Micro 1044: A Normal Blitz V - Game Over

[shiki]

Give me a second before flip, I wanna cast a vote first

How much more time do you need
I was waiting for final responses before I dropped anchor, but I'm kinda set already

who did you want to vote tho

[shiki]

starting with enchant i suppose; enchant is like, very likely town yeah? like betting the game on enchant being town seems fine and also

good

like if you go back to very shortly after enchant arrives,

the situation is that i have just made it clear that dorsey is my preferred vote (umlaut and vanderscamp are already voting dorsey), enchant was the other leading wagon, and then! jacket votes cape immediately followed by datisi, and this is enchant's reaction to this:

I walked CAPE ISO AND IT LOOKS DECENT, atleast i can't notice something outrageous.

and then enchant sleeps, returns to the thread and says this:

I want give more attention to Dorsey.

and then shortly thereafter votes dorsey

like does anyone really think the narrative is that enchant replaced into the game, interacted with datisi, then decided to oppose a new counterwagon to both enchant and dorsey and then push dorsey? like what would have to even be occurring for that to be the scumplan, like dorsey would have had to have been saying something like 'bus me no matter what even if there are other reasonable lines' for that to have been the immediate plan of action yeah?

so i think enchant clear don't really understand what those still suspicious (vanderscamp?) seeing that i am not

[Vanderscamp]

To respond to that, I agree with you that I'm not interested in voting enchant in the near future.

But all of what you're describing from enchant I would consider to be town-aligned play, but not actually towny.
It's obviously good for town that enchant helped kill mafia Dorsey, and I'm giving him cred for it, but I've seen mafia take -ev lines in the past and there is nothing particularly genuine or hard to fake about anything he's done once you look past the fact that he's voting Dorsey.

I'm not super out to kill him but if I'm in a final three with him and Cape, who I think has actively sounded very towny and didn't vote Dorsey, I would vote for Enchant pretty quickly.

[shiki]

interestingly enough i was just writing post about you (also very likely town)

[shiki]

i don't really agree about cape being townier than enchant, will outline in future, though going through with my finest tooth comb has made it feel like

{looker, umlaut, datisi}

may be better narrowing to three than {cape, looker, datisi}

[shiki]

(also very likely town)

though of course tired messy brain is like 'but maybe vanderscamp is being super cheeky with

but sometimes the mafias do -ev plays

after vanderscamp hardpushed dorsey post-dorsey's interactions with me and hard townread me and called out others reads of dorsey

and! there was this moment on page 15 where if i squint it feels like you were maybe trying to make your way off of dorsey onto enchant

if! you could first pick up another vote from someone else on enchant but then unable because enchant voted dorsey and i followed suit

[shiki]

though of course tired messy brain is like 'but maybe vanderscamp is being super cheeky with but sometimes the mafias do -ev plays

after vanderscamp hardpushed dorsey post-dorsey's interactions with me and hard townread me and called out others reads of dorsey

but! would rather simply treat this as likely coming from town than listen to messy brain right now

and! will just leave moment as a notable thing that i would like others to look at but was not enough to sway me from this likely town feeling

[shiki]

and other than the feeling in that moment the only notable potential negatives with regards to vanderscamp are probably intentional wifom from flipped mafia (kinda awkward rvses of eachother; the dorsey 'i think it's vanderscamp' wifom post at the end of day), so!

[shiki]

the only notable potential negatives with regards to vanderscamp

which like, there just aren't actually any negatives for enchant? like actually none yeah?

only 'but mafia

could

make all of those posts if they really wanted to for whatever reason even though it probably works against their win condition'

which like, is always true

mafia

could

make any post

i

could

be mafia right now

et cetera

[shiki]

which like, there just aren't actually any negatives for enchant? like actually none yeah?

cold feet thing i guess? sure maybe still notable, probably actually have been undervaluing this,

but still does not feel like very heavy

[shiki]

always end up feeling like everyone is mafia

so so so have to keep weighing as have been

or will just end up with list of

why everyone is likely mafia

[Enchant]

the only notable potential negatives with regards to vanderscamp

which like, there just aren't actually any negatives for enchant? like actually none yeah?

only 'but mafia

could

make all of those posts if they really wanted to for whatever reason even though it probably works against their win condition'

which like, is always true

mafia

could

make any post

i

could

be mafia right now

et cetera

wow scumclaim

VOTE: Shiki


Also 13 hours.

[shiki]

...

[shiki]

enchant do you still think it is likely datisi?

[shiki]

(also, in case actually unclear, i wasn't scumclaiming there, rather pointing out how the 'well mafia

could

be doing this towny thing' argument feels to me in a way i probably should not have)

[Enchant]

Nah, too awkward with hammers.

Like, asking "I fear it was not hammered" and not hammering it instantly (i needed to suggest) probably makes datisi more town.

[Enchant]

(also, in case actually unclear, i wasn't scumclaiming there, rather pointing out how the 'well mafia

could

be doing this towny thing' argument feels to me in a way i probably should not have)

I can't be mafia.
I am paragon.

[Enchant]

I am not disagreeing with idea behind your posts, i just dislike how you showed it.

[shiki]

I am not disagreeing with idea behind your posts, i just dislike how you showed it.

yeah i get it i even said i probably should have not said it that way

though my point certainly wasn't that i have any amount of competence in finding the mafia rather that i also pushed dorsey just as you did and vanderscamp did

and thus saying i

could

be doing so as mafia would be like saying you

could

be doing so as mafia

but i guess maybe there's another reason why this was a bad way to show it

as vanderscamp would likely simply say that how i did so was towny et cetera not simply the fact that i did so

which well sure yes i obviously agree with this as looking at umlaut it's significantly more complicated

i guess mostly maybe i disagree with vanderscamp that how you did so was maybe not towny?

[shiki]

also, uh, my bad on the time thing here if we end up flipping looker and looker is mafia

[shiki]

Nah, too awkward with hammers.

Like, asking "I fear it was not hammered" and not hammering it instantly (i needed to suggest) probably makes datisi more town.

hm

i, don't really see it

like it just seems like a fear you would simply check

and then it either wouldn't be a fear anymore as you would then know it was already hammered

or you would hammer

[Enchant]

Nope.

You are not me. What you can do as scum =/= What i can do as scum. Every player is unique actually.

Right idea is everyone can do anything. It's more question, how likely.

If you look at everyone and say "Well mafia could do that", you never find scum.


Actually it doesh't help.
shiki, time-time. Who is maf you think?

[Enchant]

Nah, too awkward with hammers.

Like, asking "I fear it was not hammered" and not hammering it instantly (i needed to suggest) probably makes datisi more town.

hm

i, don't really see it

like it just seems like a fear you would simply check

and then it either wouldn't be a fear anymore as you would then know it was already hammered

or you would hammer

ABILITY TO COUNT AND READ MOD POSTS ARE BLESSINGS. RARE BY NATURE.

So yeah, it's fine.

[Datisi]

i did check whether it was hammered or not, but i don't trust myself to not fuck up counting the votes, which is why i asked for others to check. and i didn't wanna just hammer in case it was not hammer and someone else wanted to say something before i did hammer.

i *probably* don't go through that if i'm scum with dorsey, but it's also not that difficult to fake, so i won't blame you for not townreading me for it.

[Datisi]

enchant is one of my strongest townreads and that feels so weird to say