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It's like MY VERY OWN NOTES PT! Ahaha yes I am very responsible with notes PTs as we know-
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Anyway, this is pretty sweet. I was getting pretty worried about how I handled my read on Ranger. I was worried that my read came off stronger than it was, I was worried that if Ranger flipped before me and flipped red I would have been in trouble.
I'm also glad I won't to feel pressure to justify all the little twists and changes in my reads anymore.-
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I'll also wonder if in a way no longer having me in the thread will be good for the game's reads? I can write pretty long posts when I have something to say, but in the last few days' I've been quite worried about scenarios such as Bella scum, Vanders scum, or Ranger scum. I've called all three town at some point, and I worry that I expressed my reads too strongly relative to how good or certain they were.-
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I see the length of a Judgment Day is 5 days - nice. In that case I think the plan is to continue taking a break from the game for 24 hours, because 1. I'm tired for IRL reasons and 2. maybe a little reset will improve my reads.-
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Hey! No sheeping D:<In post 570, Aureal wrote: So anyway, Vander, what do you have for scumreads now? You obviously were scumreading Ranger- does Aisa being town affect that? She was most interested in defending Ranger, do you think she was wrong?-
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Since when? lmaooIn post 587, Enchant wrote: I am uncomfortable that Ranger hit E-1 so fast.-
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Kinda inconvenient that I can no longer ask people questions-
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I've decided Aureal is probably town. 75%?
Related but separate, if I had to send someone to hell I don't think I would have the stomach to.-
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S C A T H I N GIn post 577, Vanderscamp wrote:
Yeah I mean it seems even more likely now that Aisa was wrong, I don't understand why scum would want to send Aisa to heaven over me if they know that Ranger is town and they can get an extremely reliable kill there to win the game if they can lim someone other than Ranger today.In post 570, Aureal wrote: So anyway, Vander, what do you have for scumreads now? You obviously were scumreading Ranger- does Aisa being town affect that? She was most interested in defending Ranger, do you think she was wrong? And who else would you see as being scum with Ranger since it seemed like you were most wary of Aisa? You've been feeling most everyone else is somewhat towny, but there's got to be two more scum in there.
But correct
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Now, Icouldreread the game
But I could also play Stardew Valley
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I was trying to scumread Drew, but Drew and Arko are the same slot? God, this game sure is confusing-
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I thought I would be so much better at spotting scum after 2 months of only playing scum, but... sure doesn't feel like it!
I promise that if I ever get a friend I will rein in the posting. Until then, though... this will be my personal fiefdom!-
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Heaven feels kinda underwhelming, it is an endless sea of violet and I'm not even any smarter than I was two days ago...-
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Tbf maybe if I read the game instead of spamming the PT I would have reads-
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It's post 27+1 out of 587+1 and I townread the lemon so very much-
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Heaven is a scam ^^
Kinda stale read hmm?In post 577, Vanderscamp wrote: I'm not super confident in other scum, very likely not OE/Enchant.-
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Kinda tinfoiling OE/Enchant + Vanders + someone else-
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Page 4 vanders is not that towny for content, those timestamps tho-
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I've read the first 4 pages of the game skipping the first 2. Hard day of work done.-
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Wait… I do this?In post 606, Doctor Drew wrote:
The irony here is that you are using the Aisa 'oops all caught as scum' defense (patent pending).In post 604, Aureal wrote:
Oh yes, absolutely.In post 593, Doctor Drew wrote: But as far as the Aisa read on Ranger, that really is a big wifom sandwich you are you are proposing here.
If I had explicitly spelled out the wifom argument as well for extra confusion and indecision, would it still be "defending without actually 'defending'"?Also you are defending Ranger without actually 'defending' her. A bit sketch imo.
Discredit a read while making it a joke at the same time.-
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The irony here is that Drew is also using my defense and that his use of the defense feels worse than Aureal’s use of the defense.-
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It's MS hour again!
Impressed by the length of this, though the arguments are not particularly convincing!In post 108, Oclaxian Empire wrote:
MS ate my first post, so I'm typing it again:In post 103, AurorusVox wrote: I actually back ox over the “technically” point to be fair (might not agree with it but I can see why it pinged them)
Saying “technically” implies in reality it isn’t NAI
Hmm
Ox can you explain to me why you zeroed in on arko when multiple people were discussing setup spec at the time?
