HMS Mutiny - Mod PT

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Ok cool. I'll try to find some piratey pictures

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Oh great I was clearly not in the right state of mind when I said that the Role PM tenses seemed inconsistent, this seems fine. Great!

Also in general thank you so much for dragging me into this madness, and for being so reliable throughout and doing all this work. I'm looking forward to the game starting, too.

No you were right they were inconsistent in places but I fixed it. Are you ok to transfer the role PMs across? I'm happy with them now.

I'm also excited! I'm currently using Meme Generator as Photoshop for a really blursed image

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Oh ok I can add Flavour into the flip versions also. Shall we have an image in there as well? I always think it's more fun that way, but I'll need a bit of time.

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The middle of the image is too empty lol

I'm toying with a subtitle - Curse of the Black Spot or something to rip off Pirates of the Caribbean Curse of the Black Pearl

super homemade with the watermark in the corner

wow this is fun

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If you can think of a less bad name for the Mutineer PT than "Mutineer Lair" this is your chance to change it
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I think it's important to have Mutineer in the title so that's probably good. Canonically though, they're down in the hold!

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I realised something by the way, with some of the Mutineer flavour it mentions the names of the other Mutineer roles. Am I ok to just redact them in the flip versions?

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I'm currently in the Cook PM, which I don't think you redacted previously. How much should be redacted?

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I'm currently in the Cook PM, which I don't think you redacted previously. How much should be redacted?

Don't worry about changing it btw, because I'm currently editing the post all at once

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Uh oh
I just realised that the some of the Role PMs mention the Captain, which is information the reviewers didn't approve. I think it needs to be taken out
I should really have realised this earlier I'm sorry

To answer your original question, none of the Cook PM should be redacted on flip except mentions of words like Captain which ideally shouldn't be there at all

I can do this quickly if you want. So none of the Mutineers should know about the Captain

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I've now removed the Captain from all PMs apart from the Captain's.

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I'm definitely not getting all the setting done as I will go to bed pretty soon, but I will continue doing it tomorrow morning. The images you found look good. If you happen to be bored, there are a lot of Role PMs that need to have information plugged into the square brackets (e.g. substitute [Cabin Boy] with Enchant)
But I can sort tomorrow morning if not

Yep I can do this

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I just realised the Cabin Boy is a gendered role. Do you think we should change this?

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I thought of another thing. If we leave the town roles unredacted, when the Captain dies everyone will know their 'informed' thing that there is at least 1 roleblocking role in the game. Granted, this isn't that important, but still.

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Sure, Cabin Child or Cabin Servant or Cabin Help all come to mind as possible alternatives

You'll also notice I've started centering and resizing the images

Yeah I can change it to Cabin Servant

Good job on the pictures. Are you happy with the meme I made for game thread OP, or do you want something else?

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I've put people's usernames in, apart from VT of course. I'm assuming you'll do that in the PMs you send out.

I might put the word Mutineers in red just for the look of it

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I am happy with the meme!

Ok seriously going to bed now. Do you what you feel like and please don't feel like you have to stay up late to do a lot of work. I'll fix what's missing tomorrow.

Ok goodnight

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I'm having one last thought about the Boatswain. Mechanically, they visit a player each night, right? The flavour I wrote involves them coercing someone to take their place in their cabin, but I'm worried that will confuse the player in the event of a Lookout claim with information that they visited or something. Should I rewrite the flavour, or just add in a note that mechanically they are the one visiting?

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I just changed the flavour slightly

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Nice one

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Certainly among the least awe-inspiring images, but I thought it worked for the role flavour

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Aand it's a game start!

I think Mala will make for a wonderful Cook. She confirmed saying "sweeet" and I nearly slipped by telling her that she indeed had the coolest role in the game. But I didn't because *big brain move*

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Can't wait to set sail. For votecounts, I'm thinking maybe some YT links to piratey music? Pirates of the caribbean etc lol

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Lol sure that sounds great
I've PMed T-Bone about getting you moderator access to the main thread, hopefully this will be sorted soon. Feel free to post VCs etc whenever you like.

Thanks, and thanks for putting in a lot of time to make this game happen.

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Oof Bella sort of outed as non VT arghh.

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Meh. To be honest, softing PR as the Bosun is good play anyway, maybe it was deliberate. As for Mala, she's already townlocked lol

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Enchant asking what PR could be Miller. RISKY. Never push a non meeting maf with kill power!

