Mini Normal 2180 | Mafia PT

[petapan]

oh boy

god the roles in normal games are so fucking strange now

[petapan]

i'm not sure i have the will for this but i will try my best

certainly not an easy table to roll mafia on, fair number of strong personalities in the game

[petapan]

so my informed status is a pure red herring i guess?

[petapan]

it literally just tells me about iconeum's role...which we already know

[petapan]

ooo...kay then

[petapan]

be careful with that.

anyway not throwing you under the bus early just argue with me some

[petapan]

be careful with that kind of fake read - i think people are going to be cautious if you show too much reciprocity

[petapan]

in general, although the game is a bit different from when i last played, people will look favorably upon you if you appear to be scumhunting. you'll want to go on the offense, push a case on someone.

[petapan]

also lol damn they're going crazy fighting each other. try to fan the flames a little if you can.

iconeum's not going to post since he's weekend v/la, that's unfortunate

[petapan]

Redacted

[petapan]

i don't know. i was never a

gameplan

guy - my general approach was push wagons on people i thought i could get voted out, nightkill whoever i thought were the strongest town players, and go from there.

but also i usually had teammates that were kind of dead fish lol

[petapan]

you're doing great with the ABR questioning

[petapan]

@mod: Iconeum is V/LA on weekends

i hope he doesn't get replaced for this, would be unfair to get booted from a game he signed up for because it started over the holiday

[petapan]

okay phew

[petapan]

yerah unfortunately it's like i thought, my willpower is shot and this is just not a game i feel at ease posting in. i feel as though i'm overthinking when i actually try to write anything where i'm more comfortable shooting from the hip

i'm still gonna try of course, quitting would be distasteful

just sorry for not being more active

[petapan]

uhh well THAT happened

[petapan]

i immensely hate the idea of lurking to a win as scum, i feel as though there's no glory in it whatsoever. but if people are gonna do that...

[petapan]

tbh if iconeum wasn't scum i'd absolutely shoot him lol

and you did fine, btw - it was very good of you to hammer and not let the wagon disintegrate. there was a risk of town possibly starting to cohere if that didn't die. it's good play as scum to not pass up hammers too often

[petapan]

it will likely be very possible to turn gamma against abr

[petapan]

uhh well THAT happened

D2 is going to be interesting. I don't think we will be able to lurk this out.

we should be planning our re-entry now, i'm going to actually bother to cook up a reads list now that there's no pressure to keep up

[petapan]

was kinda hoping alisae might end up subbing for iconeum oh well

i have never been a person who reads for PRs well, if you got anything out of shoshin's fakeclaiming let me know. i think given the fact me and ico were basically afk it's better to shoot someone off the wagon and let people tear each other apart for the on-wagon votes

[petapan]

i think, i want to try to push abr. i need to challenge myself. no path of least resistance.

[petapan]

most people in this game are too good to soft, they could conceivably crumb but i never bother reading for those either

tbh, if iconeum gets back, i was going to ask if he feels he'd be able to pocket datisi in a hood because if so that's the best use of his JOAT abilities, imo

[petapan]

mmmm there's no

amazing

kills off-wagon

DV used to have a reputation as a good player, doesn't play all that often these days. would feel kind of mean killing him off n1 though. cakez i can probably get on my side, nora is ML-able.

on-wagon baltar isn't a bad kill but i think i kind of want to kill alisae

[petapan]

petapan kills alisae

sorry alisae can't have you shaking up the gamestate, would've loved you in the game under different circumstances

[petapan]

lol that's even meaner
Why do you want to kill Alisae?

replacements can shake up the game with a fresh perspective + people didn't really scumread unwnd (at least in my impression, correct me if i'm wrong). right now people are locked into their biases after that day 1, if someone who wasn't a part of it comes in they might view things with more clear eyes

[petapan]

like to me the absolute best kill is one you think you'll never be able to get a wagon on

[petapan]

which i guess is not necessarily alisae, but. meh.

[petapan]

we...don't have a rolecop. you're a rolestopper, which is some weird role that prevents people from targeting someone with night actions. it is not one that was popular back when i first played.

