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Post #11 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 am
Postby Lukewarm »
Maria, I think I am the reason tsq shot you
He asked the council who to kill, and I said that of the people who had been talked about killing, I was against furtive
But would be okay with any of Dwlee, Guilty Lion, or you, but in Dwlee>Gl>Maria order.
But I think tsq wanted to shoot you and was just looking for someone you say it was okay, and since you made my list he went for it. (Despite you being the lowest of my list)
But no one else in the council said your name at all lol
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Post #17 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:43 am
Postby Lukewarm »
Also, I feel like the power of my role was to police the council.
Like, everyone else kept saying "tracker trying to find the person doing the night kill is SO unlikely"
But that is not how I would have used it at all. The point, I think, is to check council members to see if they are using any of their sneaky sneaky bonus scum abilities.
I said that I would have like datisi+junko+ me to get paid, and my plan was to track datisi or junko
But also, I never said that out loud, and also did not get funded, and also got night killed, so... lol
He asked the council who to kill, and I said that of the people who had been talked about killing, I was against furtive
But would be okay with any of Dwlee, Guilty Lion, or you, but in Dwlee>Gl>Maria order.
But I think tsq wanted to shoot you and was just looking for someone you say it was okay, and since you made my list he went for it. (Despite you being the lowest of my list)
But no one else in the council said your name at all lol
I can't believe you let your paranoia of me sink in deep. i was able to find you so easily, boohoo luke why don't you trust me~
To be clear. You were not my first OR second choice.
Like, I looked at a list of "the people who got wagoned" and said dwlee>gl>maria>>>furtive
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Post #20 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:08 am
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 17, Lukewarm wrote:Also, I feel like the power of my role was to police the council.
Like, everyone else kept saying "tracker trying to find the person doing the night kill is SO unlikely"
But that is not how I would have used it at all. The point, I think, is to check council members to see if they are using any of their sneaky sneaky bonus scum abilities.
I said that I would have like datisi+junko+ me to get paid, and my plan was to track datisi or junko
But also, I never said that out loud, and also did not get funded, and also got night killed, so... lol
Just got to the main thread, and see that gl also came to this conclusion lol
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Post #28 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:06 am
Postby Lukewarm »
So, I think if "scum killed because tracker" then it points most to Datisi, I feel like it was pretty easy to put together that if I was funded the same day he was funded, I was tracking him. And presumably, what ever PR he gained as scum, the ideal target would not be an ideal cop target too.
But also, I feel like any tracker could figure out that that was the best use of it? So it seems pointless to kill me to stop that unless there was actually a good chance the tracker would then go to scum. This feels like it points to Andres, because him getting the PR of the first concil death seems the natural answer.
But I also think that Andres is town.
So, makes me think that I was not killed on the basis of being a tracker.
In post 29, Lukewarm wrote:Drapion wildly does not understand the mechanics of this game lmao
Tbf si not easy to remember every detail
It is less that he doesn't understand, as much as he is confidently declaring that everyone should follow his plan
While his plan is... not remotely valid at any step lmao
That sounds inline from what I remember of his usual play.
True.
I was actually going back to thinking he was scum, until he presented his Full Proof Plan™ on what to do with the council positions, where I question if scum would actually take the time to make it make a little sense lol
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Post #40 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:57 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 36, JunkoChan wrote:@Luke for obvious reasons I can't answer but do you think my slot was Town or scum?
Same question for RH9
I was leaning pretty hard to you being town at the time I flipped, but some of your posts today actually had me second guessing it.
Uncertain would be my real answer.
If I had to do a definitive answer, I would probably default back to town because the posts that bothered me could have been frustration given your rep out
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Post #50 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:31 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 1227, furtiveglance wrote:From 3: 'The Master of Coin is responsible for managing the financial affairs of the Kingdom.
They hold the following abilities:
Keeper of the Purse
Each day you may make investment decisions on behalf of the Crown
You alone will know the contents of the Treasury and the incomes and debts of the Crown.
During each day you may distribute gold to members of the small council for their activities on the following night.'
This says nothing of a stock-market style minigame for the Master of Coin to play, it sounds like a lie to me. Yes, you make 'investment decisions', but this is surely just referring to the the last quoted line - giving various roles money.
Does he not see that is says
You alone will know the contents of the Treasury and the incomes and debts of the Crown.
Because, that sure does look to me like it could entail a secret "stock-market style minigame for the Master of Coin to play"
In post 1227, furtiveglance wrote:From 3: 'The Master of Coin is responsible for managing the financial affairs of the Kingdom.
They hold the following abilities:
Keeper of the Purse
Each day you may make investment decisions on behalf of the Crown
You alone will know the contents of the Treasury and the incomes and debts of the Crown.
