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And the bloody replacements olympics begin.
@ofrhz: As D1L pointed out, it's a mechanical thing that I think 0-1 scum are in this hood. You simply don't give scum multiple "Doctor of unknown sanity" roles. You lowkey give them one and they can figure it our by waiting to see how the other members of the neighborhood flip, or not at all.
That said, you are legit scum to me because of your stances. Your push on me is totally unjustified and is likely influenced by <redacted for now>, Your confidence in Pelican's flip being green from the very start is obv!Wking. Your lack of flare/presence in the game is alarming. Like, where do I even start here?
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I outed who the hood members were. I didn't out the roles/function of it, and to explain why IO thought 0-1 scum were in this hood I'd have had to say something like what I just did in my previous post in this PT. Like; "you don't give scum multiple 1-shot Doctor of unknown sanity roles". How was I to answer your question otherwise?
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Because -assuming you're town- you know some other players (who are also likely town from your own PoV) didn't want to out the roles yet. Because EVEN IF PUSH COME TO SHOVE and you are the N1 NK (I don't see how this could even be a realistic assumption) there are at least 2 other townies who will be able to convey each and every word said in here to the main thread tomorrow.
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And you wonder why I'm calling you out?? Ram has been clear enough he wasn't touching the "50/50" between FL & Peliocan with a barge pole (i.e.. wasn't voting Pelican this century), and having "no thoughts" on Gork is "shrugging off responsibility". On top of that you picked me to state a SR on? Yeah, all the hood is scum then. Let's let's JJD and if he flips green I can go for Gork or D1: because I have no thoughts and no idea what their stances are.
Like, again.. let's hypothetically assume you're town here for a minute.. if I said I SR you and had no thoughts on the other two, would you be TRing me for it? WAIT! I'll even call myself an ofrhz alt. Now would you TR me for that???I AM THE LAW!-
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You're either bad ir really bad for this regardless of your alignment.
Let me try and make it a bit clearer: There is a Mafia team, most likely composed of 4 slots (could be 3 or 5, depending on the power distribution, but the standard is 4 in a 17 players setup). In fact, I'll try to cover all possibilities.
3-man scum team with a 1-shot Doctor is never the case. Period. There are Millers, Vigs, unkillable/untargetable slots, so if the scum are only 3 then one of Bingle or Vecna gas to be scum to compensate for it (hint: It's Bingle 101% of the time.). The other two are also string PRs (i.e. not 1-shot Doctors)
4-man team: 0-1 scums in this PT is reasonable. (That's may or may not have a scumster in this hood). This whole hood has negligible powers compared to the rest of the game (minus the trio we have no idea what they are, but still..). Scum may or may not be given a vote boost, but the sure do have one of theirs in the "must be lynched because they cannot be NK'd" hood. One in the Millers PT is reasonable (and more likely than one in the Doctors), and almost certainly one in the Ninja hood. That leaves us AND the "unknown powers trio" for one additional scum slot. 1 Unkillable + 1 (fake) Miller + 1 Ninja + 1 in either of the other 2 PTs
5-man scum team: Still has one in the unkillables, but not necessarily between the multiple voters (i.e. Marquis is likely). 1 Ninja + 1 Miller still, and TWO others (so one is in here for certain).
Now try to sell me more than one scum in this PT to counter.I AM THE LAW!-
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The tl;dr is: 3 scums = this is a Masonry. 4 scums = maybe but unlikey. 5 scums = most like 1 but that also means scum are in all hoods and the town is at a disadvantage which justifies giving town 2 multiple voters and Bingle is stupid town for suggesting not using it.
Oh, right. Forgot about the Penguin somehow.I AM THE LAW!-
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The thing is ofrhz knows I think a lot about mechanics and setup, and that I do not necessarily out all my thoughts on D1. I wasn't trying to be much of an element in shaping how the day went and that is NOT how my scum game goes. I suspect she wanted to be TR'd by me for pushing me "because she wouldn't do that as scum.. bla bla.." (I think you get my drift, but that was a specific tell on a certain someone @ofrhz)I AM THE LAW!-
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Because it did look like a scum slip and ANYONE should have harboured some level of suspicion the way things went. Unless you believed BOTH FL & pops were scum, and then it would be overly ridiculous they'd double tag team on Pelican of all players to get him lynched like that.