[petapan]

yeah, abr in most games would be very intimidating but i think i have a chance to play certain people against him tomorrow

maybe it all backfires spectacularly but i want to try it

[petapan]

gamma emerald and cakez can both have presence, but as i have mis-eliminated them as town i feel i can probably do it as mafia. as it is i wanna play them against abr

[petapan]

hi iconeum

i was regarded as a decent scum player once but this game is probably way outside my comfort zone, my energy level for day 1 was way low for unrelated reasons but i was a little frozen. did get a flurry of twilight posts in, looking to hopefully enter day 2 strong and hopefully take control of things

midway is new and has not much confidence but i would like to help him out and show him the ropes, it would bring me joy to see him endgame here

[petapan]

also i was never a bigtime team player so maybe this can be a learning experience for me?? we shall see

[petapan]

don't worry about performance, i'm here to have a good time and (hopefully) get a W but my prime concern is having fun :p

if you wanna have a go at ABR, by all means be my guest

as for MidWay, all i can say is, go for it. Don't be afraid to mess up. There's nothing as funny as learning from the experience.

that's a good attitude to have, i just like winning and don't like cowering in the scum pt (like, uhh...i was doing for day 1). i agree though, let's just try and do what we can and have fun with it.

i'll be preparing for re-entry tonight, want to be going over things before then. we should have a plan for how we want to approach the day. iconeum can probably play the "trying to catch up" card for a a day phase and go under the radar with that.

[petapan]

ehh i might not go against abr tomorrow, he might drive another misyeet still

[petapan]

mmm no i'll go into the day arguing with him and see where it goes

[petapan]

okay, why. pretend i'm town and explain your reasoning to me

[petapan]

lol good for you, don't feel constrained to do everything

exactly

as you would as town, just try to argue in a manner you would as town. hopefully that makes sense. thing about gamma from what i've observed is he can be pretty combustible when pushed so watch out for that. i don't think you're likely to gain traction there, the way he's played this game, but you might get credit for not having a consensus read

[petapan]

Redacted

[petapan]

i also...did not find the energy i'd hoped for to prepare myself for this. i am trying to force it a bit by trying to fit into a mindset that's not typical for me

[petapan]

as town i'd probably wing it but i dunno i feel i need to make up for being absent on day 1

[petapan]

just try to look like ur solving this game

the thing is i don't really do that as town because i don't care to project towniness and so it's not the easiest mold to force myself into

[petapan]

you don't try to solve as town? :p

i don't post in a way that gives that appearance to most people, because i don't care to. but i feel as though acting that way and getting on top of things is better here

If you are uncertain on how to handle a certain topic or player, feel free to ask me some feedback in here. But just don't overly worry about having a gameplan. That's for tryhards :p

well the thing is i'm a big-time tryhard because i feel like i have some pride in my scum play, so a subpar effort is disappointing to me. i realize of course that this is probably a source of my current performance anxiety.


i'll probably just wing it at the last minute like a homework assignment

[petapan]

DV's a good player, former paragon winner, not that you should put a ton of stock in a silly award from a long time ago, but he's a good scumhunter and less likely to be lead astray than most people in this game. he doesn't seem to play that often anymore, and has a more relaxed style. this got him falsely scumread in one of the games i played with him way back when, but people play very differently now than they used to. i don't think he'll be easy to wagon, better off as a NK somewhere down the line

anyway appreciate it, this is fun, really need to get some sleep now

[petapan]

We will need at LEAST 2 nightkills to win, and i'm betting that both ABR and GE are going to be among them. After 2 nightkills, massclaim is going to be a thing and we may not get opportunity to kill these players because of mech play. Killing Ali now means we might lose a shot on either of these players later on. Seeing how stacked our roles are, expect town to have a shitload of pr's as well. This is a 'normal' game after all.

i'm not entirely sure about that, you're loaded but the gating on your abilities means your use is limited and midway's a 1-shot, we effectively only have 3 pr actions all game. i'm not anticipating a strong set of town prs because our utility is kind of limited

i recognize leaving abr alive is a risk but i have a swing for the fences type of play i want to try there. if you're nervous you can change it but right now, abr's scumreads are all wrong because none of us are in the game, effectively

[petapan]

i think, based on certain people in the pls\'s history with abr, it'll be possible to instigate paranoia against him. maybe.

