League of Legends (Old)

[JasonWazza]

So i think i ran into the stupidest diana that was a "smurf"

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

Look at player build, and look at the pots and crystaline.

Then look at the maxed shield.

What am i looking at, i really am so confused.

Her entire build sucks.

[JasonWazza]

ummmm 3 health pots and a chalice burnt in 2 minutes?

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Oh and the spirit of the spectral wraith.

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Gotta love playing with my mates and having my penta stolen

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And i secured my death in their fountain.

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He might be considered broken if QSS didn't exist.

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anyone use their left mouse button as attack move click? trying it out.

I did for a while

The only thing that bugged me was it was hard to reg cast if I was sitting in a bush waiting for a pick or trying to get the right angle

I tried it, but found it bugged me on everyone but ADC's

[JasonWazza]

Question regarding new jungle, where does it leave champions that lack gank potential pre-6?

Due to the increase time's on the jungle camp respawns i would think it bones anyone without pre-6 ganking.

[JasonWazza]

Nightblue thinks Warwick is one of the strongest junglers atm, so that seems incorrect.

Keep in mind that there's a smite upgrade that's designed to help out with ganking (smite champions to deal damage and apply a slow).

My thought would be that's to do with his innate sustain in jungle and his ability to lock a single target down, and given the changes the former is probably a massive pro, and the later is just a meta plus.

Aside from Warwick, i think most of the other lackluster pre-6's will probably suffer, though i haven't actually played on patch 4.20 yet (it's coming to OCE soon.)

[JasonWazza]

And starting items for lane that they added, lacks boots.

[JasonWazza]

And starting items for lane that they added, lacks boots.

who builds boots going into lane

Kata is the main one i think of.

But that doesn't mean you don't want boots sometimes.

[JasonWazza]

So i was just having a good look over all the jungle changes, and i had a thought, would it be worth getting challenging smite on Warwick, 90-345 TRUE damage (on his ult, and i am aware i have level 1 stats in here) and due to the jungle item can be gotten with the effective replacement for FF.

I have a feeling it's going to take me a long while to get used to these jungle changes, and having gone into the jungle in a custom, i am lacking motivation to want to jungle anymore due to the changes.

[JasonWazza]

Bc of her q having 1.0 ad?

Her rend is 27 per spear and 27% AD uncapped at level 5.

200 AD Kalista beats a level 18 smite with 13 spears.

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Also i would love to see a kalista kill Dragon/baron with her Q and slam all the spears into an enemy champion to completely one shot them, that would be entertaining.

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i got 74/123 and totally spent way too much time trying to put a name to the face for some of the champions, that i actually missed trying the last 15 or so.

[JasonWazza]

Question, how does cho'gath top go against the meta top laners atm?

[JasonWazza]

Note: I haven't played cho with new itemization options, but I'd feel that cho top is still the same as it has been. Cho's an immovable object in lane, but his scaling toward the late game is just not strong enough to make a good, consistent showing.

Yeah the new itemization was the reason i thought about it, and i dunno i feel like the changes to itemization would benefit him (though i understand he does fall off)

[JasonWazza]

Gotta love playing a game with a skarner who always either ulted the leona (and dragged her into our team) or ulted the Irelia so they had an instant engage.

Cho seems alright, but yeah probably really outshined by more meta top laners.

[JasonWazza]

e is a skillshot and q is not a skillshot. nobody is hitting 100% of their e's.

Nobody should be hitting 100% of their Q during up time, E can be used on cooldown quite easily.

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I mean your not always in a position to use the Q, fact is you can always use the E from a much larger range.

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I'm very aware but that's not the point i'm making, fact is that Q range is pathetic at best, and against most mid laners you are well in trading range to use it, whereas the E range (assuming some semblance of accuracy with skill shots) is well out of range against most mid laners.

But the difference is simply the ability to be able to, it's actually rare that you want to go in for Qing very often, but you can E a lot more often, making the level's in it make a lot more sense.

[JasonWazza]

I think mostly people look at the divisions their opponents tend to be in and guess from there. If you're getting mostly Gold V's and VI's your MMR is likely low Gold.

I honestly don't really look, and I think I've forgotten how. You can tell on the loading screen by their borders, right?

Generally you have to lolnexus because you don't get borders for enemys (and borders are really inaccurate)

[JasonWazza]

That Galio buff though, i always hated merc treads when playing galio.

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"We've disabled the Sewn Chaos Orianna skin due to an in-game bug and are working on fixing the problem."

God damn but i like my Orianna skin

Anyway given the Galio buff, i think i might try pulling him out a bit more.

[JasonWazza]

Holy mother fucker.....

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... 474676/eog

Quadra kill and every teamfight except 1 was a massive ult that locked them up way too much, and the one that didn't was because of a jax counter strike.

Fuck that shit is OP.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah no i kinda didn't do anything the first 20 minutes except farm (unless you count kicking jax's ass for the worst gank i have seen in a long time) because there was lack of good TP chances (somewhat due to the lack of good wards) and lack of anything to do top (lissandra's wave clear is BULLSHIT) but i got to the back line often enough to just lock them into bad fights, and so many times kept the Zed off the corki that he actually started raging at me.

My quadra was literally walk around the poke war, get behind them, ult in the center, triple, Q graves to death.

[JasonWazza]

Just played Kalista, and fuck does she feel clunky, something about that passive jump shit just had me fucking it all up.

Guess she won't be an ADC that i will pick up at any point soon.

[JasonWazza]

That point where your playing nidalee and realize your spears can still nearly 100-0 someone at max range when your ahead, i thought they made it so that didn't happen.

Though i still love the new nidalee, her new cougar form makes her one of my best assassins.

[JasonWazza]

Kalista jump is fine. Nidalee not an assassin. Stop exclusivly saying wrong things. Don't build her ap. I want to play reksai today

I said

I

found it clunky.

Nidalee can be played as more of an assassin if you play her right (get mark, jump in, kill, jump out) and is actually listed

AS AN ASSASSIN

.

I also find that her new setup works perfectly fine with AP builds, AD may be the default people use, that doesn't mean everyone has to use it.

If you are half decent with your spears, then AP works just as well as AD does, and i with the smaller spear find it easier to hit rather then harder (through minions isn't impossible to pull off) and the fact is she has a lot better AP scaling then she does AD (you have cougar Q and AS boost THAT IS ALL)

Good to see you can still be a prat though.

[JasonWazza]

AP can't handle being dove on, where's ad can deal with it better. But building ap for a poke comp is still good because the spears still hurt

The heal isn't the worst, and in comparison to the lifesteal, in a short space of time they are probably equal (given you've just been dove the time you get to lifesteal probably doesn't out scale the heal all that much), the major difference is that AD relys on the cougar form only for the Q (and somewhat the jump as a gap close), whereas AP gives the whole kit power, while taking the power away from your Autos.

[JasonWazza]

Veigar can flash E to stun 3 people if your aim is amazing.

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raptors/chickens/birds/etc.

I really wish they actually gave them a better name.

Not sure how we got to this, but buckbeak's is the term me and my mates are using.

[JasonWazza]

Question that i have to ask because of the Oman post, normal tank thresh maxes Flay or Hook first?

Personally i max the flay, but that also has to do with my aggressive style in the early lane.

[JasonWazza]

I max e to be a poke lane and q for a hard engage lane.

I never play ad thresh, this is full tank either way.

You need to hard engage 2 seconds earlier each level? >.>

My personal reason is that i nearly always have flay ticking up to full damage even in less aggressive lanes to do a little bit of dominance (my adventures with top lane thresh taught me to minion agro cancel decently.), and that a 2 second decrease in the cooldown of my Q probably isn't worth it till later when i do actually need it up decently often (for lots of peeling)

I think there was one really passive lane i played with one vayne once, and i kinda 3 leveled E then maxed Q because i was still being decently aggressive with it.