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In this post we track Frogsterking's ridiculous reads. Right now he's 3/3 on the people he's called +town and 1/1 on +scum

Wowowow

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Some ideas I have for flavour:
next VC - He's a Pirate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuYf0taXoNw

Day 2 start; The Black Spot wikipedia page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Spo ... re_Island)

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I'm very impressed, and excited to see how this goes

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I'm very impressed, and excited to see how this goes

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Lol

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I think the best case scenario for Mutineers today might just be a STD elim more than a KJ elim, because players might lose faith in KJ after STD flips. If KJ flips today, people will probably sheep their reads a bit (but might vote STD in that case as well)

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I think the best case scenario for Mutineers today might just be a STD elim more than a KJ elim, because players might lose faith in KJ after STD flips. If KJ flips today, people will probably sheep their reads a bit (but might vote STD in that case as well)

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Frog's attachment to the joke tell in the hydra PT lol

Everyone seems to be agreeing that it doesn't really work here. I like the way he approaches the game psychologically though, interesting that some general scumtells exist.

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Gimli with a good start

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let's yeeeeeet gimli for justice and glory!

You're scumsiding and can do better I think

*Narrator voice*: he was more correct than he could have imagined.

Lol...and this one too!

Super surprised Fenrir is the leading wagon. Wagon comp is ugly, too.

Probably gonna have to read the rest of this game.

six townies in it

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How about this for a votecount

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Here's some flavour in case someone gets hammered soon, if you're wanting to do flavour for e.o.d

Flavour

The Crew was gathered on the deck in the fading light. All day long the ship had been teeming with rumours, whispers and arguments. Presently, several pirates were being surrounded and accused, but the largest group was around [Player]. "Get back, ye scallywags! Let it never be said that [Player] is a Mutineer!" The ship's parrot started squawking excitedly in response: "Mutineer, Mutineer!" [Player]'s cries fell on deaf ears as the bloodthirsty horde pushed and shoved [them] onto the ship's plank.

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Not sure how to work the flip into the flavour unless it's something super nonsensical but we don't have to

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Yeah fair

I like that the kills get to talk as they die. In the review I said it could be townsided but you never know.

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Quick note for the flavour, I left [Player] and [them] or equivalent in. It's vital that you replace these with the name because if not then people might think the vote was T/T

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Noted for the flavour! Also feel free to do the flip if you see it before me.

This is such chaos and I am here for it

Yep, I think Joker might have jumped the shark at this point lol

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Flip and Nightstart done, I've added STD to the Wide Wide Ocean.

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No lol

Knew I forgot something

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Can you do it, I'm about to go out. Nightstart was what, 3 hours ago? Does that matter or can we just say it now?

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Also can you edit the OP with events and overboard, and change icon to a night symbol?

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Also, I think the Black Spot should have a mutineer assigned to it to carry out the action, at least that's what it's always been like in my head. This way the Lookout can potentially pick up the action if they are watching the right person. (IMO it's a good thing to require in closed setups even if it doesn't matter, to avoid giving scum the information that it doesn't matter.)

Oh right and the mutineers have multitasking, which would be redundant if the Black Spot was performed through some sort of mystic witchcraft rather than one of the mutineers delivering it themselves.

Agree/disagree?

Yes this makes sense.

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Titus will out the Elements result and Elements might claim Cop with a guilty

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I think he just says loads of random things and sometimes gets it right yeah

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You should probably message Bellaphant asking for a target in ~ 7 hours.

P.S. Is it standard practice to freeze the deadline at 48 hours when replacing a player, including moving the deadline back? I was saddened by the delay to the game restarting.

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How's this for a Black Spot message?

Subject: HMS Mutiny - The Black Spot!

You have been given

The Black Spot

! You will die at the end of today (Day X).

Also what do you want to do if people decide to hammer test the person who is black spotted? My current best guess is post a VC as a tacit acknowledgement that the slot has enough votes that they would otherwise be eliminated, do nothing else

No, it has to be that the person dying can be hammered and this ends the day. This is so that ccing being targeted is a valid strategy

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Black spot is meant to be a letter, maybe say you're given a letter with the black spot. I think 'you will die at the end of the day' still leaves room for a Medic-style fakeclaim

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Hmmmmmm I wonder who wrote this two months ago...

The Mutineers' factional kill is called 'The Black Spot' - it's a delayed kill. The target dies at the end of the following day. The target is notified by me, but it will not be publicly mod-confirmed who is targeted. Eliminating the target by vote does nothing.