[petapan]

that's a fair point although people did say that was townsided

the one thing, i guess, is that i don't often get PR reads but i would bet anything abr is a vt this game

[petapan]

i think the slot's a good kill because of unwnd's reactions to the fakeclaim shenanigans. i think i'm going to stick with it

[petapan]

if i'm wrong i cede control of the shots to you

[petapan]

powering through on note taking, might not post it in thread but i think i can re-enter confidently and engage people

[petapan]

reading this game, it's not as bad as i thought, but you could stand to sound a bit more natural, still

i don't think i'm taking on abr, unless the wind blows that way, he might still be useful. there are people i'd feel better pushing

[petapan]

1. oh man (why would he FN a 0 poster?)

2. fuck. datisi ascetic? i cannot think of an earthly reason anyone would RB ico

[petapan]

we gotta activated informed n2 i think, this is significant

[petapan]

ahhh well thats a fail on my part, vt kill

it's ok though i think we'll have info for nights after this

[petapan]

LOL okay i have no regrets on not killing ABR

[petapan]

plans shmans lol, just have to live in the moment

midway, you're in a tight spot, i think you shouldn't be trying to add to the momentum on iv. maybe act like you're reconsidering him based on his claim?

[petapan]

how do i get townread i've done nothing

do i exude deepwolf musk

[petapan]

wtf is going on

[petapan]

midway, depending on what cakez claims, you MAY want to counterclaim a role. i think that is the only way you survive this day. some sort of protective is probably for the best. let's start planning it now

[petapan]

Case point:

this is the setup of the previous game Gypyx modded

Spoiler:

Role list :

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Vengeful
Town Novice 3-Shot Vigilante
Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Combined Vanilla Cop Mailman
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
Mafia Odd-night Complex Traffic Analyst
Mafia Informed (there is an Ascetic player in the game)
Mafia goon

yes that's right

a goon, informed of there being 1 ascetic, and a TA

vs 1x BP vengefull, 3x vig, doc neighbour, role watcher neighbour, and a vanilla cop mailman

I reckon we have *more* power then that setup, so i'm deducting town has *more* power then that setup

taking a note of the previous setup, gypyx loves his modifiers

[petapan]

you will claim some form of doctor. say that shoshin claiming doctor was why you were okay with voting him. throw two modifiers on there. non-consecutive 2-shot doctor, maybe?

don't do it now, feel it out, see what cakez claims, if people start to vote you then claim.

okay, you voted shoshin before she claimed, that defense won't work but w/e

[petapan]

this is just mafia as an idler game, it plays itself

[petapan]

you surviving is now incredibly mission critical, we have a use for your rolestop

[petapan]

you can potentially block an investigation with it if it's planned ahead of time

anyway
abr tracker/md
cakez detective
iv hider
vp FN
datisi ascetic??? protective??

that's got to be all the town power roles

[petapan]

make it novice non-consecutive 2-shot doctor just for kicks

[petapan]

iv is still yeetable after you flip, can argue he was some kind of proscum role. you should move into full-on defending him, midway

[petapan]

believe it or not i've played in a more bullshit setup back in the old days so not even that vexed by this

[petapan]

nah i'm saying i've played one that was far more unfair to scum so i'm not upset.

look at this:
8x VT
bodyguard
jailkeeper
gunsmith
delayed day killer
2x masons

3x mafia goon
mafia role cop

[petapan]

Oh yeah, that's pretty weak

it was so bad my remainning teammate assumed there had to be a traitor for the sake of balance

[petapan]

anyway ico, midway, if you guys sheep abr i think we can get an elim on cakez.

[petapan]

for all the roles being outed to us there is an opportunity to plot a path to victory from here. i will sit down to do that. the important thing here starting out is taking advantage of abr's madness and get a misyeet today before the PRs become unkillable

[petapan]

mwb you doing all right? let me know where you're at. can give pointers on stuff to say.