Though honestly i never really thought about it, i kinda just did it cause i have always done it that way

[JasonWazza]

You get things for riot surveys?

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Solo normals are meant more for learning rather then winning.

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Question, assuming an ezreal is the fed one within the first 15 minutes and is going blue ezreal, am i generally better building MR or armor?

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... ticipant=6

Tis the game in question, Ezreal for the first 15 minutes was the main threat, but i wasn't sure whether that means he has more magic or AD damage in him.

I did end up going armor because i still had to lane against jax (and his magic damage was lacking potency) but i feel the MR probably would have been better first somewhat.

[JasonWazza]

I am now in silver 3 on a 5 game win streak yay.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah i gave up supporting unless i am supporting someone i know, otherwise i am generally a top laner.

[JasonWazza]

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

So i want a rough idea of what i could do to prevent something like this from happening so a rough overview.

Sona DC'd after her first death for a good 5-10 minutes.
Nunu managed a roam mid from bot cause Cait didn't MIA and i was slightly slow to try and help morde (which is his death and i'm aware i could have been there sooner)
The triple for jinx (bleh) was because rengar got the jump on me waiting to gank, once Rengar has mobis is there any reliable way to know before he gets to you that his coming? >.>
By this point Jinx is just blatantly fed (6 kills and a few assists by 10 minutes) and apparently our Nasus couldn't listen to pings to get jinx and me and morde seemed to be the only two with focus (by this time bot lane was just trolling)

So is this just one that i accept and just take or is there actually things i could do here?

[JasonWazza]

Probably not. You could attempt to set up vision and go for picks, but since you had an akali on the opposite team as well, you can't really build full armor either, although finishing SV and not just stick with cowl and build another armor item (thormail/randuins) might have been better. It wouldn't help though because Morde's build is absolute shit, and Nasus can't reach their backline easily so Jinx has free play.

Nasus had plenty of chances to reach jinx, he decided to turn onto the 1k health nunu support while i was pinging jinx like mad.

And i just looked at morde's build, just what the fuck? >.>

EDIT: Also not sure if this was asked/addressed, does anyone know the start date for Season 5?

[JasonWazza]

@Jasonwazza

So starting from your build:
- it's currently better to build a Randuins over a Sunfire cape. Randuins scales better (since it actually scales lol) and the pieces do more for you as you build them. It would do better for your ability to help yourself and your team stay on targets because of the active that also benefits Nasus and Morde that don't have point movement abilities. The warden's mail passive is also most beneficial vs double ad carries w/ nunu buff. You should only really look at a sunfire if you need the lane pushing power and you can't use Hydra (read: you're playing shen).

I needed the lane pushing power to try and keep us alive (somehow i always seemed to be 1v2 trying to defend one of our towers)

But yeah i can definitely agree that the Randuin's was better, it was more that i had already built the health item because at the time i was actually trying to avoid building MR if possible (then akali decided to prove i needed MR).

- Since Nasus was building full tank items you could have afforded to go Warrior enchantment on your trailblazer and have a real damage item, that way you could back up your defensive items to dive a little more reliably.

Yeah that probably would have helped a little, i'll admit i was kinda just like "Jinx is fucking everyone, i need to be able to tank her"

- Since Vi doesn't have a lot of innate sustain outside of her passive (in the jungle and in fights) you would have been better off with a Banshees instead of the SV.

How this has failed to occur to me in all the time i have played Vi baffles me.

In any case, because Jinx is the most immobile on their team and you can directly try to dive via point and click you should have been the one to kill her. That combined with above mentioned changes in build path would have helped your team a ton since they wouldn't have had a super-right-clicker w/ blood boil off the field and their teamfight would have broke down from there.

Considering every ult barr one (the one time i was caught out i took the fucking rengar with me with my ult) was onto the jinx but her team turned and actually peeled for her rather then leaving me the little bitch i was struggling to get her killed.

Sometimes you just can't organize your team enough, especially if they're tilted. Caitlyn/Sona is just a bad combo, especially with a Rengar and Akali dive comp so most likely that game was going to be difficult no matter what just from the results of draft. That happens sometimes.

Caitlyn/Sona were first 2 picks unfortunately and i'm still questioning whether or not they were just flat out trolling the team, all i know is my guess was they were blowing all their harass in lane onto the nunu (i looked down there after cait died to see Jinx full health and Nunu 1/3 health) cause you know, that totally makes sense.

edit: If I were you, I would have gone on the hyper offensive with a 21/9/0 setup during draft, gone stalkers>sightstone>warrior to outgank the rengar early and camped the fuck out of botlane and used that pressure to starve out the jungler and use the fact that Morde can hyper shove mid to keep dragon pressure (ward his sides if he doesn't because solo queue). Idk how well your Nasus did on his own but Nasus only needed to go even tbh which is completely within the realm of a Nasus even vs a ranged matchup. Since Jinx/Nunu has very little in terms of escapability (you have Q, Flash and Ult and they can't do a whole terrible lot about it) that would have been the easiest lane to gank for, even if you have to dive them under turret (once you hit 6 at least).

Yeah i have tried Offensive Vi a few times and i can never seem to pull it off, I kinda suck in jungle and it's probably my least preferable role, all i tend to be able to do really well in jungle is have objective control to a T (cause as a support i have learned to start forcing my team to take objectives with me.)

And since new jungle i've hardly even been able to keep my objective control running all that well.

New Jungle sucks

[JasonWazza]

Just 2/0'd my Silver 2 promo's.

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You still did pretty good considering the Tryndamere, and played a decent game (i may have been spectating that game)

[JasonWazza]

You know what's fun?

Playing as Veigar and when i build my Rabadons at 16 minutes i have 340 AP, it was my first AP item.

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You know what's also fun? baiting a team into a swarm of heimer turrets

Heimer turrets and Maokai saplings.

[JasonWazza]

by some unknown force, i am currently on a 8 win streak in ranked.

Also of my last 20 i have an 85% win rate.

I doubt i'll get gold in the preseason, but gold is my aim for early season 5.

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He's sitting at 46% winrate, for quite a while now and accross the board.

He's a bad champion now

And he's the most picked champion still.

Winrate doesn't make him a bad champion, that is just people who can't play him playing him and being bad.

[JasonWazza]

1-1 atm, and it's really sad when the game you lost had better players in it then the game you won.

LB in the second was such a rager that i was blocked before minions spawned cause she gave up first blood and blamed me because "you didn't flash"

What i was flashing for is still beyond me.

[JasonWazza]

Question, should i just start dodging every time someone says they are duoing bot?

In my experience there has been like 10% of the duo bot's i've seen that actually do any form of decent, the rest are just meh.

[JasonWazza]

The EU LCS casters said that Janna out trades Lulu in lane.

Wtf.

If Janna was really fucking quick with her shields and Lulu couldn't land her Q's for some reason, then yeah i could believe that, though it's unlikely it would actually happen that way.

[JasonWazza]

most supports can't time their shields well enough to be good.

Yeah i never understood how people are slow on the shield's, or even continue to put the shield having seen the damage already land.

I do enjoy it being a support on the other side of it, always get my poke off, wait for the shield to drop and continue poking.

[JasonWazza]

Can someone help explain/clarify to me what it means when someone needs kills to ramp up or CS to ramp up? Or, I suppose why getting one over the other matters for different champions. Does it have anything to do with the ease of the champ to kill others?