During each day you may distribute gold to members of the small council for their activities on the following night.'
This says nothing of a stock-market style minigame for the Master of Coin to play, it sounds like a lie to me. Yes, you make 'investment decisions', but this is surely just referring to the the last quoted line - giving various roles money.
Does he not see that is says
You alone will know the contents of the Treasury and the incomes and debts of the Crown.
Because, that sure does look to me like it could entail a secret "stock-market style minigame for the Master of Coin to play"
I was lowkey expecting secret ways for the master of coin to spend money, not included in the role pm, because of that line. It was the main reason that I said that it was one of the most important roles to ensure landed in the hands of town
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Post #57 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:26 am
Postby Lukewarm »
It seems really performative, because it seems really hard to swallow him being upset that "I did not get the king or council I wanted" seeing as how, it was largely all his town reads... Like..
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Post #84 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:02 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 2121, Andresvmb wrote:And yes, I have submitted some provisional appointments to the Kingsguard. They are not final, and it wasn’t easy, but they at least won’t be randomized.
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Post #91 (isolation #25) » Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:01 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
I am also going to say town, for a similar reason. It just seems like if Dwlee is scum, then the scum team is wholly ineffective, given there are currently 5 scum alive, if they cannot get a single other wagon to take off past the "lurker = scum" wagon.
(I also feel like I am less likely to be shot in a scum!dwlee world ? Maybe ? )
Dwlee has also been stubbornly committed to that Datisi vote in a way that feels more like it is believed then like they believe it rather then they think it has a chance at saving them .
Like *maybe* this is just antispew, but if that is the case then it feels like scum are just pissing away the advantage they gained with the TSQ execute.
Basically, in order for dwlee to be scum, I just have to admit that the entire scum team is all kind of bad at influencing game states.
On their own, dwlee's day 1 play had me at a scum lean, but it does not feel like they have a team around them.
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Post #92 (isolation #26) » Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:04 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
That being said, if I was in the game I would not be too mad at a dwlee elim. IF they are scum, great. But even if they are town, the suspicions on their slot were not going to just go away, and people will be forced to reevaluate on the flip. It will stop letting Datisi/GL/Baltar hide behind that read.
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Post #108 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:02 am
Postby Lukewarm »
There is a lot of what math is saying that I don't agree with, but like
In post 2956, MathBlade wrote:What stops day three from being a repeat of day two which was a repeat of day one.
Yeah. If dwlee is not killed, regardless if their alignment, it seems like this is going to just keep happening because dwlee is not suddenly lying becoming townier
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Post #131 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:33 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 1830, GuiltyLion wrote:it's not simply that she's wrong, it's that she's obstinately stuck to pro-scum beliefs and reads in the face of multiple different players trying to engage with her on virtually every front, past the point of plausibility
I mean, her final conclusion was : we don't kill this scum player, and instead everyone should town lock them, and also I am going to "mechanically" "clear" them
So like, the final answer seemed pretty pro scum to me lol
In post 1830, GuiltyLion wrote:it's not simply that she's wrong, it's that she's obstinately stuck to pro-scum beliefs and reads in the face of multiple different players trying to engage with her on virtually every front, past the point of plausibility
Somebody needs to read her day 1 in The Thing lol
Why are you allowed to read that and I can't sadge
Pooky likes me more <3
Serious answer, but also a wild guess, is because I died and you repped out? Idk
In post 7, Lukewarm wrote:It's kind of funny that I went from alive in 4 games at the start of Day 1 to alive in 0 games at the start of day 2 tho lol
Did you have money when you died?
And lol at caffeine since not allowed to have caffeine or possible major heart issues.
No, I was not given money on night 1.
That was a joke made by firebringer, and also something that I think that entire idea of him putting "extra gold" could have fairly easily been dismissed by the fact that we get gold at the start of the night. If I had gotten more then the base amount for a track, then I would have outed it during the night.
So, like, at most he could have buried 500 gold with me, by funding my track.
But even then, if you go back and look at what Firebringer said to do wrt to the gold, he actually said that we should confirm our gold amounts 5 secs before the night ended. I just... didn't do that lmao.
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Post #153 (isolation #34) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:08 am
Postby Lukewarm »
Okay, but regardless of what Firebringer joked about, there was a 0% chance that I was given more then 500 gold.
And even giving me 500 gold would have been dangerous, because if I had confirmed 500 gold just before the night ended, then he would have been facing questions about funding me over the cop.
I was railing hard against the Mastina scum assumption and when the council should be overthrown on my death that’s not as viable.