[petapan]

Gamma Emerald
SirCakez
DeasVail
Noraa
innocentvillager


3 MLs among these 5 people. noraa is doable, can probably get DV, cakez today is the critical vote i think - he survives, path to victory becomes hard

[petapan]

Redacted

[petapan]

and when i question you, when i push on scumreading you, you should bring up specifically how i recently mislimmed you in smoke-filled after townreading you. insult my ability to read you a little bit.

[petapan]

it can be good to bring up people's past failings as an appeal to emotions. even though it's causing noraa and gamma to tear each other's throats out right now.

[petapan]

i know you said that but the way the dominos have fallen in order for us is...impressive

[petapan]

i should probably read game first lol

spicey things happening?

i'd summarize but just read it yourself, i think we know every power role now

[petapan]

datisi is heavily hinting at being Informed in some capacity, btw

[petapan]

shoulda shot ABR and i'm using my 'i told you so' at this point :p

nahhhh this is great, cakez getting outed is a boon to us, and abr probably pushes another misyeet

i will take my lumps on the fact that i can't do these magic "pr reads" for shit, though

[petapan]

we gotta activated informed n2 i think, this is significant

i doubt that actually

okay TO BE FAIR i posted that before everyone got outed

[petapan]

now that they are the alien is the obvious choice

what are you going to claim?

[petapan]

big if true

[petapan]

midway, depending on what cakez claims, you MAY want to counterclaim a role. i think that is the only way you survive this day. some sort of protective is probably for the best. let's start planning it now

i STRONGLY disagree with this at this point

if this came to massclaim right now, i think vt is a good claim for the both of you

sorry, this was in the context of the possibility that wagon pressure might have shifted to him at the time - obviously the landscape has shifted dramatically. i agree with what you are saying here

[petapan]

i am okay with dragging this out a little, letting people fight, and riding the abr wave eventually

i want to, at some point today, push midway, have him argue with me, and hopefully give me an excuse to back off him. the goal is making him look more town via theatrics

[petapan]

this is obviously a game full of mech fuckery, and for him to be scum here there'd have to be some galaxy brain mech wizard scumbuddy who's figured out enough about the setup to tell ico what and how to soft/crumb and then what to claim later *and* have it not collide with whatever other roles claim by that point (and i don't think i see anyone on that list anywayyyy)

also lmao at this post

[petapan]

if they're coordinating ABR on IV, we can use either the rolecop or watcher to generate a false positive, right? a bit of a risk in the sense we don't know which end he'll target, but could produce easy results. the safe route would be alienate him tonight and rolestop n3 preventing any possibility of a result.

[petapan]

also your posts were pretty good mwb, they had a little snap to them, i felt

[petapan]

any mechanically-minded player could see a hole in this plan so big you could fly a 747 through it, and i'd sure as hell be pointing it out if i was town, but i'm not, so lol

for the record this result would only be reliable IF abr is town AND iv is town AND no scum pr interferes with the action, something that requires a hell of a lot of assumptions which are both unlikely to all be true and very hard to verify. it's not worth it at all.

[petapan]

you're going to get yourself in trouble. see how i'm pressing you for specifics? you need to have an answer ready

[petapan]

if you are having trouble coming up with things, go through my iso, find places i've given opinions, and say you agree with those things, maybe add a sentence or two explaining

[petapan]

if you double down on non-responsive it will make you look bad. remember, i'm on your team, so just stay calm. just respond and try to explain yourself as best as you can. keep talking, dig deep. try to think of how you'd read stuff as town.

really, to me winning this is secondary to trying show you ways you can improve, but to do so, you're going to need to face some challenges.

[petapan]

I know doubling down is going to look bad, but it would probably be what I would do as town if I didn't really have reasons.

lol, you wouldn't think "I don't really have a good reason for thinking this, maybe i should reconsider?"