Generally speaking both work, but it's more about the speed the champion needs it, Vayne is a beast even if beaten early, whereas a champion like riven isn't as beastly off just CS (i couldn't think of a better champ then riven for that example, i am sure there is one).

And while I'm thinking of questions, if I'm someone trying to learn lane match-ups, what can I look for in a champion at select to tell if I'll have the advantage in lane, or what advantages I can have during lane? And if it's something that's not obvious (i.e Caitlyn's pure range over every other ADC except maybe Jinx in lane), how can I use this advantage or mitigate the disadvantage? (if that's not quite clear enough, lemme know).

I'm not gonna list like every lane matchup ever, but this site gives a decent overview of what beats what.

More specifically is hard to do without doing it in a more general sense.

P-Edit: Quadz might be more understanding of what was asked of the first question.

[JasonWazza]

but it seems iffy content-wise.

Honestly it seems like the lore changing was just an excuse for "we want to make awesome looking videos"

[JasonWazza]

but it seems iffy content-wise.

Honestly it seems like the lore changing was just an excuse for "we want to make awesome looking videos"

I'm certainly not complaining!

Just not sure if it heralds anything. Kalista had a video that leaked before her release. Something about a lightning mage leaked back in December I think.

The videos are alright, it's just not old lore standard stuff apart from the videos.

I still prefer the old to the new cause i'd rather a decent story compared to some half decent videos (and they were doing videos anyway with the old lore.)

[JasonWazza]

i'm excited for a featured game mode for once. I think Nemesis Dract (i.e. you draft your opponent's champs) will offer fun and a little depth (though probably a limited longevity of interest). I think the natural thing to do is to pick really squishy characters of a certain damage type.

My friends who have PBE access have told me that Urgot, Poppy, and Evelyn are some popular "gifts" they get.

So, yeah.

Is it sad that i would be happy with all them champs?

[JasonWazza]

Also Warring kingdoms Nidalee looks beast as fuck and i want it.

Kinda wish you could mix and match the cougar form and human form though, that would be cool.

And also nidalee buff's are awesome.

[JasonWazza]

So i am now silver 4, given i went 5/5 and was silver 2 at the end of the preseason i'm happy with that.

Also liking my top vlad which starts with 7% spell vamp, though i really need to get my mechanics to the point where i can do things in the right order under pressure (earlier i panicked and used my Zhonya's before my pool and with no spells before it so it was a complete waste.)

[JasonWazza]

No it doesn't.

EDIT: Also just got forced into a dodge because people don't even call what they want and duos make shit confusing by trading and random shit without telling everyone.

[JasonWazza]

For nemesis draft you could go for all the junglers that aren't normally seen in lane like eve, shaco, nocturne, elise, zac, and watch them fight over who is the actual jungler. But yeah urgot is probably going to be 100% pick/ban rate.

Eve mid/top
Shaco Mid/Support
Nocturne Mid/Top
Elise Mid/Support/Adc
Zac Support/Top

A lot of junglers can go elsewhere.

And yes these are all ones i have seen (except Zac support.)

[JasonWazza]

Vlad also has Sustain (and a decent chunk of it) in lane whereas rumble doesn't.

Though interesting looking at league of graph's warding statistics where the Top/Mid/ADC warding use is lower then global in gold+-Diamond+ (and in fact gets worse the higher up) and that it's Jungle and Support that seem to pick up the lost wards by them

Spoiler: Sample

Role # / match (Diamond+) # / match (Global)
Top 7.7 8.7
Mid 9.0 9.3
Jungler 11.0 9.7
AD Carry 5.7 6.3
Support 26.8 21.3

Is there a logical reason as to why this is?

Because logistically speaking it can't be because of shorter games as the warding for Supports/jungles is actually higher then average.

Only reason i can think of is actual map awareness and knowing where people are without wards (though it doesn't explain the lack of wards very much.)

[JasonWazza]

So naut support is fun, and even better, cause i'm just massive i tanked like 50% of Vi's ult's cause she was trying to ult vayne.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

Also Split pushing without being there is fun

[JasonWazza]

Honestly I think Naut support might be very good vs a Kalista for those mindless point and click stuns.

Otherwise thresh/blitz outclass him.

It was a normal and 4am, i don't care what outclasses him.

Also i don't know if either really outclasses him in what he does (single target lockdown) they just outclass him in a more team/pick comp oriented way (respectively)

just played a ranked game with a naut support who fed, so I'm not super into him right now.

Hate the player not the champ.

[JasonWazza]

Ninja Tabi.

This is more dependent on how many are AA focused.

[JasonWazza]

I may or may not now have a TP/Revive teemo support game that we won (trying to force a dodge cause it was clear from champion select out team was just douches).

Teemo global taunt OP.

[JasonWazza]

Well given no magic damage to speak of

Just as a note, i did check the game in question, and there was actually magic damage (Malph, Nami, even though they did shit all) and a decent amount of %Pen with a lack of a BotRK, so honestly health was your go in that game most likely over.

Remember when people are building Percentage Pen (Cleaver/LW or even just flat out Vi/Jarvan existing) you generally start losing armor effectiveness at a higher rate, and health is a decent place to go unless they have a vayne, or their damage dealer's actually have BotRK (which can cause problems to high health, but isn't all that bad)

[JasonWazza]

Malph Q/E/R and he had a sunfire, so most of his damage done is Magic.

[JasonWazza]

So I just bought Kassadin a few hours ago - played him top, didn't like it. Then I played him mid.

MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU PLAY THIS CHAMP ANYWHERE ELSE.

Because in top he trades better cause his melee (like a decent chunk of melee mid laners).

[JasonWazza]

Woot we finally get skins. (why was this not just next patch?)

[JasonWazza]

It does work, your just extremely reliant on being able to stack them autos.

500 AP gives you a 45% max health Ability if you managed to get 3 autos off.

I did it for lols in an all AD ARAM game a while back, and it was rather interesting to say the least.

[JasonWazza]

bruiserbard obv

His gonna kick your ass with that harp.

[JasonWazza]

I might have to pick up the bear if his a decent jungler, i have no jungle potental since new jungle, and simply avoid it where possible. (if i'm last pick in ranked i call "anything but jungle")

S5 fucked my jungling up and i just never found a rhythm for it.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah no i know how to jungle, i just can never work it out in the new jungle (also of them champions i've tried them all but udyr/WW for the new jungle and honestly i think it's safer i stay in a lane)

[JasonWazza]

I forgot how fun and easy fiddle mid lane is.

[JasonWazza]

If your comp has an engage that makes the enemy group up (Galio, Orianna etc.) then MF is an amazing pick, otherwise she just an average ADC (she's also not bad at anti-siege).

[JasonWazza]

I am surprised to be the first to bitch about it.

It just removes the thing that started of "every jungler gets free easy clear until they get up to enchantment where the change to chilling"

[JasonWazza]

Right, but the main effect is that junglers who are already strong after a clear and don't need trailblazer remain that way, and champions who aren't are even farther behind.

Like, I get that the goal is to nerf a dominant upgrade style because they want diversity, but the effect is going to disproportionately harm people who needed it as a crutch because the jungle doesn't favor them.

It's the same effect as the machete upgrade cost increase in 5.3.

I'd reserve judgment for 5.5, but they've been asking for reserved judgment as long as I've played the game at this point. ^^'

If your having that much trouble in the jungle and need the change, then 255 gold isn't even that much, it just means if your playing one of the junglers that do struggle (which your doing to yourself i might add) you have to play slightly suboptimally by either keeping the trail blazer, or by switching for the 255 gold.

[JasonWazza]

Ok so i'm gonna go ahead and ask here, given that bard is coming, what champs are strong in a 2v1 swap like scenario?

