jester trying to get lynched on Day 3.
And that defense on Day 1, of Not Mafia, I don't know if you are their partner trying to avert a (for mafia) horrible Day 1 Mafia lynch or if you are the Jester who scumread them(especially easy if you know that they are NOT Jester because there is only one, you...) and tried to look suspicious
You answered the first part of the question but not the second, which as I suspected you haven't thought about. Why can't my actions have town motivation?
Well, all I see from you Day 1 is defending someone, some fluff, and nothing else.
That doesn't look like town for me.
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Post #287 (isolation #21) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:57 am
Postby Not Known 15 »
In post 285, JaydragonKing wrote:I also have a thought... If we say both me and Dino are town at this rate, we can hang literally everyone who's not Jester until there's just me and him left. Then we win!
Are you sure that Dino is town though? If they are not...
In post 291, Assembaa wrote:yeah i REALLY dont like that jay post about math/jay town and poe lynching or some shit
But that's the legitimate strategy of this type of game, my friends!
And I see we're legit ignoring the quiet ones completely. So swell.
Well, it is incredibly easy to be quiet. Lurkers can be anything.... including a jester who hopes for a Lynch all Lurkers, mafia who is trying to evade attention, or someone who has less time than thought(regardless of alignment)
This weird repetition feels like LAMIST-y signalling. Can't defend yourself so you defend some other player. Also seemingly more fixated on who jester is than who scum is.
I am not DEFENDING them. Tomorrow or today means Jester or Mafia.
And yes, I am more fixated on Jester than Mafia. What is the bigger threat to us right now? The Mafia who needs five mislynches or the Jester who just needs to be lynched today or tomorrow?
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Post #555 (isolation #28) » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:40 am
Postby Not Known 15 »
Yeah there is ONE thing you should never ever do unless you have no alternative.
Ending a day before everyone has had a chance to speak. Lynching that fast is bad.
But you did it.
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Post #556 (isolation #29) » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:41 am
Postby Not Known 15 »
Also, I don't know why people were so negative about following the lynch town strategy on day 2 and 3. I mean, one scum was dead, and the Jester was alive.