Nobody else's setup was as substantial or meaningful as Arko's. Us and Vader literally posted like a single post, that wasn't even that long in response to that. Vader's post was "I think this setup is townsided" - which, genuinely reads to me as someone just going "I wanna get into the game, and need a way to get *into* the game - I'll post if I think the setup is townsided or scumsided" - which... is NAI to me. It comes off more as someone who hasn't played this setup before going "I think this might be a townsided setup." Now, if Vader went "I think it's townsided for X, Y, and Z" that'd be different and we'd have zeroed in on that too. Our post is a single sentence saying that the setup might be scumsided and we should probably focus on finding townies. That's it. That's all there is to it.
Arko's posts, is just nothing. It's nothing of use, and people are TRing that. That's the problem. I looked at it again, because Grim didn't leave me specifically any notes about what they saw that made them think it's scummy, but there is one thing I noticed that I exceptionallydo not likefrom Arko's postings, and I'm pretty sure it's what Grim saw and made it go "I don't like your posts" and it's the quoted below:
I don't like this because it makes it seem like sending townies to heaven is bad, when in reality it's good we do so. Scum have comms with their partners at all times. It doesn't matter what we do, scum are going to communicate all the time regardless. We should be sending townies to heaven when it comes up, and scum to hell when it comes up. There is no room for "well actually sending townies to heaven is bad" - NO. IT'S NOT. If we hit evens, the townies we sent to heaven vote on who they think is mafia. Like at worst, it's heaven 2, and it's a 4v3. That just means all the townies need to coordinate who they want to vote for. That's not *bad* because it forces scum into a position of they gotta help with this, or risk being spotted by that. Like, ugh. This post is so bad, words do not begin to describe it.In post 13, Arko wrote: A saint going to heaven might as well not happen, it just makes the sinners closer to their 2nd wincon, and closer they are to that, more they can influence.
Trying to not send saints to heaven is actually anti-town because that's what scum wants. They want the sinners to go to heaven, not the saints. The entire point of the heaven day is to kill a townie. If you don't want to kill a townie, you're scum.
Other of Arko's posts that ping me:
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Also something about the tone and/or exact writing style pings me scum a bit, a little meta dive might be in order-
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Slowly but inexorably talking myself into Vanders + Drew + Enchant, send help-
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^I need to remember that I can still change my reads, also it's ok to have a team solve after I've reread the whole game but it's not ok to have a team solve on page 5 which is where I am currently.
Spoiler: this gameSpoiler: Turf Wars
I think I've found posts both from grim from two different games, this one and Turf Wars, where Ox was town. grim is a lot more tolerant of mech posting early on in that game. The reads from Ox in that game in general seem a bit more nuanced, there's some "this is NAI" early on rather than an immediate jump to "I don't like this" about... mech posting.
Confbias go brrr-
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In hindsight Arko's whole Ox E-2 fiasco sure is a bit sus-
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Apologies for murdering your theory that Ox and Arko were not scum together if you're town, Vanders-
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Okkk yeah tbf page 6 is some evidence that maybe Arko + OE not partnered after all-
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In post 162, Oclaxian Empire wrote: "you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"In post 163, Oclaxian Empire wrote: it just makes me feel like ranger has very deterministically decided what alignment we are, and what arko is, and not gonna re-evaluate.In post 164, Oclaxian Empire wrote: Kori: I also had a dream we killed Arko and Arko was scum.
I take this back, feels pretty NAI after allIn post 166, Aisa wrote: I do kinda like Oclaxian Empire's latest 3 posts, yeah. We're less than 72 hours in and I've already been tempted to townread everyone except KawaiiKame. No offense to you Kawaii, it's just that 1 post in RVS is not a lot to go off of-
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More juicy Vanders timestamps at the bottom of page 8, can he do this as scum? Maybe I need to find a different pet scumread?-
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Maybe I will give myself permission to skip pages 9-12 tomorrow, found it hard to sort Ranger and maybe it's just not worth the anguish if I can be more productive reading other pages-
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Actually maybe it’s worth writing this down before I fall asleep. My current tier list is
{Aureal}
{AurorusVox}
{Bella}
{Vanders, Ranger}
{Drew, Enchant}
I feel ok about my top 2 TRs but don’t have confidence in any scumread, which, uh, given the setup I would like to fix
Maybe also worth triple checking that my top two TRs are worth TRing-
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I also kinda don’t remember why I TRed Bella / not sure she’s so towny that she deserves being in the little tier above Ranger and Vanders-
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If Vox is scum I will cry*
*any crying is for illustrative purposes only and there is no welfare concern over here-
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In post 587, Enchant wrote: I am uncomfortable that Ranger hit E-1 so fast.