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Redacted, but I get the feeling you should be bale to make an educated assumption of what I'm talking about.In post 6, ofrhz wrote:Subject: Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Night 1]
Did you want to talk about this here? Or is this [redacted]Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
There's stuff I'm not at liberty of talking about rn, relating to someone else's actions/behaviour that I am attributing ofrhz' behaviour here to. Trust me, I have a valid reason to consider her for scum doing this particular thing.In post 1988, Flavor Leaf wrote:@JJD - don’t fall into the ScumOfhrz trap. That’s what scum want people to think.I AM THE LAW!-
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You're up for a looooong ride. Do you think you can read the thread even remotely?In post 23, chennisden wrote:SupI AM THE LAW!-
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I don't see the relevance. Town Vig is a negative utility (more likely to shoot Town), and then 1-shot DoctorsIn post 17, Day One Wagon wrote:What you think about high chance of scum in our hood just because town vig exists?of unknown sanityreally IS a negative utility for town to. If there's scum they simply can't do much against the Vig because they have no idea what kind of Doctor they are still.
Like, if I was scum and KNEW I was a sane Doctor I could protect a partner. If I was scum and knew I was a CPR doctor I would have used it as a Vig shot. the problem is if I was scum I still dunno which one I am, so I could be killing a partner or blocking them instead, or I could be protecting a townie instead of killing them.
THAT and the fact we don't know if scum are multi-tasking. If they're not then using the role is still bad for scum because they could have been the one to carry out the factional kill instead.I AM THE LAW!-
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Agreed.In post 19, Day One Wagon wrote:Also, it should be obvious, but we shouldn't try to use our abilities, it's not worth it, especially with addiction mechanic in playI AM THE LAW!-
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Listen, I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt, but this is such a bad argument, simply because that lynch was going through 100% of the time the minute FL interfered and rephrased what pops was saying. I myself wasn't sure what pops was talking about even after I had asked her to clarify. It wasn't until FL rehashed it all that it made sense to me. I acknowledge I still had doubts because it's like RCE to skim his role PM, but it was too strong an argument to dismiss with any confidence.In post 31, ofrhz wrote:Speaking of which, I can understand why you think scum!me would push you to evade suspicion
But if you think I'd let a ML opportunity like Perry go, you're wrong about my scum range
So, theoretically, scum you wanted those town points dor going against the grain on what was essentially the day lynch and can now come back with the "I told you so. Look how townie I was defending the mislynched player" kind of thing.
But OK.. let's say you're town and didn't get the feeling that was a compelling case, and also didn't understand what made me think there were 0-1 scum in this hood, and let's start fresh.
First, I'd appreciate it if you listed the living players in order of how well you think you know them or can read them.I AM THE LAW!-
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OK.. let me ask you this: If you somehow knew you were a CPR Doctor, would you be willing to target FL tonight? If he is scum he certainly dies. If he is town though, there's a good chance he is the NK target and you would save him.In post 32, ofrhz wrote:He didn't pick up on Perry's "scumslip" until much much later than when pops started pushing it, and the progression there seems unnatural
Note: I am proposing you KNOW you are a CPR Doctor. I don't care about "what if I am a Paranoid/naive/sane?" possibilities.I AM THE LAW!-
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It wasn't dumb. I think you need to read for yourself though. If we try to catch you up we will end up influencing your reads pretty hard, and I would really rather we don't. This game needs a fresh PoV from someone who wasn't in a lot of side-war activity during D1.In post 34, chennisden wrote:If FL is trying to get away with some dumb shit he is scum
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I have a crazy idea cooking up on my brain. I mean over the top crazy.
If this PT is to be treated like a masonry (needs all 4 of us to be willing to make that assumption and act upon it, because there's no going back) and we decide to take the risk (again, we need all 4 of us to agree to it) we can disregard the caffeine thing and target in Bingle/Vecna/Marquis. (Wait till you read the explanation)
This was we are guaranteed not to kill/block anyone (CPR/paranoid) AND we join their PT, thus become all NK immune.
Even at worst case only one of us does tonight = 3 will be in that PT, and that forces scum to play ONLY for the caffeine win con (because we can't be killed).
Then we all agree to lynch the same player tomorrow (I'm thinking Bingle but I'm open to suggestions) and become the town leaders.
