[Purgatory] Weird Dreams Mafia

[DragonEater70]

Hi Alianna!
I understand you are a voidfiend, rightl? Is that like a mason?
Does your role PM flavor not aay what ny role is?

BTW, love the flavor image, Kori!

[DragonEater70]

Say*

[DragonEater70]

@Mod would we be able to use both of our shots of Lover's Wrath on the same night, or must it be done on separate nights? Because if we can do it on the same night then 2 lovers v 3 other players is basically a guaranteed win as long as we don't get vigged.

[DragonEater70]

Okay fine.

[DragonEater70]

Oh? That's interesting. Care to explain how that works?

Anyway yeah I'm scum. Before you asked me I considered being quiet about it, but since you asked I figured you'd out me to the town if I didn't cooperate. So yeah, I would love to play as informed 3p.

[DragonEater70]

how bad of an idea is it to say "i hardclaim traitor" as my first post?

Very bad cause scum might kill you. However you can hardclaim mason.

[DragonEater70]

well basically i'm the masonry equivalent of a traitor.

That makes no sense to me, unless you mean you are recruitable, and know who the masons are?

[DragonEater70]

oh are you a traitor too?

Yeah

[DragonEater70]

I guess that's the point of our roles. Double crossing traitors.

[DragonEater70]

Go for it

[DragonEater70]

I keep trying to post something about mech and keep getting ninja'd so I just gave up. Let's do something game advancing.

There's not much right now but I am getting town vibes from Aureal, and slight townleans from Python and Titus. Not so much on std and Abnegation. I'm still trying to understand Abnegation's claim though.
VOTE: Abnegation
Do you wanna explain the rationale behind the claim?

what was the point of this?

To generate discussion mainly. I'm gonna unvote the second there's some sort of discussion.

[DragonEater70]

Yeah me neither. Idk if it was the most natural play here, but I don't think it was the worst play ever. I'll be honest, I am not very good at RVS. Most games, even when town, I either join the game after RVS has finished or get massively scumread in RVS.

[DragonEater70]

i just meme and do silly stuff and sometimes vote myself. some playerlists townread me for it, some scumread me for it.

Makes sense. I normally scumread extensive meme-ing, but tr being chill (which includes making jokes).

[DragonEater70]

Yeah me neither. Idk if it was the most natural play here, but I don't think it was the worst play ever. I'll be honest, I am not very good at RVS. Most games, even when town, I either join the game after RVS has finished or get massively scumread in RVS.

that's helpful to know though. it might be good to link some games where you did similar things in rvs as town so i can point at them if you get scumread for it.

I can link them but I rather you suggest here what I could say, rather than say it yourself, unless it would feel natural for you to look into other players' ISO's.

Anyway, here's the linkies.

My first game on this site:

viewtopic.php?t=90446

This beautiful page 2 (as IceDragon):

viewtopic.php?t=90686&start=25

And this game:

viewtopic.php?t=90539

[DragonEater70]

Oh okay, that's useful info. Then I guess if I recruited and we want lover's kill it might have to be you who does it.

[DragonEater70]

Anyhow, what do you think of my situation? There's like 2-3 people voting me atm. And I honestly do not have anyone I feel comfortable scumreading except Bianco and maybe sheep.

[DragonEater70]

And I think it would be weird to just re-state my townreads.

[DragonEater70]

Okay yeah sounds good to me. I'll do that tomorrow when I have some more time.

[DragonEater70]

Hmm so I was planning to suggest to you to make up some scumreads and townreads, but since you are actually uninformed then I guess you can just get some real reads instead. Either way my plan is to form a townblock with me, you, usesPython, Kyoko and one other person who looks townie but that won't SR either of us two. If we di that it would be easy-peasy not to get eliminated before D4. So if you can somehow manipulate your reads into fitting in with this plan it would be great.
But also just have natural towbie reads which I am sure you have because you actually don't know who's yown and who's scum.

[DragonEater70]

I'll have a more in depth read of the last few pages and see what's the best thing I can do to steer towards the townblock.

[DragonEater70]

That's great. I don't care either way, just decide whatever you think is best.

[DragonEater70]

if i were you, i wouldn't ask people who scumread me why they scumread me unless not doing so would be weird you think you can defeat whatever the reasoning might be. if you ask and then their reasons are good, there now exists an actual case for scum!me when previously it was just "abnegation sus." just hope they forget about it and move on to better wagons.

Oh okay sorry about that. I have a feeling they don't actually have good reasons to SR you though. They'll probably say "vibes" or something.

[DragonEater70]

btw I think we're both in a pretty good spot right now, I think we might get solidly into the the town core if we keep up this way and we can also secure a lim on Rauth which would be nice (though as third party I guess a lim on anyone is nice).

[DragonEater70]

Oh I forgot to say, and maybe you already did it since I'm not fully caught up, but could you please make some posts for me to townread?
Just because right now it feels like I should be developing a scumread on you based on my meta and I feel if someone meta analyzes me they'll suspect the fact that I am not, but if I tr you for something it shouldn't be a problem.

[DragonEater70]

i'll be honest, i really don't feel like playing this game today, but i'll see what i can do. what would be making you sr me and what could i do to make you tr me, according to your meta?

I would sr you for not havong solid scumreads I guess? And if you point out someone as scummy with a reason given I would tr you.

But please do not do it if you don't feel like playing, I think right now the focus just isn't on us.

[DragonEater70]

i do, however, think that's a really oddly specific thing to meta-analyze someone for and i don't think anyone realistically will.

You are probably right.