Hmm?In post 638, Enchant wrote: I am bored can someone being sent already?-
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Well now that my most confident townread also townreads my second most confident townread I'm never changing my reads again this game, am I?-
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I have a little time during which I can continue rereading, I can probably manage page 13 in this time.
I think this remains a good point.In post 300, Vanderscamp wrote:
Saying "vibed obvtown" then reevaluating seems more towny than notIn post 298, Bellaphant wrote: I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?
This seems significant - I remember at the time having an epiphany that made me feel like I completely understood Bella’s thought process here, I want to go back to the previous page to see if I can understand this again.In post 301, Bellaphant wrote: Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.-
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Aww, wholesome, and I contributed to this dyingIn post 288, Kowahbunga wrote:Hello
This seems like a slight misunderstanding of Vanders’ post.In post 295, Bellaphant wrote:In post 268, Vanderscamp wrote:
Are they good points?In post 257, Aisa wrote:
Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!In post 177, Ranger wrote:[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,
I loved this thought process.In post 26, Arko wrote:Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.
I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.
There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?
This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.
I really like this, mainly because I am now skimming rangers posts;)
Bella is saying “I’ve been skimming Ranger’s posts, therefore everyone else must be skimming R’s posts”, but this is irrelevant when I literally just implied to have read R’s post.
I can’t quite work out what to make of this.In post 298, Bellaphant wrote: I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?In post 297, Vanderscamp wrote:
Yeah, I was expecting to have a scum read on Aisa for it but their response was fine.In post 295, Bellaphant wrote:In post 268, Vanderscamp wrote:
Are they good points?In post 257, Aisa wrote:
Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!In post 177, Ranger wrote:[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,
I loved this thought process.In post 26, Arko wrote:Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.
I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.
There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?
This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.
I really like this, mainly because I am now skimming rangers posts;)
Wait, I don’t think I actually found the information I wanted to help me with this postIn post 301, Bellaphant wrote: Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.-
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I FINALLY REMEMBERED but it’s so convoluted
So, we’ve established I don’t really agree with the approach that Bella has taken here: I don’t think the fact she has been skimming Ranger’s posts means Vanders’ question to me is useful. Vanders’ question to me feels mostly rhetorical and / or fake.In post 295, Bellaphant wrote:In post 268, Vanderscamp wrote:
Are they good points?In post 257, Aisa wrote:
Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!In post 177, Ranger wrote:[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,
I loved this thought process.In post 26, Arko wrote:Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.
I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.
There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?
This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.
I really like this, mainly because I am now skimming rangers posts;)
This seems like it could come from town or scum, per se. But if Bella is town, her perspective here is: “I’m thinking about Asia’s alignment and wondering if that post is a town post or a scum post”.
…which is basically the same perspective in this post.In post 298, Bellaphant wrote: I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?
…and here. You wouldn’t say “fair” unless you were actively trying to sort Aisa here, or trying to fake the same.In post 301, Bellaphant wrote: Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.
So what I’m trying to say is: it would have been more worrying to me if Bella had first misunderstood / misutilised Vanders’ post, then switched to a different perspective. But she didn’t.
This said I feel like I haven’t even achieved a very strong result here, I make it sound like staying consistent in two posts an hour apart is really hard but… it’s not ;-;-
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Monitoring this PT wistfully, as if anyone would have posted in it other than me :3-
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Day... 4? ...5? of being in Heaven. The days are starting to blur together a little. The other angels are not too interested in earthly concepts such as time, which makes it increasingly hard to track when the deadline is. I can also feel my interest in Purgatory waning, because I spend >50% of my time making joke posts like these in the Heaven PT instead of keeping up with the latest news. Yet the allure of some earthly temptations remains, because in the rest of the time I can't think of all the glory I will have when I find the perfect scum team solve. Are they sure I am perfectly purified and didn't end up here by mistake? The peace and stillness are a little numbing.