Bingle I suspect is saving his move until it really matters (the voting powers), but I'm not making a case on him or anyone else unless we do agree to take that risk and literally gamble the game in that way. (I of course see he downside of it all, but I think the mere surprise to scum is worth it. They must be planning on something now and this move really comes out of the left field for them so I bet not only they'd be confused but some may even lose grip and out themselves in anger)I AM THE LAW!-
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Who cares about the rest of town? We will become an unkillable town block, and we can sort certain players based on their response to this move alone. (I can't really talk in details about this one just in case we decide for the move and this PT becomes public. Suffice it to say some players will react in a certain manner as town and in a totally different manner as scum to this bold move).In post 66, Day One Wagon wrote:2 problems: paranoia - while we might agree that we masons, we need rest of the town to agree too; strongman might be a thing, especially with reflexive rb in play
As for strongman, they should be limited to 2 shots. THAT is the beauty of it. FOUR "unexpected" more unkillable targets is a MASSIVE blow to the scum team.I AM THE LAW!-
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LOL. The whole town will!! Duh!In post 69, ofrhz wrote:Once we join their hood, whoever is scum will know we’ve all become caffeinatedI AM THE LAW!-
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The thing is we cannot use our abilities beneficially anyway.In post 70, ofrhz wrote:Also we’d be removing any chance of using our abilities beneficially down the line
1- You are suggesting we stay caffeine-free = do not use your ability
2- (and more importantly) we don't know what our ability is. We will have to wait for 4 of us to get whacked before the 4th know what their true role is.I AM THE LAW!-
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1- I am assuming one of them is scum already.
2- Yes, we will be addicted. But if they can't kill us AND we have ONE of Vecna/Marquis "uncffeinated" we're still good. That one doesn't get lynched under ANY circumstances. That would be our insurance policy.
3- I'm unlikely to get lynched because the move is apparently pro-town to anyone who plays the game well. I acknowledge 2-3 slots may not still understand, but hey.. that's not enough.
4- Assuming the worst and I do get lynched, my flip will make the bad townies reconsider, and may actually follow the plan afterwards. THAT is still a good cause to die for.
5- My lynch can only be achieved with the help of the multiple voters. Surely they'd be found out if they try to pass this move from me as scummy, and will be totally exposed when I do flip anyway.
My plan did include the possibility of me getting lynched some time later, to both verify my alignment and to preserve the life of our "insurance policy". If you guys are willing to commit to the plan, I am happy to eat rope tomorrow to prove it came from a town mindset. My only fear is you won't (collectively) fully follow the plan after I'm gone. Give me your word you will follow the plan and I will happily be the D2 lynch if needs be.I AM THE LAW!-
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I am proposing it now. Feel free to either prove me wrong in theory or find the scum in this PT.
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Btw..
@ALL: If I die tonight it does prove there is scum in this PT. There's no way in hell any of us gets shot over like half the players list. On that case, one of you should submit an action to join the immortals tomorrow night. If we can't be of use we're acting as a distraction for scum to choose between shooting us and shooting a stronger town PR or somethingI AM THE LAW!-
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I am enjoying this a lot. Keep on talking out of your arses. This account is meant to play however I want regardless of anything. I don't even care if we lose just as long as I force my play in this persona. Nobody listens to A50. and AP had a nother agenda all the time. THIS is where I get to play risky mafia. I'm not backing off.
I even wanted to go radio silent for the rest og the night, but .. you guys are so fucking awful you need to learn some stuff.
From a Mafia PoV they'd need to kill one of us to learn about that mysterious role D1L was trying to protect from outing in the hood. What's this "only midifiers will flip thing?". If not, they're sending a Role Cop, and once they learn we are Doctors (Role Cop soen't get the number of shots.. just a role) they will try to kill us tomorrow.
This id the game where your vote is much more important than your role, and you know what? You can't vote if you're dead. But considering neither of you seems to trust me then it follow your reads are awful and this so will your votes, so I guess you'r right in that your lives in this game ain't worth shit and you should be decoys for scum to shoot instead of other townies.I AM THE LAW!-
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@Mr idiot: AP is my "troll" account. This is my "tough persona" account. I will do things MY WAY on this account. For example, I will not hammer a TR "just to get a lynch". Instead I would go for a No Lynch if the lynchee is a TR of mine.
And whenever someone says "this reminds me of his scum game" I automatically sort then into the idiots pool. NOBODY knows what my scum game looks like. My long time hydra partner has difficulties reading me when we play separately. Most people who claim to have "a good record pegging me" have been literally embarrassed by that claim of late. Ex: Mastina will no longer say she has a confident read on me.