I'm thinking bard might result in a 1 in every lane, a jungler and bard that roam together like scenario

[JasonWazza]

The problem being anything that helps someone that is struggling helps the ones that aren't like 5 times as much.

[JasonWazza]

Ok so i'm gonna go ahead and ask here, given that bard is coming, what champs are strong in a 2v1 swap like scenario?

I'm thinking bard might result in a 1 in every lane, a jungler and bard that roam together like scenario

Yeah prob. If you're talking 1v2 adcs, probably...Caitlyn? I dunno. Lucian would probably be the choice I'd make though.

If you're talking top laners, cho is 100% the guy you want. Panth ain't bad and Renekton can survive under turret. Yorrick is usually pretty comfortable when he's zoned out, but I don't think he's good enough to bother learning. Rumble sorta can unless you're up against hard engage supports.

Yeah no i wouldn't be sending the ADC down, and how is mundo in 2v1's?

I just feel it will promote a 2v1-like swap but with the second going top instead vanishing into the jungle.

[JasonWazza]

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

This game was a 3v5 since 20 minutes in, it took them 47 minutes to actually end us, and we were almost doing what was essentially a 2v5 (the nidalee was pretty bad)

I had fun being able to just tank everything they had and basically be able to 1v3 their team, that 11 kill spree was also during the part where we had the 3v5 scenario.

[JasonWazza]

Ugh no-one plays the OCE server do they ;_;

Me and Oman do.

[JasonWazza]

I've only seen her played in normals and 1 ranked, i just wish there was a feature that League would unmute my music because i'm tuning into sona, but unfortunately that isn't a thing.

Also is it just me, or is the login music actually better then the in game music for sona?

[JasonWazza]

Did someone professional play swain?

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Fuck that guy.

Also gotta love that everyone will blame the support for the loss without fail.

Spoiler: image

2/4/25, 67% kill contribution, and yet it's MY fault we lost.

Ah league, how i fucking hate supporting in ranked.

[JasonWazza]

Fuck that guy.

To be fair, he did so bad that no one would have picked it up because of him.

Eh i've been seeing enough of him atm to piss me off.

Doesn't help that i had to Voli top against him and that just pissed me off

I miss the days where you could start an MR item, is there actually a reason why Rito made that impossible?

[JasonWazza]

Yeah i guess that makes sense.

[JasonWazza]

but your team will struggle to kill you

Yeah cause i always play 1v9 as support.

Honestly, at low elos I think any real ADC is fine as long as you play it a lot and know how to use them in your muscle memory. Also there's something to be said at low elos for giving an opponent something they aren't familiar with even if overall it has a low win rate. If your main role isn't ADC, I'd pick a champion with a natural escape though.

It does and doesn't matter at the same time, there are always going to be ADC's that are countered by other ones, or just plain stronger, though picking one that suits your skills definitely helps.

IE: Pick ADC caster's if your good with skillshots.

I actually have a pretty easy time farming as corki, generally? (Relatively easy, anyway, I am legit terrible at CS)

If it's before sheen, it might be due to the slightly higher base damage (his true damage passive means to minions you do slightly higher damage which can make it slightly easier)

If it's after sheen, it's cause your able to shit out abilitys and CS with the sheen proc's decently.

[JasonWazza]

Probably none of you care, but there's some reddit hate on Riot's recent move to increase RP costs in none USA regions (in a response to recent developments in exchange rates). People see a 10% increase and then complain how between the regions the cost for RP is simply not the same and hasn't been before. Which is impossible anyway, but maybe there's some fair criticism there. Regardless it stinks for anyone involved. In a span of just months, Riot has seen an effective decrease of their EU revenue by 25-30%, since I assume they write their results in dollars. That is rough. So they decide to share the pain a little bit, take the hit in possible sales perhaps. For EU, RP is in practice something you are importing from a US based company... the euro gets cheaper, importing costs more.

All in all, it's not ideal, but it's understandable...

One problem i have (this may only cover OCE) is that everyone is complaining, yet we actually STILL have a better rate then converting and buying in USD.

It was always a move that was gonna get some hate, and honestly on OCE boards we have more people willing to defend the move then attack it.

The one thing i honestly believe though, is that if the USD>everywhere else's currency exchange went in the other direction, we wouldn't have seen any increase in RP/decrease in cost's etc.

[JasonWazza]

The problem i have is when the first pick on the enemy team is clearly just picking their champs counters and i'm just sitting here like.

"Now do i ban the champ he clearly wants, or do i go with another OP pick?"

I feel they need to up the bans immediately, and quit fucking champs over cause that just lessens the "these champs are likely to stomp the game cause we nerfed their counters."

[JasonWazza]

I just ban the champ they are clearly doing for laughs, the amount of dodges i have had with one ban is beautiful.

[JasonWazza]

However, every Annie at my ELO (high gold) just Q spams the minion waves, effectively removing the stun threat if you just keep tabs of her pyro stacks.

And here i am only ever doing this when i know that the opponent no longer has kill pressure (just burned a couple of needed spells)

Like every leblanc i have vs'd as annie, they will use their W to farm the wave, then i will happily cycle through the 4 minions i want to get my stun again.

I would have thought that by high gold that would have been a known thing though.

[JasonWazza]

currently 6/0 on annie with a 3.4 KDA, i forgot how strong she just simply was by being annie.

Also means i'm in my silver 3 promos now.

[JasonWazza]

One of my mates mentioned renekton working in the jungle to me, so i was doing a normal hoping to get mid and get stuck with jungle, and decide to try him out, and his decently strong in the jungle.

Is there any suggestions anyone would have build wise for a tanky renekton jungle.

Here's what i ended up with (i know the build order is terrible etc. and i may have forgottern to do my trinket until way to late in the game)

Reason i decided to avoid MR was i was shutting Diana down pretty hard in team fights then jumping onto the vayne, because wukong decided he wanted to feed vayne ridiculously up in top lane, and i knew full well i couldn't jump him without the team backing me up once Diana was down.

[JasonWazza]

That doesn't seem all that bad. Warrior enchantment into full tank after seems like a good Renekton build out of the jungle. Thing is, lane Renekton already has issues being relevant going into mid-lategame, so how is jungle Renekton even going to be relevant at any point in the game. His ganks don't seem that strong, and farming up doesn't really feel like a good idea either. Fight the other jungler seems fine, but then you need your team to be attentive if one of the solo laners roam to help

Anyway, regarding build. Don't get the FH (Let Morg build that, Renek doesn't need CDR), but the rest of the build seems fine.

The main thing is, i found i had to be really creative about my gank pathing, and i was basically just counter ganking the Lee when i wasn't just full behind the laners for the gank.

P-Edit: that doesn't mean he need's it.

[JasonWazza]

I am now S3, fucking long game to pull back but we ended up getting there.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

[JasonWazza]

It works.


Put one point into W level one, walk around, with it on, go OOM, it stays on until you die or press W again.

This is game-breaking.

I don't know whether i would go with game breaking, what it means is that people are more likely to just leave it going and run OOM so they can't use their other actually useful spells

So yeah not game breaking, just someone fucked something up.

[JasonWazza]

I'm currently storming through Silver on my smurf with the occasional fuck you asshole silver afk/throw games and weird 3 feeder variance the only thing I'm lsoing to. Silver is easy.

He says with a 65% win rate in the last 20 games.

For those who aren't miles above their MMR in ranked it's a lot harder to climb.

[JasonWazza]

Considering his "storming through" at a 65% win rate that's kinda meh.

I mean my last 20 i'm sitting at 70% but i'd by no means say i'm anywhere near storming it.

[JasonWazza]

Considering his "storming through" at a 65% win rate that's kinda meh.

