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Sobolev Space · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:42 pm

@Eddie - at the time of your 313 what arguments that you made against me couldn't have applied equally well to TTTT?

Sobolev Space · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:46 pm

In post 546, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 545, Sobolev Space wrote:Sorry for the absence all. Will read what I missed and post thoughts.

I want to be on the record as thinking Lowell's last post is terrible though.
not really sure if I agree; enough people were digging their heels in against the GL wagon

Do you really think enough people dug in their heels between 527 and 543 for that big of a reversal?

Sobolev Space · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:48 pm

I'm sympathetic to Frogger's comments on the TTTT Bella case. I really only think 285 - 300 is the only thing that would warrant a lynch from her ISO

ISO · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:48 pm

i'm not reading that as a reversal, and i don't want to speak for lowell but it doesn't sound to me like he's stopped scumreading GL

TTTT · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:48 pm

In post 542, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 536, TTTT wrote:@eddie
plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella
can you ask a more focused question please!

plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella

in this game

ISO · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:49 pm

In post 554, TTTT wrote:plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella in this game

giggle

Eddie Cane · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:50 pm

In post 550, Sobolev Space wrote:@Eddie - at the time of your 313 what arguments that you made against me couldn't have applied equally well to TTTT?

I was avoiding reading him. I was curios where his vote on me and "reasons" turned out. if he continued I would've focused on him before eod.

Sobolev Space · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:51 pm

@bork - fair enough. This quote:

In post 543, Lowell wrote:My 1v1 with GL bores me. GL has permission to continue it, though.

just reminded me of what I said in 432. Seems like he's trying to cash out on the 1v1 and move on.

Sobolev Space · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:52 pm

Also to all I'll still be fairly busy until Thursday but will at least have time to check the thread and post once a day.

Eddie Cane · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:53 pm

In post 554, TTTT wrote:
In post 542, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 536, TTTT wrote:@eddie
plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella
can you ask a more focused question please!
plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella
in this game

no post has struck me as scummy. I haven't thought "this seems off, let me review bella". I don't keep notes or anyrhing like that, realllllly not my style.

ISO · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:54 pm

In post 557, Sobolev Space wrote:Seems like he's trying to cash out on the 1v1 and move on.

that is entirely possible and i think that's a plausible reason for scum to eject here, i just think it shouldn't be discounted that the wagon is obviously not going anywhere and that's potential reasoning for town to eject here;

Sobolev Space · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:55 pm

In post 507, Fro99er wrote:
In post 285, Bellaphant wrote:eddie's is almost worse, 32 posts of...not a lot. he's quoted two short isos, which seems sketch, and there's not a lot of meat to anything.
Bella why didn't you follow up on this if it's almost worse than T?

Seconding this

TTTT · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:56 pm

In post 547, Sobolev Space wrote:@TTTT - I'd like for you to go back through your notes and explain your later TR on Lowell

the following posts are all marked green in my notes:
65
114
303
317

I haven't taken notes since 344 so let me go iso his recent stuff for ya

ISO · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:57 pm

In post 559, Eddie Cane wrote:I haven't thought "this seems off, let me review bella"

overall i don't think she's been too overtly offensive either; i just don't really think she's trying to find scum and there are some more-than-skin-deep inconsistencies that aren't temporal in nature

ISO · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:58 pm

In post 562, TTTT wrote:in my notes:

who's the tryhard now lowell i ain't never kept no notes

TTTT · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:02 pm

In post 547, Sobolev Space wrote:@TTTT - I'd like for you to go back through your notes and explain your later TR on Lowell

400
524
543
all recent green posts

I'm not going to explain all of these
at least not now

Sobolev Space · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:06 pm

@TTTT - that's alright don't worry I can see where you're coming from on some of those.

Still want a Lowell lynch.

TTTT · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:09 pm

Here is my lowell read in a nutshell:
I tend to TR players who seem to be thinking independently
and don't appear to be

trying

to look town
lowell has that vibe going on

Eddie Cane · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:09 pm

I liked 114 and 317 as town personally out of the listed posts

SweetBlueFlowers · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:48 am

In post 389, Fro99er wrote:
In post 288, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:Cane is obviously Town by the way they've reacted to this slot. I appreciate the opening maneuver, having seen the follow-through.
Explain this further

I'll let Cane elaborate and will comment on any differences in what I perceived.