By does nothing, I meant it kills them, because they would die anyway

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If you were unlimmable as black spot target we would just publicly announce the target

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Black spot is meant to be a letter, maybe say you're given a letter with the black spot.

Sure!

You have been handed a letter with

The Black Spot

! You will die at the end of today (Day X).

I think 'you will die at the end of the day' still leaves room for a Medic-style fakeclaim

I don't follow

Just that it's fine as it is, I don't think the wording rules out the existence of a protective which could heal someone

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Maybe reword the op/setup post

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Maybe reword the op/setup post

I put the following in instead of 'voting Black Spot target does nothing': 'The target of the Black Spot is eligible to be eliminated (like all other players) and doing so ends the day.'

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Have you asked Mala for an action? ~ 12 hours until daystart I think

I'll come up with some flavour for a daystart post before then

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Have you asked Mala for an action? ~ 12 hours until daystart I think

Obviously it's a once per game thing so nothing is fine as well

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Cool, I'm glad

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Day 2

Aisa, the ship's Scribe, was the first out on deck this morning, as usual. The first thing she noticed was a crumpled figure lying next to the base of the mast, not an unusual sight given the crew's affinity for a nightcap or three. 'Up and 'at em, sailor!' At the lack of reply, Aisa moved closer, rolling the pirate over onto his back. The lifeless body of Passenger flopped like a fish on the deck. 'Blistering barnacles! He's a goner!' 'No such thing as a sea burial eh.' Aisa effortlessly picked up Passenger and tossed him into the waves. 'Man overboard! Man overboard!' squawked the ship's parrot, waking everyone up.

Passenger has died Night 1. He was

Spoiler:

a Loyal Sailor

Spoiler: role PM

Welcome to HMS Mutiny, Passenger! You are a

Loyal Sailor

and are aligned with the

Crew

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Abilities:

You have no special abilities.

Win condition:

You win if all threats to the Crew are eliminated and at least one member of the Crew is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment in a PM to me.

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Votecount 2.00

Not Voting (14):

Killing Joke, Elements, Enchant, Bellaphant, Radical Rat, Titus, HighPrincessErinys, BlueBloodedToffee, Eiralox, Gamma Emerald, Flea The Magician, Andresvmb, ActionDan, Malakittens.

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to eliminate someone.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-01-29 17:30:00).

Two notices:
- If you have not seen this, there will be a site update on Jan 24th at 19:30 CST. The site is expected to be down for a few hours. There will probably be a small deadline extension after the update.
- We have reworded one point in the setup post to clarify previously ambiguous wording. It now reads:

The Mutineers' factional kill is called 'The Black Spot' - it's a delayed kill. The target dies at the end of the following day. The target is notified by me, but it will not be publicly mod-confirmed who is targeted. The target of the Black Spot is eligible to be eliminated (like all other players) and doing so ends the day.

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How does this look for daystart^

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I've changed it now. I just didn't want people to think it was the black spot

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Ok. Looking forward to Titus saying Elements visited, I'm predicting a fakeclaim

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I mean a spicy one

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Nice one!

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Have you sent a daystart PM, added Passenger to spec chat?

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perfect timing lol

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This is on brand for Enchant

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Lmao at Elements assuming Enchant's claim is true

I thought she might be talking about Passenger dying

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That could also be the case!

"When it doubt, lurk it out and let the town eat each other" claims some early success, but Titus's arrival in thread will make waves. Now, what would be hilarious is if they speedlimmed someone before Titus has a chance to post...

That would be quite tragic

I think Titus' reveal will send Elements down but we'll see.

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Titus enters the fray

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Imagine what this game could be if people understood what the Black Spot was, or knew the difference between Enchant and Elements

It's like half the players understand and half of them just never read the setup

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Okay, my mistake I missed the part of Titus' post where she said Elements also visited.

Regardless, Elements claiming poisoned is not a thing that happened.

It would actually be hilarious if they actually believed we were tpr and they were scum roleblocker.

@Elements why did you visit us?

~H

Lol

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VOTE: titus

bruh

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Wait I just realized. Malakittens claimed Miller. Neither of the claimed investigatives interact with that. I find it unlikely we have three investigatives, with two of them being relatively powerful. So Miller probably doesn't exist.

VOTE: Malakittens

Radical Rat with the (incorrect) mech solve!