Finally, if you still think I'm scum here you might as well white flag. If I was scum in a setup this complicated you wouldn't stand a chance, because I'd know how to exploit the vulnerabilities of the town AND I would have looked so towny you'd rather eat the rope yourself than lynch me. It's a bloody MECHANICAL game, and I claim that to be my stronger suit.I AM THE LAW!-
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Yes. Exactly as 0-1 scums in this hood made no sense. You better stick to licking that ice-cream cone. Are you even sure you're Simon Pegg as Nicholas Angel and not Nick Frost as Danny Butterman??In post 108, ofrhz wrote:Why? His move makes no sense from townI AM THE LAW!-
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For someone who can't see beyond the tip of their nose (or in this case, the ice-cream spot on the tip of their nose) your read on anyone doesn't really matter.In post 114, ofrhz wrote:Why pops? I think she’s town
There has to be scum between FL & pops. Unless the mod decided to put TWO scums in the unkillables, in which case we lost already.
P-edit: That has already been explained. You force scum to come hard at you for the lynch OR (if they decide to go for the alternate win con) you form a town block and control the lynch yourself. We need to control the lynch(es) in order to force Bingle to scum claim in the main thread (by using that triple vote he has)I AM THE LAW!-
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Yes. I outed the membership of the hood.In post 117, chennisden wrote:Is it public knowledge that I am in this hoodI AM THE LAW!-
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OK, but then I'll have to replace myself with AP. That's the clown account that doesn't give a shit either way.In post 128, chennisden wrote:JJD pls be cooperative and holster tonight.
I think it's very suboptimal to act tnoight.
PM'ing the mod now.I AM THE LAW!-
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@D1L: Please take your butt off the screen and try using your eyes to read. WHERE THE FUCK did I say I wanted to hide our hood? Quote me saying it or even hinting it. If ofrhz doesn't beat me to it >I< am going to report everything that was said in this PT as as soon as I get to post tomorrow. I mean, I will literally tell then I replaced with AP because "the clowns in my PT" refused to do so and so which I had suggested we do, and btw we are 1-shot Doctors with these sanities (list) but we dunno which is which.
I wish Chara was in this game. They would never go against a mechanical play I suggest.. not even if they suspected me. Duh!
My second strongest suit is mechanical play. My first is THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX. THAT is what makes me ME. Take that away and I become .. erm.. a mere Day One Lynch, maybe??I AM THE LAW!-
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That ain't true either. I didn't say we should. I said that's what they'll do. It's a SCUM move that I would be making if I was scum. It's good FOR SCUM to be doing just that.In post 133, Day One Wagon wrote:You say becoming shield for PRs is dumb, but then you go 180 and saywe should let scum use rolecopand attempt to kill "doc"?I AM THE LAW!-
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Even the lynchee agreed that was the correct mechanical call at the time. I (and a couple others) tried to launch other competing wagons but none got off. Pelican was going to be lynched 100% of the time, so why delay? It's not like I ended the day prematurely or anything. Everyone got their say and had their time (and even more that they should) to speak up. Just noise and procrastination is all that was left.In post 141, Day One Wagon wrote:after you hammered town with 100% confidence?I AM THE LAW!-
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It posses me off that you read but do NOT comprehend. I SAID I AM WILLING TO PAY THAT PRICE IF IT TAKES YOU OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND GETS YOU TO FOLLOW MY PLAN. Join the unkillables and then lynch me for it to verify the plan is town-oriented. Then DO NOT LYNCH form that PT (there will be 6 of you) until there;s no one left that isn;t either dead or confirmed.In post 145, ofrhz wrote:It won’t just be scum coming at you for the lynch because two of your townreads in this hood think you’re scummy for doing this
At that point you lynch Bingle first. Then YOU, then Vecna. If the game doesn't end by then (provided Marquis stays caffeine-free) then you can blame me for losing you the game, but I am betting my soul the game would end in a town win if you follow that plan to the T.I AM THE LAW!-
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It's a PT thing, so yes we do.In post 149, ofrhz wrote:Do we even know that we get the reflexive roleblocking vanillaizing modifier if we join their hood? It’d be funny if we spent all this time arguing over something that doesn’t even happenI AM THE LAW!-
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Read the first post I made about it. WE HAD TO ALL AGREE TO IT. WE HAD TO TRUST EACH OTHER AND WORK TOGETHER FROM NOW ON. If only one or two of us joined there it's not that effective.In post 154, Day One Wagon wrote:I'm slightly concerned how easily you dropped your idea about town block in Bingle's hoodI AM THE LAW!-
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Not the strength.. the excuses/reasoning. For example: "Do we even know we get the modifier" she asked already in 67 and D1L responded in the very next post, yet she asks again in 149. Did she not read the first response or did she forget she asked already? And if she did forget then she's not really interested in the answer, but is using the argument against the idea. If she didn't read the answer earlier, why didn't she follow up with the question if she thought it went unanswered?