I mean my last 20 i'm sitting at 70% but i'd by no means say i'm anywhere near storming it.

70% is definitely storming, I just looked it up. And you're playing pretty fuckign well dude. Like I know it's on Oce but you can only beat what they put in front of you, ya know?

I wouldn't say i'm playing well in most of those, hell a lot of those i know full well i was either behind and pulled it back, or in front and had to keep my team from throwing the damn game, honestly i still play a really shitty mid lane game, i have my occasional stomp game but otherwise my play sucks shit.

@Wazza: Is 75% in my last 20 and 9 of my last 10 storming? CAUSE I"M STORMIN'!! #silvereasy

I also feel like storming should be 80%+ sort of stats AND closing games pretty strongly, but i guess that's just me

Also i'm back from a bit of a break so i will probably see tomorrow if i can keep my 7 win streak alive.

[JasonWazza]

Storming implys your at a better standard then all the people your with/against anyway though (which in the case, Panzer IS better then silver.) I hardly think it's that big of a thing considering boosting etc. exists to at least that sort of a standard anyway.

I find it funny when i look people up and they are so clearly boosted and they actually argue that they aren't, so many gold's exist that don't know the basic's then i question why they switched F/D keys between ranked and normals.

Good times.

[JasonWazza]

So i'm learning that apparently nobody in bronze knows how to braum or how to anti-braum. This is veeeeeeery relevant to me at the moment.

Nobody in bronze knows how to support.

That amount of Doran's Ring's starts i have seen on supports in low level games is stupid.

[JasonWazza]

i was wondering, is it even viable to not start a support item? or is the gold generation and cost too important?

Unless your going for a full kill lane, then realistically it's not worth it, the stats you get from the gold generation item as well as the extra GP/10 is worth a lot more then anything else.

Depends on who you are, but probably not.

However, in low elo you can do stuff other than sightstone/support upgrade early if you have the right gold. Sheen on Sona is one I've done quite a few times if we get an early lead.

Yeah not going a sightstone first is generally a decent idea, but the support upgrade is actually generally worth it.

[JasonWazza]

Also super rude add on to my taric/thresh/braum argument. If you are a support main and you aren't high elo, you probably are a mouth breather who can barely dress themselves. Why would you play a skillshot champ if you can barely manage to make sure all your clothes aren't backwards and inside out?

Low elo now means you can't hit skillshots?

[JasonWazza]

This is partially here for opinions partially here as a note for myself of what i play in each lane.

Top: Nasus, Irelia (still picking her up but i'm somewhat decent), Renekton (would Shyv be better as a top laner over renekton?)
Mid: Nidalee, Annie, Katarina (i'd only consider as a last pick), Fiddlesticks
Support: Thresh, Nami, Morgana (leo counter), Annie
ADC: Jinx, Graves

I don't jungle anymore cause i can't work it at all in the new jungle, also I know my list is lacking a lot (ADC and being absent from jungle) and i have a small short list of champs i want to buy/add to my roster if i click decently with them

Spoiler: List

Leona (i've always been terrible with her engages Eing at the wrong time but i think i should actually learn her)
Zyra
Diana
Gnar (give me that ranged top laner, without going to my completely off meta's)
Braum
Lucian (probably the only ADC i don't have that i might actually click with)

Given my list, what champions should i be getting and trying to add to my list ASAP?

[JasonWazza]

Low Elo supporting, where your ADC thinks they know all and they really don't.

[JasonWazza]

9 win streak in ranked at the moment, Still have intact my 100% Annie with 8 wins as well.

[JasonWazza]

10 in a row, series for S2 and now a 9 game perfect Annie with a 4.07 KDA.

I will cry if i lose my next Annie game.

EDIT: Streak broke at 11 playing sona support with a fizz that had blitz steal his early red buff to fuck our lane, and an AD ez Mid who keeps picking ez with a trash KDA and 39% win rate.

GG.

[JasonWazza]

I'm sick of urf. If you don't play the op champs (which I don't own or can't play in urf) you lose. ALL THE TIME. I dont understand how being blown up every 2.5 seconds is fun.

Play with friends and play a comp, or play a champion that you always find fun (example being lulu, you can't get mad when you play her )

Me and my mates were drinking and did global comps last night and it was funny as.

[JasonWazza]

1st loss on annie at 13 games in, makes me sad.

I hate duos that think they are the best and actually lose the game for the team, and when they are combined with feeders calling shots it's just even more annoying.

Seriously though, if you are feeding, don't attempt to shot call.

[JasonWazza]

I'd even argue that in solo queue the guy who feeds should shot call.

Everyone in that game is at the same ELO by some combination of their game sense and their mechanical play. If you're feeding because your mechanics suck, logically you have the most game sense in that game.

In high elo that may be the case, however it isn't so in low elo.

She wanted us to group mid against a Diana, Sona, Fiora, Graves and Hecarim.

The very obvious con, all the fucking AoE in the world, all this while they have a massive gold lead, and a couple of dragons.

[JasonWazza]

I'd even argue that in solo queue the guy who feeds should shot call.

Everyone in that game is at the same ELO by some combination of their game sense and their mechanical play. If you're feeding because your mechanics suck, logically you have the most game sense in that game.

In high elo that may be the case, however it isn't so in low elo.

She wanted us to group mid against a Diana, Sona, Fiora, Graves and Hecarim.

The very obvious con, all the fucking AoE in the world, all this while they have a massive gold lead, and a couple of dragons.

But is the alternative to let them 5 push your towers while people farm side lanes? If they are grouping, you need to group. That's the bottom line.

The assumption here, is that they were 5 man pushing?

They only responded with a 5 man push after they saw that those 4 twats were grouping (cause the other 2 that weren't part of the feeding sup's duo listened even when i said we shouldn't.)

A lot of silvers only react to plays happening, whether slow or not, grouping actually made them group, and by the function of getting aced nearly every fight, we lost the game.

[JasonWazza]

It's less of an assumption and more just saying there is context to everything. Were people getting caught out? Why was the answer group? What was the alternative to grouping? Also with your explanation it makes it sound like you were splitting while your team is grouping, which isn't the right thing when you're losing.

League is a game with a shit load of variables and almost everything is contextual which is why it's really hard to get good

The problem mostly was they were grouping, then 5 man chasing 1 person into the rest of their team, also i wasn't spliting, half the time i spent fucking warding something (Dragon, Baron, a Flank), pinging them to back up, then having them go in and engage.

The alternative was probably to FF, honestly they fed diana to the point she 1-shot everyone but Udyr, picks in our jungle bushes might have worked but i think most of our jungle was warded.

Honestly farming up was a better alternative then grouping, had they been able to not take a skillshot.

[JasonWazza]

Play globals as a team and its really fun womboing anyone

[JasonWazza]

Except Sonic Wave's Execute has a maximum damage against monsters.

[JasonWazza]

what was the other execute? unless you're on voice comms, the idea that you should be able to time different champions' executes along with smite is laughable.

Don't get me wrong, it's still amazing to steal a baron, etc. Just pointing out that it's not really cho's fault.

Nidalee Q.

As a note, Nid's Q isn't THAT type of execute (it scales up, but isn't based on missing health), but there is no reason that an AP nidalee that is full AP with smite should be able to have baron stolen off her.

[JasonWazza]

what was the other execute? unless you're on voice comms, the idea that you should be able to time different champions' executes along with smite is laughable.

Don't get me wrong, it's still amazing to steal a baron, etc. Just pointing out that it's not really cho's fault.

Nidalee Q.

As a note, Nid's Q isn't THAT type of execute (it scales up, but isn't based on missing health), but there is no reason that an AP nidalee that is full AP with smite should be able to have baron stolen off her.