I suspect investments is code for “give scum team tons of shit”
Okay, but I don't think that that makes her a first priority cop check. Like, he was in the council chat where *he* was the one who vrought up the fact that tsq is acetic right now, and people were discussing the possibility of a dead tsq over the night phase via overthrow. And he didn't think it worth getting a check on the next in line to be king? When that very person is in his strongest scum reads?
Mastin feels much more like the platonic ideal for scum to choose to clear. Just scum read enough for it to be plausible, while not someone you fear giving leader ship reigns too.
I was railing hard against the Mastina scum assumption and when the council should be overthrown on my death that’s not as viable.
I suspect investments is code for “give scum team tons of shit”
Okay, but I don't think that that makes her a first priority cop check. Like, he was in the council chat where *he* was the one who vrought up the fact that tsq is acetic right now, and people were discussing the possibility of a dead tsq over the night phase via overthrow. And he didn't think it worth getting a check on the next in line to be king? When that very person is in his strongest scum reads?
Mastin feels much more like the platonic ideal for scum to choose to clear. Just scum read enough for it to be plausible, while not someone you fear giving leader ship reigns too.
Noted but I think not fearing townMastina in charge is a mistake scum make…a lot.
Start of game her reads usually well suck.
But after that it’s like eventually when that trigger is found that caused her to be wrong she gets right of town.
Obviously if you are comparing clearing mastina vs not clearing mastina, not clearing mastina is worse.
But if you are scum in Datisis position, you basically have to clear *someone*
In post 200, Lukewarm wrote:They can do public votes and hidden votes. Which ever is submitted last is used.
So scum can easily lie about their votes
Oh that sucks…
I think it is what makes the most sense designwise, if scum have to true claim their overthrow vote every night, then there is not even that much incentive for the commander to aim for a town guard
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Post #239 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:33 am
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 237, MathBlade wrote:I might be wrong on where but there should be an audit. Fire was against claiming past actions with money.
This part literally isn't true.
Furtive said this was the case.
But fire immediately claimed all money expenditures at the start if day 2. He just did it in the council thread instead of the main thread (so furtive did not see it).
With the thread access I have, I feel like he has been pretty direct with where he has put money each night.
The funny thing is that I have been lightly leaning scum on fire this whole game, but this entire angle was invented by furtive taking a joke post by fire as 100% serious, and then being mad that fire claimed the info in the council vs the main thread.
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Post #240 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:37 am
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 390, Firebringer wrote:well, i failed in posting what i did last night. But better late than never:
I only gave night action to junko.
Spent almost everything else on investments.
Good news is, we will have more actions tonight.
Before anyone asks, i considered giving cop to dats but i thought cop results are better in later game than early game. So wanted to build a war chest for us now and hopefully junko gets a save to buy more time.
I think this was his first post in any thread after day 2 started
i thought scum if in here would go for dats thinking i wouldn't pay for the doc because i said this.
In post 406, Firebringer wrote:for ref i could not afford investments + dats power. I could do investments + either junko/andante/luke. Andante never said how much her ability costs but i suspect it was 500
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Post #261 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:11 am
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 259, RH9 wrote:I just realised that scum has been NKing every single Town Tracker.
One would think that they're trying to get a scum Tracker.
Maybe.
I thought it meant that they did not want the tracker to be able to track a scum pr on the council. But trying to get the tracker in the hands of a scum on the council would male sense too.
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Post #305 (isolation #54) » Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:11 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
In post 298, Andante wrote:ok wait, TSQ is allowed to go "enchant is town cause towny vibes" but I replace out and that instantly made me a SR in TSQ's books? he was calling me town all game... yet I wasn't allowed to be King... This HAS to be a scum king, like, why hasn't he been overthrown if he's town? these people are wild
He was starting to scum read you right before your rep out, because it seemed (?) like he misread one of your posts.
Now that a number has been said, I think fire should claim all gold numbers. Starting numbers, how much spent on investments each night, how much of a return they got.
Like, now that a hard number has been said, the big secret it kind if out imo, and he should out the whole accounting log to be scrutinized
In post 310, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Imagine if there were no investments and he just made it all up to deny this town cop checks
you are evil bear
i mean he claimed n1 that he bought some brothels and night two that he bought some hookers. and now hes saying theres a wizard with a magic box. its p lit.
Seeing as how this is *not* what fire claimed, it does feel like what the mod gave fire as options and what options fire has told us do not align
(He claimed he got animals AND brothels both night 1, and claimed he was offered horse shoes for those horses and/or slaves for the brothels on night 2 (and he bought neither))
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Post #373 (isolation #59) » Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:28 pm
Postby Lukewarm »
@pooky
Can I request a reveal of what the scum team gets out of each council role in here? Am curious, but also aware it doesn't flip, and don't *really* want to wait til the end of the entire game?