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cool beans. Have you told her not to make any memes and then share them with the game?

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Also, post caps. They exist. No one has used theirs up yet, but they're a bit of a pain to keep track of. Do you know of a way to use the activity overview within a certain time period?

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No Mala. Maybe you could helpfully requote the line about flavour being derived from history/pirate culture?

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She could always retcon her claim slightly to fit with Titus' role, and say she's some kind of automatic visitor (Drunken Sailor)

I can't think of any flavour name for a straight up Miller though

Lol

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Bella just went genius mode. I thought she was about to call HPE scum for 3/4 voters being town, but then she calls Enchant scum based on her HPE townread

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Frogsterking wants to check your other modded games for complex roles...lol

He doesn't think we'd put a Vanilla PC in

(I wouldn't tbh, seems fairly useless)

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I think Elements and Malakittens will get voted out in the next 3-4 days

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Nice. Still love that image of the lookout

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Flea posted before you prodded faer, does it still count?

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Ok I see.

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I'll come up with some flavour in case HPE is hammered, when I get back in a few hours.

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Actually, it looks like Gimli could be hammered as well. I'll wait on it

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Nice job on the nightstart, everything looks good

This night phase will be exciting

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Lol. Can't wait to see the kill target tonight

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Flea suggested the 2 remaining TPRs!

I can't wait to see who Bella targets...imagine getting the Black Spot as a Mutineer...LOL

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LMFAOOOO

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Enchant will have no idea and then just suddenly die lol

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Mutineers changed the night actions btw

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Love that the Boatswain got a chance to use the ability

Cook poisoning a teammate is classic

It's all coming together

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Thanks!

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Night actions look good

I have a song for the daystart flip:



Not sure we really need flavour since 'nothing happened' but up to you

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I'm sure Enchant won't treat it as a result on ActionDan anyway, fairly harmless mistake

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I'm wondering if 4 TPR would have been more balanced, but I feel like the delayed kill balances things out.

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ActionDan posted without claiming the hit. Did you remember to notify him?

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Mala is Town MVP at this rate!

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Yeah the setup is fine I think, town have just missed twice which they would have done in any setup

I hope the game goes down to the wire.

It's hilarious that Mala keeps ignoring questions about her role name

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Did Dan respond to your PM? I think PMing him again would technically be mod interference unfortunately. I hope he claims soon

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I hope they vote someone else off so we can do a triplekill before nightstart >:D

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I was about to make the same comment^

Well, my musing was that Bella might think ActionDan is Mafia,

is dying

and is not claiming it for some random scummy reason

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Aisa, there are 7 non-voters on that VC! (3.04)

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Enchant has some glowing praise for us

hi i am poorly imaged kid in pirate garbs aligned with mafia and i am also Cabin Servant

I want to use a bit of this for the nightstart flavour!

Speaking of, is it best to have both ActionDan and Enchant just die mysteriously, or can I describe Enchant saying something like 'I don't feel so good' etc?

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Subject: HMS Mutiny [Day 3]

I do think Dan is unfortunately not a goon but a VT. his d3 is not a wolf in antispew but a dying VT trying to play some mafia.

I have a hard time imagining many worlds that do not contain elements as one of the scum.

I also have a hard time imagining many possibilities without enchant.

if my townpile atm is bella/bbt/AD as all nearly 100% town. then eira, then a second tier of flea/mala/RR/KJ

who's left? literally just enchant and elements. so I'm softclearing at least two scum, see? and it's in eira/flea/mala/RR/KJ that there are two scum.

I think elly/enchant/????/???? is probably a necessity.

Gimli has gone massive brain

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Ok.

This looks to be a pivotal day for town

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Town have really done a lot of talking today, and it's improved the group consensus no end, albeit at the cost of outting 2 PRs

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That depends on scum believing we'd put an unkillable role in a game, which seems strong

If Elements flips today, Enchant is the only mafia who looks good for voting her!

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Are we gonna have to replace Gimli?

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I am currently writing up a big post with all 3 flips

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I've now done the flips, sent out Nightstart and Dead Thread PMs. I will now update the OP of the gamethread

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Idk how to change the symbol from sun to moon

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I'm thinking about win conditions - let's say the group votes off a crew tomorrow - D5 would then be 7 alive with one crew poisoned, and therefore ELO. So town has one mislim left.

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Gimli's close to the full solve.

Meanwhile, Frogsterking voted all 3 remaining mafia in their hydra PT!