Not that Q, the other Q.

I'm talking about the cougar Q

[JasonWazza]

Can we just stop this and realize one thing

VIDEO GAMES ARE SEXIST, RACIST, ETC. NO ONE REALLY GIVES THIS MUCH OF A FUCK.

[JasonWazza]

The problem being that people kick up a stink over it, fact is sex sells (hence the body images, and it does work) and does it really matter so much that their isn't culturally diverse skin colors in a game that is set IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING REALM.

If this was set on earth and in our culture, then maybe this argument would have a point, as it stands, it really holds nothing.

Fact is riot have creative freedom to make their champions look how they please, is it sexist? yeah probably, but honestly hyper sexualisation sells, is it ethical? tell me why it's wrong, because it's really not, if you have a problem with that, then why buy products that are sexualized? (seriously good luck with that one, most products have a decent amount of sexism in their products.)

This goes into another argument that has been had, the whole GTAV argument of the cops are racist, when they are racially accurate to real life.

Why is it that games are held to a massive ass statement of bullshit equality, yet no where else is held to such scrutiny?

[JasonWazza]

It's not just people getting caught, it's the fact that your clock for winning the game ran out.

Let me point out the comps a little.

Your team:
1 Tank
2 AP mid's
1 ADC
1 Support tank

Their team:
1 AP/Tank (cho)
1 AD/Tank (Vi)
2 ADC's
1 Support Healer.

Meaning if they can get on Ez, they win with MR, not only this, but 2 ADC comps have great sustained damage, so if you guys couldn't close a fight within a few seconds (or at least remove them both) you's had actually lost that fight, not to mention soraka just makes this problem 10 fold.

Not to mention their front line outclasses yours by far (especially considering you had no damage.)

[JasonWazza]

Is fiddlesticks e still rng?

Since they added the preferential to non hit targets it's less RNG and more "Your gonna take 1 hit from this only"

[JasonWazza]

So i'm having a terrible bout in ranked atm, but i'd like some opinions on if i'm doing enough in warding (had 3 games of morg mid where i focused on vision control)

Naturally my warding does suck a bit.

[JasonWazza]

I'm sad with where the meta has gone, most of my comfort picks just get sat on by this meta and i just can't find anything i can get a massive lead on.

RIP Nidalee (I realize she does still work, but due to the tank meta it's a ton harder.)

[JasonWazza]

The question I'm asking is: When should I use Pen runes instead of Damage runes.

Reason's to take AD runes:
Early game champion
High ratios
You intend to go aggressive early.
If you have problems CSing then take these

Reason's to take Pen runes:
Late game champion
Low ratios
You intend to win late game.
Lack of penetration items (1 part, 3 full items and an enchantment is all there is.)

This is a short version, but basically AD runes win early Pen runes win late

[JasonWazza]

So just had a game where i was last pick, jungle and sej wasn't banned or picked.

Sometimes I'm amazed by low elo people.

[JasonWazza]

Getting back to being really confident on my nidalee, and just got promoted to S2.

I will earn that damn gold this season.

[JasonWazza]

So given it came up in thread, why is it that people are changing to scaling health seals and scaling MR/AP blues? (especially mid laners)

Personally i find it benefits me because i look the info up and think about the matchup, but personally i don't understand it.

[JasonWazza]

IMO

Ekko is massively overtuned right now. Needs srs nerfs.

Excluding Bard, I can't remember the last time a champion was released in any kind of balanced state.

This made me laugh so hard.

[JasonWazza]

Bonus crit damage applies to her frost-crits still.

The crit damage only applys as a Percentage multiplier to the crit chance though.

I still think Full crit damage rune page, a high crit chance/AD build, and just clean house late game as a power house.

[JasonWazza]

Black Cleaver is almost as good for her personal aa damage as Last Whisper if you manage her Focus passive well, and it gives 400 HP, 20% CDR, and benefits teammates. ^_^

I thought the Q wasn't meant to proc the 5 BC stacks (as it's only meant to apply on-hit effects ONCE) so this may be a bug.

EDIT: Although i totally want to see an On attack team with an Ashe to see the luls (IE: Nami, Lulu and any other champs) in one shotting someone with magic damage as an ashe with Q

[JasonWazza]

Ah i thought it was, nvm me then.

[JasonWazza]

has TF supp always been a thing? this is my second game in as many days with a TF support.

It's always been a "thing" but some pro has probably played it, i have seen like 4 in the past week.

[JasonWazza]

Ashe's Q counts for each arrow that hits. Idk how many stacks that is per AA, but it seems like it might be worth a try.

Four stacks

Does it actually only do four stacks?

Because it fires

five

arrows.

[JasonWazza]

The biggest thing i personally find with the new Ashe is she's the main ADC in requirement of actual luck, as she has to rely on most other ADC's not landing their crit's on her.

Also is it just me or does her Q focusy thing not seem to crit? (this could be to do with their new number showing system for all i actually know)

[JasonWazza]

Everyone should just be abusing freelo Renekton right now.

What build do you go that makes him freelo?

Cause honestly i haven't noticed the change to his W (that's probably just me) and he was already decent just not amazing outside of laning.

[JasonWazza]

Gotta love troll premades that decide they will double jungle and leave me solo bot as janna.

Oh well i was having fun with sion in the end.

[JasonWazza]

i want to win winning is fun
but i also probably want to stay adc

http://imgur.com/a/p5mCJ

This is the infographic for ADCs that Penguin is using to learn. It's not perfect but it's a great help for starters!

There's no ashe in that list.

[JasonWazza]

so what is with Rumble and Viktor STILL being disabled?

[JasonWazza]

So question, on my malz mid, is it more worth having Magic pen Red's or AD Reds?

I've changed my Mid AP page to have AD reds because my champions in the lane (Nidalee, Malz and Annie) generally get enough benefit off the AD as the slight increase in magic pen. (not so much annie since the patch.)

I dunno just kinda want to know what you guys think.

[JasonWazza]

Sounds like the last game i had to promote me to Silver 1

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

Zed and Trist were basically fucking useless, either they were busy being caught out, or busy not being in teamfights.

Also yeah i'm silver 1 now.

EDIT: Mind you i'm still not sure in what realm the ranks of the game made sense.

Spoiler: image

Gold 2, Gold 5, Silver 3, Silver 4, Unranked

V

Silver 2, Silver 2, Bronze 2, Unranked, Unranked.

[JasonWazza]

Wow.

[JasonWazza]

Skarner is an infuriating cunt.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

Basically every death (barring i think 1) i was skarner ult'd and then Ashe Ult'd (or the other way around).

"Counter Play"

[JasonWazza]

Really hard to watch chat when a fight is going on. I honestly never watch chat unless I'm dead.

This

If i'm reading chat it's either some sort of down time or it's been useful in that game (rare).

One recommendation i have is make an on the way ping to see if a ward gets dropped.

[JasonWazza]

So utility mastery changes, thoughts?

[JasonWazza]

i think they're positive changes. +20 MS is more useful to start with, while losing some power later. Theoretically it might make it worthwhile to get boots other than mobies, but I kind of doubt it. The bandit improvement is a pretty huge deal for champions like Leona and way overdue. The switch of the mana utility thing seems fine, though i'm not sure the purpose.

The movement speed thing is kind of a stealth nerf on Janna I guess?

Skipping the stuff on the wanderer change because i'm a bit meh on those.

Bandit change is a needed change, but i feel 8 is a bit overkill, and i may have a personal dislike to it having mostly ranged supports but whatever.