In post 392, Fro99er wrote:
In post 288, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:I like Space's initial response to GL, but the followup is too superficial and then quickly written off. I haven't seen the slot attempting to sort anyone in a serious way and the times it has given the appearance of doing so have been devoid of what I like to call the fire to find scum.
See that's the exact opposite with what I've seen from GL, at least with his push on me.

Explain how it was superficial. The "too quickly written off" is something that I typically see as a scum-scum interaction, or as town changing their minds. I'll need to read the interaction again.

It's the same kind of scum-scum possibility I got from bork and GL. A push, then a quick back off for what seemed like pretty superficial reasons. (Bork and GL have since both appeared town to me).

In post 423, GuiltyLion wrote:I almost feel like I
want
her to be scum even moreso than I actually think she is, because it's a really off-putting style of playing the game and if I'm lynched I don't see how she won't be the subsequent lynch.

I appreciate your point, but also kind of disagree. This should only happen if I'm pushing an agenda, not hunting. If my hunting finds scum then Town will notice. If you're lynched, it will be because of that. It takes several to lynch, not one. If you flip green and Town wants to scapegoat me for a bad read, that's their choice as well. If there are scum on your wagon, hunt them, don't rage about being pushed. That said, I've been looking for a specific towntell from you and I found it in this post, so thanks.

VOTE: Bellaphant

This is

L-1

. There will be no hammers. Anyone who hammers before we close in to deadline will lock themselves in as tomorrow's lynch regardless of flip.

Bellaphant, we need content from you. Don't wait for us to ask questions. There's a lot of content for you to go through and hunt for scum in. If you aren't sure where scum are, start asking questions about content that makes you unsure and go from there. Start conversation. To begin with, you can talk to me about your read on the people on your wagon.

Talk to me about your 4T read. Why are you voting him? What about his ISO is appalling to you? And what do you think about Cane's content since your 285? Talk to me about your Fro99er read.

Lowell · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:12 am

In post 551, Sobolev Space wrote:
In post 546, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 545, Sobolev Space wrote:Sorry for the absence all. Will read what I missed and post thoughts.

I want to be on the record as thinking Lowell's last post is terrible though.
not really sure if I agree; enough people were digging their heels in against the GL wagon
Do you really think enough people dug in their heels between 527 and 543 for that big of a reversal?

Don't worry, GL is still scum. Listen, you can't all love on GL all game and then complain when I get sick of waiting for others to join the wagon. I've got people to kill, here, I'm not just sitting around on a dead wagon. GL will have his turn.

Eddie Cane · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:27 am

@sbf - answer my questions please

@mod

- vc please

Fro99er · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:59 am

In post 533, Eddie Cane wrote:good attitude, good content (with just about no filler), rubs me the right way.

the joking's great and all, but I was trying to engage with you and you just brushed me off with this.

why is "good attitude" important? I have a shit attitude as town sometimes. I know others do too.

what specifically about her posting rub you the right way?

Fro99er · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:00 am

In post 538, TTTT wrote:maybe I'm
ace
day1 town-reader

BELLA!!!

Fro99er · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:09 am

In post 541, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 523, Lowell wrote:His entire case on me amounts to "Lowell thinks in extremes and said someone is null. CONTRADICTION!" I can make his case against me better than he can, and it only took me one sentence.
also, HERE is a good example of a misrep. The "null point" is honestly the least important and weakest part of my 'case' on Lowell (I also don't really feel it's a case, just a few succinct damning points). What Lowell omitted and ignored are the two better reasons that I already gave in thread:

1) I don't believe town!Lowell would consider my early D1 play - at the time of posting 279 - to be genuinely "opportunistic". I made one vote on SBF.
2) the description of me "pocketing SS" makes no sense either, and reads more like Lowell is trying to frame my behavior than interpret it

bullet #2 was the one that really stuck out for me when I read through it.

Also, I'm not sure what is with everyone calling people "opportunistic" at seemingly every vote. This game is about voting your scumreads.