[petapan]

hell, you know what?

just say you looked back and realized you don't have a good reason to townread me


i don't know if this will work. there is a chance it could backfire. but people might give you points for "honesty"

[petapan]

this is obviously a game full of mech fuckery, and for him to be scum here there'd have to be some galaxy brain mech wizard scumbuddy who's figured out enough about the setup to tell ico what and how to soft/crumb and then what to claim later *and* have it not collide with whatever other roles claim by that point (and i don't think i see anyone on that list anywayyyy)

also lmao at this post

hey i have a reputation ok

less about you and more just, lol we know the fn

although it occurred to me that the fn visit might have also roleblocked you (not out of the question given these roles) and that's why there's no hood

[petapan]

noraa actually ragequit the game? ffs. i don't want a replacement coming in and screwing everything up

[petapan]

true true

but i feel that if i hammer at this point

i think we kinda need to kill datisi actually

i think that's the right kill yes

[petapan]

like

random thought about the night kill

i'm gonna cry if datisi is bulletproof ascetic lol

entirely possible, too

[petapan]

So normally disloyal modifier gives “no result” when used on opposite alignment, but since IV is a hider he doesn’t actually receive a result. Ok, maybe there is no way to false guilty someone

he's a motion detector on even nights, which means that he would get a positive result if his target visited someone, or if someone visited his target. this means in theory it is possible for a visiting role to also visit his target, producing a false positive result. however, we don't know if he'd try to visit iv or dv and it's not really worth the risk when we can just alienate him and avoid any result

[petapan]

just for the record, i think you guys are mixing things up?

ABR is an even night motion detector
IV is a disloyal hider

so in order to get a guilty, ABR has to motion detect IV, who has to target either of us, and nobody can interfere with either of their actions. Same goes with his odd night tracker

am I wrong in seeing it like this?

he'd also get a 'guilty' if he targeted either of you and iv targeted you, since he'd be visiting you. Motion_Detector gets a positive both if their target visited someone, or if someone visited their target

however, this is all a moot point, as we're alienating him so he won't get a result

[petapan]

I'm still thinking both of you are better off claiming VT.

agreed, that is what both of us should claim, you're locked into a pr claim. too many PRs would make our lives much harder

also my dudes, i'll be in weekend vla when day starts

so just chillax ok

don't stress out

i'll be lurking anyway and i'll step in if it's needed

i think we are doing fine, there's a couple strong potential misflips out there for day 3

@midway, if you do somehow end up being the day 3 exe, that's fine and don't feel bad about it. If things start to go real south on you we might bus you.

agreed, we are in a very good position - there are several viable mischops on the table, vp is going to claim a confirmed town pr and is hard pocketed by you, you should be able to move things the way you want tomorrow

i would personally love to get midway to endgame, my first game with him he got called out by pretty much everyone and broke my heart with his selfhammer, i want to help him improve if i can. it might not happen but it'd be fun if it did.

[petapan]

oh yeah, iv's role actually does almost literally nothing without interaction with another PR. the only thing it actually CAN do on its own is prevent a nightkill if he visited one of us the night we tried to kill him, but even then it's not like it'd be a confirmed guilty since you can't know if it was a blocked kill or a nokill, and we have no reason to shoot him anyway

[petapan]

the only real issue i see here is lylo

who the fuck can we kill in lylo for the win

ABR? They're a beast and aren't going down without a kick and a scream. Rough.
GE? If they get their feet in this game, a force to be reckoned with. For now, not really a threat (yet).
IV? Probably our best bet, if we can get enough town power roles flippped and go 'hur dur scummy butt'

gamma's choppable. he's also kind of faded from the game. we probably NK ABR after tomorrow once he's outlived his usefulness.

[petapan]

your gif game is excellent

[petapan]

well, if there's any time to cut loose, it's now! get the good vibes going

[petapan]

looking at DV's reads...

Also pretending to have notes in 1055 is just not the kind of fake effort I expect from petapan as mafia.

how dare you, sir. not only do i put in that level of fake effort, they're REAL notes. (admittedly, they are incomplete. luckily no one has called me on this)

[petapan]

also, me talking about things and not actually doing them is like...my biggest scumtell.