The mana change is the one fucking me over because either my full utility mastery pages have problems because the bottom of the tree you want all the points, and i don't want the shitty mana changes.

I think the overall switch might have problems with anyone that liked the mana regen from the early point's in utility tree.

Personally i just had to change like 50% of my pages because the flat mana i think is a bit meh.

[JasonWazza]

how do I win my promos

Don't lose.

[JasonWazza]

2 games in a row, easy win in ranked turns 4v5 for an amount of time, and game is lost because of it.

People on league shit the fuck out of me.

So infuriating that 1 person DCing swings the match so fucking much.

[JasonWazza]

Honestly treat promo's like any other game, because essentially they are the same, building up the fact that they are promo's doesn't help as it will just stress you out.

Play it like every single other game.

Asking for tips for "how to win promo's" essentially is asking "How do i win a league of legend's game."

[JasonWazza]

Ignore it, how does that information change anything?

(also i'm pretty sure that's bullshit.)

[JasonWazza]

Quick Reasoning why promo's always feel rigged or fixed against players in promo's:

Basically the premise of a promo sounds fine, best of 3/5 and you have to win 66%/60% to advance, however two things happen in promos.

1) you pay a shit ton of more attention to your losses then in normal non promo games, this isn't necessarily an all bad effect, but it gives the feeling of the system being against you.
2) because you won the game into promo's you actually have to win 75%/66% of the recent games (3/4 or 4/6) (assuming you weren't on a win streak) because you can't have a loss into promo's which again gives a feeling of riggedness as your forced to win a massive percentage in a small number of games to actually be able to move up.

Sad thing is realistically, the Best of 5 series is actually easier on the player, but because of the length of it, it feels like a bigger failure then it realistically is (is going 50% in your recent games that bad?)

[JasonWazza]

Nice (though it's kinda sad you outwarded the support )

[JasonWazza]

With a diamond 5 Gnar on your team, and a Plat 4 skarner that's actually really good with skarner.

[JasonWazza]

I personally do way too many checks in my own mind but meh.

OP.GG i use the multi search in champion select
Carry.GG i go over the broader game wide spectrum.

[JasonWazza]

With a diamond 5 Gnar on your team, and a Plat 4 skarner that's actually really good with skarner.

Skarner and TF were both determined to see who can feed harder.

I feel like your exaggerating here.

[JasonWazza]

So this happened.

After seeing the scripting stuff on reddit, this is probably a guy scripting.

I have hit one of these personally (with the actual aim to) basically the more you shoot with the hope of it, the more likely it is to eventually happen.

What makes it look more like a script is that moving back and forth bit before the ult shot (a human is more likely to stand still while counting the recall).

But it's not impossible to do as a human.

[JasonWazza]

So this is what happens when my team is stomping a game in normals and i want to practice freezing, so get first tower and then proceed to freeze for 10 minutes.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... ?tab=stats

EDIT: And now i'm getting retardly off ranked games again, i mean i know plat 5 is quite possible to have low gold MMR, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

Spoiler: ranked game

[JasonWazza]

Support teemo is that thing i lock in when i'm hoping for a dodge.

Somehow whenever i do, we win.

it's more that you play him like shit and joker all your money on tank items.

I find it works because your also the only support with a global taunt, regardless of how tanky you are, people will be enraged and attack you first.

[JasonWazza]

Wait anyone in this thread has any respect for me?

Also i don't just do it all the time, generally there is an argument in team select, and it's just one i really can't be fucked putting up with.

And honestly, i don't really care, sure i'm trying to force the dodge, but clearly from my play i still try to win the game, it's not like i'm someone who throws/feeds/dc's because i have a little shit fit.

[JasonWazza]

Unless it's the new champion?

[JasonWazza]

The problem is, if they are willing to pick ryze, which they don't know, they are willing to pick ANYONE that they don't know.

Sucking is generally a player trait, not a champion one.

[JasonWazza]

Also as a note, i've been running into a few good ryze's, and my god are they fucking stupid.

Whoever thought the change from 1 CD of your abilitys reset to your Q's CD worth in reset's is stupid.

Right now the main counterplay to ryze is Wait till he runs out of mana.

Except his ryze and builds mana.

His ult CD doesn't exist and need's the zilean ult treatment (CD reset will no longer drop the ult cooldown.)

EDIT: Just found this on ryze for youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ckIwoz ... e=youtu.be

[JasonWazza]

I'm pretty sure the intended counterplay is to fight him when his passive is down and play passive when his passive is up or about to be up.

Except for the fact that just after his passive drops, he has his spells ready to cast again.

And at 2 spells you have to back right the fuck up or else he will just faceroll you to death.

Fact is 5 seconds being safe in lane out of every 15+ isn't counterplay.

[JasonWazza]

So just did a bots to test his combos and shit.

You have to be scared after 6 at 1 stack because his able to get it fully stacked.

5 seconds of safety for about 40 seconds of not being safe.

Honestly even though his new i would suggest his pick or ban.

Simple combo: W>Q>E>Q>W>Q>E>Q

[JasonWazza]

What part of laning phase are you losing?

[JasonWazza]

fuck me, first game of gold promo's, i get railroaded into being ADC, easily my worst role.

[JasonWazza]

Currently 1/1 in my promos cause i got the biggest bunch of feeders.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... 474676/eog

Everyone bitched at me for not pushing my tower the one time Vlad turned up down there, soon as the wave pushed in he TP'd there and i had to point out that he had that TP the whole time and that there's no point trying to get a tower when we are 4v20

[JasonWazza]

I am now officially a Gold V.

EDIT: the game that won me my promo's.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

And to win the game i managed to get the game ending pick on Kali so we could just slam up mid after like 2-3 minutes of baron dancing.

[JasonWazza]

is there a way to differentiate between having grevious wounds on you (e.g. morello's) and having ignite on you?

the little X-shape above your champion. Or maybe it's a heart with needles or and X through/on it. One of the two, but that's your indicator.

The indicators are the same though because they are both grievous wound's.

I don't think apart from looking at your debuff's if there is an actual indicator to tell your ignited over just grievous wounded.

[JasonWazza]

So wait, now 9 points in Defense = increased tenacity?

[JasonWazza]

Debatable, and it'd be for laning phases (EG. take against Annie.)

[JasonWazza]

But the tenacity is a bonus, and it's easy points is my point, it's not very hard to take 9 points in defense and they gimped it for tanks.

[JasonWazza]

The thing with Elise is other champs outclass her with what she does.

Not to mention, your building her basically like what you build Sej/Gragas, but she doesn't have any of the health scalings that they do.

People are saying runeglaive may help her. Idk.

That item i feel like will turn into a noob trap, because the junglers that benefit from it, are the ones that benefit most from Lichbane anyway (apart for a slightly faster clear speed possibly, not sure about that one though.) and Lichbane will generally be better for what is AP junglers at this time.

Not to mention most of the AP junglers don't have that bad an AoE clear speed anyway.

It will be interesting to see that enchantment when it actually comes to live.

[JasonWazza]

Zac?

[JasonWazza]

Well naturally runeglaive items are worse than Lich Bane items. They also cost way way less. The thing is, something like Runeglaive+2nd item (such as RoA) is comparable to <otherJungleitem>+Lichbane so if gives you more build flexibility and a more reasonable mid game
At least, that's what I've been told. I haven't actually tested any of this so like you did it'll be interesting to see what happens on live servers.

I agree but the problem stands at: these junglers have lichbane in the core builds 9/10 times if they are going for magus, and runeglaive is more likely to just make every jungler take cinderhulk, because there are very few that actually want Runeglaive for what it is.

If enchantment changes were available at a decent price then maybe this would be viable (get lichbane 3-4 items in and switch to cinderhulk)

I think it will need some sort of change to be viable on junglers.