God is nowhere to be seen. I am not sure why he needs me, one of the newest faces in here, to carry out this Judgment Day for him when his all-knowing could solve this with the blink of an eye. Maybe he's on a business trip?-
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ebwopIn post 47, Aisa wrote: Day... 4? ...5? of being in Heaven. The days are starting to blur together a little. The other angels are not too interested in earthly concepts such as time, which makes it increasingly hard to track when the deadline is. I can also feel my interest in Purgatory waning, because I spend >50% of my time making joke posts like these in the Heaven PT instead of keeping up with the latest news. Yet the allure of some earthly temptations remains, because in the rest of the time I can'thelp butthink of all the glory I will have when I find the perfect scum team solve. Are they sure I am perfectly purified and didn't end up here by mistake? The peace and stillness are a little numbing.
God is nowhere to be seen. I am not sure why he needs me, one of the newest faces in here, to carry out this Judgment Day for him when his all-knowing could solve this with the blink of an eye. Maybe he's on a business trip?
Everyone knows the superior time to proofread your post is after you've hit the submit button-
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Oh no, I agreed with this post too readily at the time!In post 318, Vanderscamp wrote:
This reads REALLY bad, I feel like it's way too late in the game to care about these questions.In post 305, Kowahbunga wrote:
Why do you think it feels town sided?In post 301, Bellaphant wrote: Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.
This just reeks of fake hunting.-
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Reading the game, I see there's a new post...
Please don't let it be a VC please don't let it be a VC-
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Lol ^
Wall of reactions to Drew's catch up, let's see where this takes me!
No thoughtsSpoiler:
No thoughtsSpoiler:
Understandable reaction, to be fair!Spoiler:
Fine I guess, seems mildly towny.Spoiler:
A bit hedgy, wonder if it is a bit forced?Spoiler:
The reaction to Bella is nice, the read on me is Yikes though xxSpoiler:
Scum v scum never crossed my mind, lol. I guess it is possible, but I don't share this reaction.Spoiler:
Mm, all we know about Drew on Bloodb0t so far is that he raised eyebrows at a previous post by Blood. I guess he could have changed his mind.Spoiler:
Mmm, I don't know if I buy the idea that he knows he is biased. Also wait, if I and Vanders could be scum together (is that what he's saying), and Ranger and Oclax could be scum together, why the different treatment?Spoiler:-
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I'm not really getting anywhere different, which could be good or bad, I keep reading and thinking it's Drew + Enchant + Vanders.-
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I can *feeeeel* the idea seizing up my brain like cement.-
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GIVE ME SOMEONE TO TALK TO
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The earliest timeline in which I get a friend is if town elims scum today and saved a townie tomorrow, in which case we'd be in 3v2 and I'd have a little angel friend, which would be pretty exciting.-
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askdajsdj it's like I SEE posts like these and my brain immediately maps them to obvious scum agendaIn post 353, Oclaxian Empire wrote: I don't like Aisu for pairing with Ranger, but idk if that's townie or not. Will be able to post more later.
This one is a bit better tbf if theatre it's a convincing theatre.In post 354, Oclaxian Empire wrote: Drew repped in? Oh god. I can't read Drew and I'm ready to policy Drew at any time for that tbh.-
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Not sure how I feel about thisIn post 364, Doctor Drew wrote:
I am more than willing to admit my read could be wrong on Aisa, just that nothing jumps out at me as different than her scum game.....but I have only seen her scum game as of late.In post 349, Bellaphant wrote: Did like rangers response about reading posts, did kinda like Drew's catch up but his scum reads are my biggest town reads.
Bella was town the last time she did this, but I stated that I was tempted to townread her for this, can I still trust the tell?In post 365, Bellaphant wrote: Can someone link the chat game?-
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Ok I'm gonna continue reading from page 17 next time, but before I go...
Openwolf moment à la Nyx? But is this necessary if both Kowahbunga and Ranger are town? Is Ranger scum? Is Drew setting up a fake associative? Is he just doing the scum thing of "I sense a miselim and I must capitalise on this opportunity"? Am I tunnelling a townie?In post 418, Doctor Drew wrote: Ok I don't like Kow anymore, and I think I am feeling better about Aisa.
VOTE: Kow-
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Ok yeah, I am a bit worried about Aureal being scum now.
Granted, I'm usually worried about most things one could worry about at any one time, but-
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