Micro 772: Jester Nightless

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The Jester has until D3 to get lynched – they will suicide on D4.

5. A lynch is achieved by a majority of living players voting for one player. Half is not a majority. A no lynch is meaningless, thus achievable. If posting drops below an arbitrary and undisclosed level of frequency, I will institute

VOTE: No lynch

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Also the Jay read is shit.

ur fedora is the only thing that's shit

jay isn't doing anything blatantly scummy BUT

he also isn't doing anything really townie AND he's going out his way to be antagonistic (69, 92, 101) and he's not doing anything to make any friends (in the form of townreads, buddying, anything)

Jay is probably Jester or Mafia. I think it is the former.

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So... the strategy is...
1. Day 1- Day 3: Lynch the most obvious townies.
2. Day 4: Hope that the 3 most scummy townies kill a mafia at LYLO
3.Day 5/6:Lynch the last mafia.
Right?

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Assembaa [L-5]: Heartless, Mathdino,

L-5?
Not the only section affected.

Fixed Quote Tags- Jingle

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Oops quote is broken.

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Now that we really got a mafia goon lynched we have left:
6 town
1 Jester
1 Mafia
Two mislynches would make this:
4 town
1 Mafia
which means that there would be still three lynches to get Mafia.
A jester lynch is an instant loss
A mafia lynch on day 2 is an early loss for Jester(at least if the game functions as normally). This is something we need to think of. A jester will likely NOT want a lynch on anyone scummy but themselves.

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VOTE: nk15
setup spec instead of scumhunting
and i dont get jester vibes

Scumhunting will only result in a Jester lynch.
This is not a normal game.

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VOTE: nk15
setup spec instead of scumhunting
and i dont get jester vibes

Scumhunting will only result in a Jester lynch.
This is not a normal game.

i know how to play this game btw
youre like very very likely not jester

I am not.

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yeah do you want to try to progress the game

So... the strategy is...
1. Day 1- Day 3: Lynch the most obvious townies.
2. Day 4: Hope that the 3 most scummy townies kill a mafia at LYLO
3.Day 5/6:Lynch the last mafia.
Right?

This hasn't changed. We should lynch the most obvious townies, since jesters will be indistinguishable from scum(at least if they are not playing badly).

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jester motivation and scum motivation are different

jester WANTS TO BE LYNCHED BEFORE DAY 3
scum WANTS TO SURVIVE AND NOT BE LYNCHED HAVE TOWNS LYNCHED

for example, i see

very clearly

that you arent jester. it's not that fucking hard try to lynch scum not the people that are holding town together

I get that you townread me.
Yeah the motivation is different(but it is before Day 4, not 3)
But, Assembaa, it is much more difficult to catch someone with a fake town motivation than to catch someone with a fake mafia motivation.
Additionally, I cannot really get any good townreads(because I am not good at it). My scumreads would probably be Jester, so... I am not of any use until Day 4.

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Good. I think you are town, Assembaa.
Which means, according to my plan...
VOTE: Assembaa

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But, Assembaa, it is much more difficult to catch someone with a fake town motivation than to catch someone with a fake mafia motivation.

Ergo, it is easier to say that someone is definitely NOT jester than it is to say that someone is definitely NOT scum.

No!
A competent Jester will try to look like a mafia who tries to be townish, and that is not difficult at all.

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Defending not_maf at all in this game seems like a viable jester strat lmao

I'll grant this. I like to whiteknight as scum and I really did think he was town so as jester I would have been much more passively defending him, probably by just calling people dumb and repeating that he was town rather than addressing their actual arguments. (Conversely, I would NEVER defend him after that wagon as his partner because I saw such a low chance of people actually listening to me.)

However. I think the rest of the day should prove that I'm not jester. I can easily point to a half dozen things I would have done differently.

I say this because I should probably not live to LYLO, and if I'm not going to I should be lynched today or tomorrow. And before you go OMG jester play!!!1! remember that I'd have to have somehow CORRECTLY and confidently read Not_Mafia, despite your implications that he's difficult or impossible to read.

Hmmmmmmmmm... defending yourself against a jester accusation? I think we should lynch Something Smart on Day 4.

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nah sometimes posts just happen to be pagetops

Defending not_maf at all in this game seems like a viable jester strat lmao

I'll grant this. I like to whiteknight as scum and I really did think he was town so as jester I would have been much more passively defending him, probably by just calling people dumb and repeating that he was town rather than addressing their actual arguments. (Conversely, I would NEVER defend him after that wagon as his partner because I saw such a low chance of people actually listening to me.)

However. I think the rest of the day should prove that I'm not jester. I can easily point to a half dozen things I would have done differently.