I mean, go reread her whole ISO and how she's been arguing.. HOW.. with WHAT.. not "how strong" she's arguing against it.I AM THE LAW!-
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@Chen: Another evidence she isn't actually reading this thread. Add it to her previous incidents that lead me to believe she's TOTALLY not reading anything but looking for angles to attack me.In post 165, ofrhz wrote:At this point, I think you’ve resolved to join the other hood. I’m no longer trying to dissuade you but to understand why because I don’t think it holds waterI AM THE LAW!-
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I'd say Town spew considering how Pine reacted to her slip
I'd hate to admit Bingle does look townier now, because of his readlist from D1. He had both FM & chandra next to each other and towards the lower end of it.
Marquis reads fro, D1 look bad in hindsight, but I dunno if it's scum indicative. especially since Pelican also had both flipped scums in his town pile.
I still don't trust Croag ftr, and vecna's procrastination and dance around chandra after the slip doesn't bode well with me.
AND DON'T YOU FORGET ABOUT THE CAFFEINE CLAIMS. I did target ofrhz last night, so unless I was RB'd (which isn't likely considering only 4 caffeinated players) I was not the CPR doctor.
So, basically my top 3 suspects are: Marquis/Vecna/Croag (in no particular order). We should probably have result(s) from the Cops tomorrow though, and those should really help.
I don't think any of you should act tonight either. We don't want top be blocking a Cop (Croag) and the other two suspects of mine are untargetable.I AM THE LAW!-
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Marquis equity for being scum is sky rocketing upon a reread. His responses on pages 1 & 2 to being voted are superficial and the Miller claim is unsettling. Then Fish intervenes to defend him when pops voted him for that claim. (FTR, if it wasn't for the game mechanics I'd also be SRing Pine for the Marquis response to his vote. "Don't do that to me" sounds more like talking to a p after he had called chandra's vote on him stupid, so it's like he was annoyed they wanted to bus him so early, which lead to him claiming Miller. An "untargetable Miller?"
HOWEVER, #47 can come from town. He pointed out 1 scum being in him (the wagon was composed of chandra/Pine/pops), so it;s not conclusive.
Then comes #80. Just before that read list he was calling chandra "not town", then he places her above Fish whom he was calling town.
My guess is he put PP (who had all but claimed a Cop) atop to pocket him. I think Marquis didn;t understand the mechanics of his PT at the start of the game and thought he could be investigated, thus the pocket and the Miller claim.I AM THE LAW!-
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Btw, #114 is inaccurate. I do not "prefer" scum. I just don't care which alignment I roll. (I sometimes hate playing scum after having won as scum because it's much harder to get away with it twice in a row).
#122 tells me FL is TOWN. Fish is calling him a liar for claiming Miller!! That kinda also clears pop to a certain level.
#125: I think I learned not to totally discount a dead townie's PoV. FL is confirmed a Miller, so Marquis is BSing.
I think I'm ruling out pops & FL as scum. They're both Town to me by page 6.I AM THE LAW!-
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I did that before myself as town, so I can understand.In post 182, chennisden wrote:Fcuking Bingle though
That lolhammer actually pisses me off because I wanted to actually sort KagamiI AM THE LAW!-
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You have my permission.In post 183, chennisden wrote:JJD you're my #1 TR
Can I take some credit for you not being mislynched for the postgame flexI AM THE LAW!-
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It's not common to put two of your scum mates next to each other. At least put one at the bottom and one 2-3 notches above.In post 185, chennisden wrote:
Why are you discounting TMIIn post 169, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote: I'd hate to admit Bingle does look townier now, because of his readlist from D1. He had both FM & chandra next to each other and towards the lower end of it.I AM THE LAW!-
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