[JasonWazza]

I don't think so. You get a power spike with runeglaive a lot earlier. For most champions, you'll still want to start machete, and you probably want your jungle item (for chilling smite or whatever). So beyond what you have already, that's 1400 gold you need to finish your item and start whopping people with your spellblade procs. Compare that to Lich bane where beyond the jungle item you need

3000

gold, and it's pretty obvious which gets you to a power spike first. Plus, early on that 6% missing mana part is going to be pretty nice.

That said, who really used lich bane? Diana and Ekko? Maybe Kayle? It's possible this will make these champions more acceptable meta picks, but most AP champions rarely want to use their auto attacks. Maybe there'll be some attempts at playing more unusual mages in the jungle like akali?

I'll agree it's an earlier spike i'm just saying compared to magus it's not good.

And what AP junglers that WANT magus don't want lich bane?

Honestly i'm thinking Diana, Nidalee, AP Evelynn (as niche as that is)

Remember i'm talking about Runeglaive in relevance to it replacing Magus.

I mean the missing mana thing isn't bad, but i don't know how great it would be in practice even at the stage of the game that it's built (either it'd be basically a blue buff in which case that's stupid as fuck, or it'd be close to useless)

[JasonWazza]

I feel like giving this to fiddle would be effectively giving him a blue buff all game, and i don't like that idea.

[JasonWazza]

Brutalizer is in a horrid spot right now.

Other then ADC's i don't think i have bought it since new BC.

[JasonWazza]

Question guys is this intended (someone showed me this today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toXupRy ... .be&t=1m5s

[JasonWazza]

Question guys is this intended (someone showed me this today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toXupRy ... .be&t=1m5s

yes.
i didn't watch the whole thing but it should not work with bushes, though, so that's fair.

It works if you ward the bush's so it's basically able to spot Eve even entering into mid.

[JasonWazza]

So i think i'm gonna mostly focus on jungling now, i haven't actually won a mid lane game since having been promoted, and my jungling while i'm not fully confident on it, works really rather well.

Anyone got some extra tips for someone just starting to focus on jungling other then the basics?

[JasonWazza]

And Vi. Amumu for magic dmg, Vi for physical.

I prefer my Sejuani/Gragas/Rek'sai

Always one of them open.

[JasonWazza]

So been playing around on a bronze account of one of my friends as everyone knows he never plays ranked, and my god some people are doomed to bronze forever, had a J4 lock our entire team in his ult, against a Sona/Zac/Swain/Corki/Garen, and then he goes and blames me cause i couldn't carry late game as kayle.

[JasonWazza]

You were as bad as all those people, probably worse.

I'm in gold.

Also

https://twitter.com/RiotLyte/status/614296080403034113

Fuck you too Rito.

[JasonWazza]

Were. Not are. They'll get better, like you did. I have faith in them.

Oh alright then, and no some people aren't able to actually go anywhere because of their ego's.

[JasonWazza]

Well it helps that the base's on your ability's are still ridiculous.

[JasonWazza]

I've thought about getting a gaming mouse so that I can map some pings or activated items to the mouse. Does anyone do this? Is it worth adjusting to?

Basically i have a Logitech G300

4 buttons are used for pings, 1 for a taunt (i change per champion)

I also have my settings for Left mouse button as Attack Move and Middle Click as my actual left click (because left click is really not all that needed.)

The benefits of this is i never have to use the ping button because the 4 i have set kinda cover everything (Missing, Assistance, Going to, Danger)

I've had this setup running for about 3-4 months now, and it's autonomous i don't even think of what button i am hitting for a ping anymore.

[JasonWazza]

what's the benefits of attack+move?

I hear lots of that, but i've never understood why its superior

it's usually attack+move+click actually (and i'm pretty sure that's what he means).

No there is a way to bind it so it's JUST left clicking.

[JasonWazza]

Honestly i only see lane swaps in normals, and it's usually more often then not me being in a 5 man with the team on TS and we decide that it's a good call.

It should be extremely rare in lower elo solo queue, and i'm extremely surprised to hear it's happening in gold level games.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah i have a feeling the real reason that OCE got the Instant feedback system delayed, is because at least half the server would be banned instantly.

The explanation they have on record is completely different and still sounds BS to me.

http://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/e ... t=00010000

[JasonWazza]

God your comments on that thread. Just so standard LoL forum bullshit. Are you really that personally offended or what?

The question above, it's rhetorical. I honestly don't care why, I just a hate seeing that attitude all the time.

My annoyance is more for the fact that this could have been avoided really easily, and it's a matter of "we were kinda lazy and didn't change the thing we should have, so you get this late"

At least that's my understanding of what was said.

EDIT: Unless your meaning the Rito game comment then i fully understand.

[JasonWazza]

ftp systems.

heh Free to play.

[JasonWazza]

Yes. Free to play. Which chases monetisation through other means like aesthetic products.

That is what literally everyone understands free to play to be and you being snarky about it just because it has the word "free" in it (which it TOTALLY IS! You could play this whole game for zero dollars if you wanted to! You choose to pay because riot are actually really fucking good at being a business that makes a product that you want for a price you're willing to pay!)

You're not a fucking revolutionary, this is FTP economics 101. Riot are actually amazing at it, and that doesn't make them bad people or an evil business or omg Rito plz. Having a snarky scoff because they've made a product that is so AWESOME that people want to spend money on it is 10/10 dumb.

Jesus fuck, man. Why even play this game if you're too fucking good for it. Just sit at home and type blogs about how silly all these companies are for having a sound business model.

No need for your pantys to get into a twist, i just always laugh when League gets called a Free to play game, not because it's not true, but because of how much everyone spends on it.

[JasonWazza]

How is kayle in a bad spot/bottom tier?

[JasonWazza]

What top laners counter top lane wukong?

His one of the only top laners i actually struggle against on a regular basis.

[JasonWazza]

I do believe "Psychotic Cannon" is more fitting.

[JasonWazza]

I thought Tahm to be very situational and kinda feels as a Braum in lane and teamfights to an extent. He relies heavily on other people.

On the other hand, tried Sejuani last night after not playing her for a while. This bitch snowballs hard holy shit. Am I the only one though that likes to run exp runes in the jungle on junglers that spike at lvl6?

how many fewer camps do exp runes allow you to do to hit six?

6% for the 3 quints, so it's probably possible to hit 6 before second buff spawn, consistently with ganking.

The question is though, is it worth those 3 quint slots to hit it maybe 2/3 camps early (that's at least what i would estimate it as)?

[JasonWazza]

So went onto the support site for something else, but out of interest i opened a support ticket i put up like half a year back, the report was about a guy who was most certainly botting, decided to check on OP.GG, and i would hazard a guess it got perma'd because he no longer exists.

Always good when that sort of thing happens.

[JasonWazza]

to be fair, when someone buys a botted account they'll almost certainly rename it.

Nah different sort of bot, it was a level 30 account and was playing Yasuo, all the wind walls were botted.

I was playing Ahri, and if i Q'd while his windwall was on cooldown and it came off cooldown behind him, he would wind wall in front of him and stop the orb quite reaching me without actually blocking anything (which is what triggered me thinking this in the first place.)

[JasonWazza]

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegend ... ious_skin/

[JasonWazza]

I just love "smurfs" or "boosters" who randomly change their flash key on the lower account

You'd think people would be intelligent enough to pick a fake account that at least has the same flash key.

EDIT:
http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

I had 4 buffs for most of the game past first buff's, and 3 buffs when i didn't (i had to give up one blue to them)

Ah the joys of counter jungling when the enemy jungler shows their face.