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Ok, cool

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Everything looks good

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Subject: HMS Mutiny [Day 4]

Yeah, like passenger
P-edit a lot, but I do have a crazy idea that scum is being set 'goals' that influence kills, etc. Maybe they successes with std but failed yesterday and it cost then enchant?

That's nuts, right.

New setup idea just dropped

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I think people will re-evaluate Mala at some point.

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Subject: HMS Mutiny [Day 4]

Gimli is goon

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Subject: HMS Mutiny [Day 4]

...

This is definitely a bit tinfoily but...

What if Mala's the traitor?

Miller is a pretty solid claim for a traitor to make, and if she's a traitor who doesn't know the main scumteam, Enchant could have just been an accident.

It helps with the PR balance issue, and explains Elements' result... The informed bit could be the existence of a traitor... It all lines up.

Idk, someone tell me I'm crazy here

wow

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What did Enchant's role PM look like then?

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It seems fine to me, I can't see a massive difference

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As we're at E-1 now, I'm wondering about flip flavour.

Is the following ok?

Flavour

The pirates were more argumentative than ever, on the fourth day since downsizing had been announced. Everyone was talking about how many Mutineers there could be, after one had died the previous day, and what the best course of action was to preserve what semblance of order remained. Eventually, it was agreed that Gimli had fallen out of favour with the group, and he was forcefully grappled onto the ship's plank.

fixed this for Gimli

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Are you online right now? I'll get to work on the Eira+BBT flips and nightstart post if that's alright

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My bad.

I hope I didn't compromise the game

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Haha can you imagine

sweats

I was about to before I looked at the VC and I was like hold up...

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GET AWAY FROM THE THREAD

lol

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And this time, it's for real!

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As we're at E-1 now, I'm wondering about flip flavour.

Is the following ok?

Flavour

The pirates were more argumentative than ever, on the fourth day since downsizing had been announced. Everyone was talking about how many Mutineers there could be, after one had died the previous day, and what the best course of action was to preserve what semblance of order remained. Eventually, it was agreed that Gimli had fallen out of favour with the group, and he was forcefully grappled onto the ship's plank.

fixed this for Gimli

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I'm not doing it

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I am reading and chilling

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Lololol

Everything looks good!

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I've always considered no killing to be a standard weapon in the arsenal of a Mafia

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(Plus, the reason we don't mod confirm the Black Spot is so that Mutineers can claim it (with or without targeting a town)

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I can do daystart on time if you want (it's just Black Spot target that matters now isn't it)

-Daystart message with VC 5.00
-Daystart PM
-Black Spot target PM (with the wording you put somewhere in here)

Anything else to remember?

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oh ok then it's probably easier if you do it, just excited for D5

I have seen that guide and follow it religiously for my Newbie games!

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Sure

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How do you want to answer Killing Joke's 'scum vigilante' question? I think you can just tell him that he doesn't get to know

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It's annoying me that players keep asking questions about other player's claims when this is clearly a closed setup. It's poor etiquette trying to fish information from mods.

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Any kind of response like
'The setup is closed'
'This isn't public information'
'We won't answer questions which relate to the specifics of hypothetical roles'
Yknow. Just play the game and stop asking us who the mafia are.

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Why on earth would we give a certain players information which informs setup spec when it isn't publicly available? This is really grinding my gears if you can't tell

Tell them where to get off Aisa!

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Well, I impulsively sent a bit of a testy response. But meh. I wouldn't ask mods these kinds of questions. Just play the game...

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He's ruined it a bit by posting some imperfect takes in the Hydra PT. He still seems like he would be terrifying to clash with as scum though

I think that eventually he'll solve the game.

Prescient. But is it too late?

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Do you want to PM Nancy then saying no to the new hydra?

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I forget, did we ever have a plan for what we would do if scum refused to kill and town refused to elim?

I was thinking punish initiators - if it's 3 days and 3 nights of nothing (or 3 nights and 3 days), whoever started the deadlock has to take action.

But yeah we never stated this lol - I figured it probably won't happen

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Not really, I can type something up

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I'll probably just write something as and when it happens

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I'm gonna write some stuff now

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Sure, I won't release any PTs, just going to do the flips and endgame post

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I've done it, the game remains locked for you to do your post and unlock the game

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Yeah. I want to say things in the right way and I'm not sure exactly what to say yet.

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That seems wise, yeah.

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Likewise, you were great to mod with

I'd be happy to run another game with you