I say this because I should probably not live to LYLO, and if I'm not going to I should be lynched today or tomorrow. And before you go OMG jester play!!!1! remember that I'd have to have somehow CORRECTLY and confidently read Not_Mafia, despite your implications that he's difficult or impossible to read.

Hmmmmmmmmm... defending yourself against a jester accusation? I think we should lynch Something Smart on Day 4.

what the hell town can defend himself

If someone would accuse me of being jester, then I would just shrug. A read as jester or scum; well that would cause me to defend myself against the scum read. You scumread me but don't think that I am Jester so I told you why I was playing like that.

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My current thoughts are to lynch me and NK in either order and then keep Jay and Math alive.

You stay until Day 4.

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Because it's nightless, so if the town agrees to keep you alive then you will be kept alive.

Do not lynch this one tomorrow, or today. Don't.

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But on Day 4, do it.

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NK, am I jester or scum?

Pick one.

You are scum. You are either Jester scum or Mafia scum. I don't know which one. That is why I said that you should die Day 4. By then, you either suicided as Jester or are the last remaining mafia.

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I'm good with SS's plan in terms of lynching NK15. Hopefully NK15 is right about SS being jester. Responding to a case on you with "yo the guy wanting you to lynch me is a fuckin jester" is really weird.

Plus this conversation is clearly one of those that's gonna be a distraction forever.

VOTE: NK15

Why is that weird?

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NK, am I jester or scum?

Pick one.

You are scum. You are either Jester scum or Mafia scum. I don't know which one. That is why I said that you should die Day 4. By then, you either suicided as Jester or are the last remaining mafia.

How can my actions have jester motivation or mafia motivation but not town motivation?

At the moment, I am not sure if you try to get towncred by telling others you want to get lynched as townie to prevent the Jester from winning...
or if you are really the Jester trying to get lynched on Day 3.
And that defense on Day 1, of Not Mafia, I don't know if you are their partner trying to avert a (for mafia) horrible Day 1 Mafia lynch or if you are the Jester who scumread them(especially easy if you know that they are NOT Jester because there is only one, you...) and tried to look suspicious

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At the moment, I am not sure if you try to get towncred by telling others you want to get lynched as townie to prevent the Jester from winning...
or if you are really the Jester trying to get lynched on Day 3.
And that defense on Day 1, of Not Mafia, I don't know if you are their partner trying to avert a (for mafia) horrible Day 1 Mafia lynch or if you are the Jester who scumread them(especially easy if you know that they are NOT Jester because there is only one, you...) and tried to look suspicious

You answered the first part of the question but not the second, which as I suspected you haven't thought about. Why can't my actions have town motivation?

Well, all I see from you Day 1 is defending someone, some fluff, and nothing else.
That doesn't look like town for me.

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I also have a thought... If we say both me and Dino are town at this rate, we can hang literally everyone who's not Jester until there's just me and him left. Then we win!

Are you sure that Dino is town though? If they are not...

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Hey, Dino...
How do you get from
249
to
266
???

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Watch out- Assembaa could be mafia. They seem to want quicklynches.
On the other hand, that is correct- that post does not look good to me.

If you're not (or, I guess, even if you are), I'm comfortable putting SS in the possible jester pool and lynching someone else as our 3rd.

Yeah. Please don't lynch SS before Day 4.

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Hey, Dino...
How do you get from
249
to
266
???

The conversation made me think you're more likely to be scum.

Do I get an explanation or not?

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yeah i REALLY dont like that jay post about math/jay town and poe lynching or some shit

But that's the legitimate strategy of this type of game, my friends!

And I see we're legit ignoring the quiet ones completely. So swell.

Well, it is incredibly easy to be quiet. Lurkers can be anything.... including a jester who hopes for a Lynch all Lurkers, mafia who is trying to evade attention, or someone who has less time than thought(regardless of alignment)

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Do not lynch this one tomorrow, or today. Don't.

This weird repetition feels like LAMIST-y signalling. Can't defend yourself so you defend some other player. Also seemingly more fixated on who jester is than who scum is.

I am not DEFENDING them. Tomorrow or today means Jester or Mafia.
And yes, I am more fixated on Jester than Mafia. What is the bigger threat to us right now? The Mafia who needs five mislynches or the Jester who just needs to be lynched today or tomorrow?

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Well, that was quick.
Too quick for my taste.
You should have deliberated a bit more there...

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Yeah there is ONE thing you should never ever do unless you have no alternative.
Ending a day before everyone has had a chance to speak. Lynching that fast is bad.
But you did it.

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Also, I don't know why people were so negative about following the lynch town strategy on day 2 and 3. I mean, one scum was dead, and the Jester was alive.

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Well, except Dino.

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Hmm yeah letting me live could have been a big mistake for you, Dino. I had already called you out on your weird read progression.

I tried, but you said I was jester for trying...

No. I said you would be Jester, but not for that post.