[petapan]

in this game, i mean. i can procrastinate a lot but here the lag gap for content is because i'm not really scumhunting in my head

[petapan]

i don't know that you'll face more heat than anyone, but it's good to have answers prepared in your head for questions you might be asked

[petapan]

both vpb and dv is a lot, and the way the claims will come out will make that a problem. first off, are you gonna try to argue vpb and dv are teamed with the way they were taking potshots at each other at the end of the day? second of all, vpb is probably claiming and then you won't be able to scumread him.

why not just stick with your gamma emerald read? people will respect it more if you show some consistency. you don't have to change constantly. as it is, if VP is going to tunnel deas, you probably don't need to hop on right away. that might scare people off. if you defend dv at first, at least, that might make people consider voting him. you can always readflip and hammer him if he gets close to being voted.

scumreading ico might be good as a way to distance but you have to be able to justify it in a way that sounds good

[petapan]

and i think your primary attention should still be on gamma. scumreading ico to flip and vote out dv might look bad later, actually

[petapan]

lol oh my god we are the luckiest bastards on the planet, datisi wasn't ascetic but was a pr anyway. vpb is definitely a roleblocker too and we literally by random chance happened into the exact selection of kills tht avoided any of us being outed by town PRs

[petapan]

do you understand how fucking lucky we are???? it's like we're playing blackjack and keep hitting and always land on 21. we're hitting on 19 and getting a 2. it should not be possible to have this much luck. oh my god

[petapan]

also midway i am being entirely sincere when i think your posts in the game today are much better, you're doing great work

[petapan]

Redacted

[petapan]

anyway it's going great i can hardly contain my excitement

i think an abr yeet might really be on the table

[petapan]

song for that gif



don't mind me just reliving old man memes in here

[petapan]

yeah, obv he dies. midway rolestops me to prevent a block, and i kill him. i think there's basically no chance he'd target me again, but we can 100% guarantee he gets killed this way.


the troll option would be to nokill and frame his target as the killer, and we get an easy elimination tomorrow. biggest risk being him keeping midway as a pocket scumread and he gets eliminated because of it. people might end up slowing the game down with wanting to be careful, too.

i don't think we need the style points, though, and i think we can very likely win in 7p. i need the practice for playing at ELo as mafia, anyway

[petapan]

why is innocentvillager always so smart and reasonable

it's so annoying to deal with!!

[petapan]

he's like "why can't they bot be town" and then abr just commits suicide

[petapan]

also

I also figured if there was a sleeper scum, I should try to hit that person because they'd be the one to NK.

haaaaaaa oh god we really dodged a bullet there

[petapan]

A+ response to me

[petapan]

we are already decently dissociated in people's minds, even in the scenario that one of us gets voted out tomorrow i think the other one is pretty much guaranteed to endgame

[petapan]

lol hadn't actually seen you calling for me to disengage, but your response was fine anyway imo

[petapan]

i just checked and both of you have only been voted once, and i haven't been voted all game (and gamma's vote on ico was an attention-getting vote, not a real one, as far as i'm concerned)

if we finish with no more votes on us that has to be some sort of record

[petapan]

i'm gonna hit iv for TMI on that abr flipping town post

i think we just kill VP tonight, there's so much conflict between gamma/dunn/dv that we don't need a potential fake guilty to win

[petapan]

he's at E-1 but i am starting to worry people will second-guess the vote

[petapan]

okay he's back there now without me lol

will hammer later

[petapan]

alternately midwaybear can get his hands dirty, his call

[petapan]

that's E-1, I unvoted when i verified ABR didn't know the role

by my count: Gamma (2256), Ico (2316), dunn (2319), VPB (2384)

[petapan]

if you do, make it look good, but otherwise i'll hammer in a few hours. you could potentially make yourself look bad from doing it where i think i'm pretty safe anyway

[petapan]

ah, missed the opportunity, shit

[petapan]

if you have a chance, wait until abr isn't around to post. in your hammer post you an say something about how he's scum trying to talk us into another day when he'll just claim to be blocked again

[petapan]

ah, hell, they're eating out of our hands, let them go and try, don't hammer tonight, i'll do it in the morning


in fact you should vote DV with them

[petapan]

I really want to win because Shoshin was so rude and annoying to everyone in this town so it would be a big fuck you to her to turn this around, and I want to show Sircakez how it's done and to NEVER GIVE UP AS TOWN, to go hard and fight back until the last day, the last vote, the last second if you have to.

WE NEED TO WIN BECAUSE OF OUR PAST MISTAKES

quote of sadness


i will wait until the morning and hammer

[petapan]

dear ABR: you are already swept

[petapan]

we're not, he's at E-1, midway is just running with the counterwagon on a townie to go with the flow

i'm gonna hammer him when he won't be around to twilightpost

[petapan]

i have the perfect hammer excuse prepared don't worry

[petapan]

oh dunn switched, figured he'd be on at these hours, but it's fine, it's T/T wagons, we can't lose, it's playing with house money

think i'm gonna wait for vpb to come back

[petapan]

good vp is gonna give me hammer

[petapan]

this is too funny oh my god

[petapan]

game plays itself

hammering abr in a few hours

[petapan]

i wonder how many of them are going to be blown away by abr's flip lol

[petapan]

LMAO

[petapan]

just keeping my hands clean the whole way

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game plays itself, ico

if only i could see the look on people's faces after that flip

i will avoid premature celebrations but we have entangled them in so much conflict and chaos at this point that it is basically impossible for anyone to come close to getting the team, even if they suspect one of us

so long as we are careful to avoid sloppy mistakes, we should win

[petapan]

going after iv as having TMI on abr is likely a good move, as i said

plan out whatever solves we'll be pushing tomorrow

[petapan]

i'm extremely paranoid, because in the last gypyx game i played, scum was literally in this position and a funky role blew it out of the water for them

i mean, i agree this should be a done deal but i wanna be diligent and see this thru so we can actually celebrate

oh i'm well aware, i saw that game, i am taking NOTHING for granted

like there SHOULDN'T be any other hidden roles but we shouldn't even out ourselves with a quickhammer just to be safe

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but regardless of the outcome (though hopefully a win) you guys are my favorite teammates ever and i am extremely proud of both of you

[petapan]

was gonna post some party music but on second thought, here's some Radiohead, dedicated to the town:

You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself
Just you, you and no one else
You do it to yourself
You do it to yourself

[petapan]

i must mention now that pooky raised the idea of a game where players can only post GIFs, and i was thinking of hosting it after this game ends...Iconeum, would you be interested in such a game? i feel your gif skills would be an excellent addition

[petapan]

midway rolestops peta

peta kills VP Baltar

[petapan]

imo midway should go with the narrative of all scum on abr, gamma/dv/ico. that seems a reasonable path for him to take. i'll go with something in between.

[petapan]

very funny to look back on day 1 and me being unmotivated and afraid to post lol

feels GOOD to get back in the groove

midaybear, if you liked any of the advice/coaching i gave you, you should copy it and save it somewhere - i'll probably be redacting a bunch of it when this game is over. i don't mind people knowing how i think as mafia but it wouldn't be fair to leave an open playbook to read you by.

[petapan]

i have more posts in the scum pt than the main thread lmao

[petapan]

i normally don't care about redactions either, yeah. i just don't want people using this to catch mwb in the future, lol.

Gif game

Plz

Yes

awesome, i'll send you a PM for when i start taking pre-/ins

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F

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he defended abr yesterday in a way that seemed like he knew he was going to flip town, when there was little reason to think so

i'm going to go in defending dv for the sake of splitting the game up

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i'm not sure i have the will for this but i will try my best

certainly not an easy table to roll mafia on, fair number of strong personalities in the game

its funny, my fear was wrong but the scouting of the table was a spot-on assessment - it's just that we let the strong personalities tear each other apart

[petapan]

coordinating a hammer might be tough given time zones. what times are people going to be around?

[petapan]

all right fair enough, might as well take this to the wire, i do think some of the town players could get impulsive though

my main approach tomorrow is going to be going in defending DV

[petapan]

peta if you're scum congrats, you've won already

if i could tell you the number of times i've heard that one...

[petapan]

midway, you should probably be claiming the visit from vp baltar

[petapan]

i will pressure iv so that he wants to win me over more

[petapan]

string things along a few days, probably, then turn the heat on gamma. i think i'm in a position of being townread enough where if i vote first, someone will follow

[petapan]

i guess so, huh, well, probably doesn't matter too much

[petapan]

might need to bus unfortunately. tide may be turning there. do not want to be late on that vote. i wanted the sweep but can't get caught getting greedy

[petapan]

you flip rolestopper and we turn it against iv maybe hopefully idk. but we win today or tomorrow, this isn't a game where i can go to f3

[petapan]

no okay i need to be more composed and not get nervous right away, but midway, your posts today are making me sweat, there's too much empty aggression without an appearance of solving

[petapan]

i think i can tie you to gamma no matter what it's just a matter of who gets voted today

[petapan]

at some point, you should AtE me a little bit, say something to the effect of "please don't mess up on me again"

[petapan]

lol i am a constant sweaty wreck at ELo

i guess my concern is, as always, a longer time means more chances for someone figure things out

i think i can work my way to gamma vote by the time you get back, maybe, possibly

[petapan]

hm, you think so? all right. i guess i'll hold out and stall

[petapan]

yeah you're right, i'm just terrible at waiting and dealing with the stress lmao. going to be a long week.

[petapan]

i know it is tactically advantageous for us but i am losing my mind over the game dying on the vine like this

i need to not be bored

[petapan]

loll

going great, i tell ya

how are you guys doing?

[petapan]

at this point, i am not sure you should be saying much of anything. i could point you in the direction of what to argue but the overall deadness of the thread is to our benefit and i don't want you to draw attention to yourself. your best bet is to hang back and let us initiate things, i think

[petapan]

i'm online for a few minutes but am probably driving to work and so will be unavailable for a few hours

[petapan]

i think i can bait IV into a vote, absolutely do not vote until you have a chance to hammer

[petapan]

i will be voting at :00

[petapan]

eh, maybe not. but keep lurking regardless. do not vote until you have a shot to hammer

[petapan]

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oh gamma crossvoted dunn we're safe

[petapan]

i feel like unless you two can sync up on a time ico should just vote dunn

[petapan]

i think the cross is locked in and as long as we play it that way we can't lose

[petapan]

i am going to sleep now but will be up in a few hours, midway you can let me know when you're online

[petapan]

i'm quite aware, just waiting for midway to wake up

but again, we are fine so long as this remains the cross

[petapan]

you two hop on gamma?

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anyway...

midwaybear, being on a team with you has been a dream of mine since you broke my heart with that selfhammer in FGO. I wanted to see if I could show you the ropes, give you some confidence. Contrary to what you may think, I believe you're already a fairly good town player. You've gone from being elimbait to someone who gets townread fairly easily, often has decent reads, and works well with others. You're not a big time leader, but that's okay, the game needs players who are willing to support people rather than everyone trying to lead. I think as you better learn to emulate your townplay as scum you're going to be very good at it and catch a lot of people off guard. All those townreads you got from people in this game? You did that, not me. Of course, there will no doubt be people in postgame who scream that you were obvious, but you know what? It doesn't matter. Even if people know you're scum, if they can't get you voted out it doesn't matter. And you've been voted exactly once this game. That's always the key: don't let people accusing you of being scum make you nervous.



Iconeum, you were awesome this game. You reminded me of the important thing, which is to have fun. That helped get my head back into the game. It showed me the importance supporting each other and helping your teammates stay motivated. And then your entry into the game was pretty much perfect, getting you instantly townread and taking a town that was already fighting against each other and ensuring they ripped each other apart. We were lucky as hell this game, for sure, but the way you played that pretty much set us on the path to victory, job well done.


In the past I never had great teammates and I usually felt obligated to bus, getting to the finish line with both of you has been an awesome experience.

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i had that pretyped before ELo but didn't want to post it for ear of jinxing it, and they came a lot closer to figuring it out than it seemed at the time

also if this somehow goes south because gypyx oh well lol

[petapan]

yeah how do i redact stuff, i'm still a noob when it comes to the PT thing

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redactions on #25, #93, #157, #282