[DragonEater70]

Soooo I'm basically going to get prodded which is fine with me, because I was planning to post something yesterday but then I didn't have time. I feel like any post I would be making right now would be rushed and scummy so I'll just let myself get prodded and then come back later on today and make a bunch of posts which are not rushed.

[DragonEater70]

did you put drew in the nightmare?

I voted for Python's proposal, don't think it included him.

sorry i called ranger town for scumreading you, but it is just a gut ping so i don't think it's going to be a problem.

Not a problem. Are you town or scumreading me though, in thread?

[DragonEater70]

Okay so here's the situation:
My gut says that if I SR Ranger right now, they will lock my slot as scum (due to knowing their playstyle).
My question is, do you think I have a better chance of survival trying to mislim Ranger today, or trying to get townread by them?
I

think

I want to go for the Ranger townread and let someone else kill her.

[DragonEater70]

Oh my god that's amazing.

[DragonEater70]

i don’t know if ranger is mislimmable today.

if we really need her dead, we can shoot her, but i do kind of want to save those.

Agreed on both

i don’t exactly know what you should do. i don’t know what we’re doing in general.

Yeah me neither.

[DragonEater70]

I actually hate my last post, blergh.
Also I definitely think we should have some sort of a plan. I did a bit of math and I don't think we should try to lim scum until D4, unless there are A LOT of nightkills, because that way we can finish killing all the scum on maybe D6-D7, and win:
Assuming an average of 1.5 deaths per night before that, it would be 9 nightkills and 6 lims at the end of D7, leaving us with 4 leaving player, and we'll need our night kill to get a majority.
Whereas if we lim all the scum early, there will quite a few nights with no nightkill so it will be harder to win.

[DragonEater70]

I don't remember if I've asked, but I can use nightkill and my role ability on the same night, right?

[DragonEater70]

I actually hate my last post, blergh.
Also I definitely think we should have some sort of a plan. I did a bit of math and I don't think we should try to lim scum until D4, unless there are A LOT of nightkills, because that way we can finish killing all the scum on maybe D6-D7, and win:
Assuming an average of 1.5 deaths per night before that, it would be 9 nightkills and 6 lims at the end of D7, leaving us with 4 leaving player, and we'll need our night kill to get a majority.
Whereas if we lim all the scum early, there will quite a few nights with no nightkill so it will be harder to win.

definitely need a plan.
don't you also get endgamed if the scum all die and you aren't recruited?

I've no clue. @mod?

[DragonEater70]

we should probably be planning our other night actions as well.
in addition to the stuff i told you about, i have 2 shots of rolecop. it's more like a flavour cop though, it tells you the name of the role (for example, mine is "voidfiend traitor") but not necessarily what abilities it has.

Oh cool. Mine is basically the Falsely Prophetic Fridge from the first game (if you aren't sure what that is, I'll try to explain later).

[DragonEater70]

can you vote for ranger's nightmare proposal?

Could you ask me (and maybe another player you townread) to do it in the game thread? I think it would look weird if I just randomly voted for it.

[DragonEater70]

Okay fine.

I have a question though:
Can you give me a list of your like top 5 scumreads?
I will explain why after you answer.

[DragonEater70]

for what it's worth, i do think cat is overall townier than merlyn was.

Agreed.

[DragonEater70]

What makes you townread Kyoko? I'm curious because Ranger was Heavily scumreading them but now no one is considering the lim a possibility.

[DragonEater70]

To know who it would feel natural to push.

[DragonEater70]

idk if you've read the thread yet.

I haven't

[DragonEater70]

how much info do you want re: nightmare?

As much as you can provide.

oh ok lol.
wheme claimed in a way that looked really town and camel did some rolefishy stuff so things have definitely changed since then.

But they got limmed anyway due to deadline? Cool.

[DragonEater70]

we should probably be planning our other night actions as well.
in addition to the stuff i told you about, i have 2 shots of rolecop. it's more like a flavour cop though, it tells you the name of the role (for example, mine is "voidfiend traitor") but not necessarily what abilities it has.

Oh cool. Mine is basically the Falsely Prophetic Fridge from the first game (if you aren't sure what that is, I'll try to explain later).

i read the role pm from the old game so i get what it does. is it the exact same ability or are there some changes?

Sorry for not answering, basically I can decide if I want the answer to be true or false, which is quite useful.

You know who the masons are, right? If you wanna tell me it'd be great, otherwise I will just try to use my power to fish masons.

Also, who are you planning to investigate?

[DragonEater70]

all the juicy info:
- masons are aureal and radical rat.
- ranger claimed innocent child that can reveal any day after d2. she is also immune to role and alignment changes, meaning we are very likely to be dealing with a cult.
- bp ic has been deemed a bad plan because using the ic means you are no longer bp.

idk who i'm investigating yet.

1&2 That's really juicly. I had an inkling that Aureal could be a mason, but I thought they were together with Python or something.
3. I think that's silly since you only need to be BP until you use the IC, not after.

4. Hmmm. Who's in the nightmare again?

[DragonEater70]

and what are you planning to do with the fridge?

I'm thinking to reveal that Radical Rat's role grants them access to a PT. That way we can soft-force a kill by scum.

[DragonEater70]

Btw did RR and Aureal reveal their masonness in the Nightmare thread?

[DragonEater70]

and what are you planning to do with the fridge?

I'm thinking to reveal that Radical Rat's role grants them access to a PT. That way we can soft-force a kill by scum.

wasn't this role's info all false last game? scum may assume it's false again this game.

That is a very good point. Should I make it give false info?

[DragonEater70]

if the masonry has my role pm, this might not go over very well lol.

They don't, I think? You should ask Korina, but for me the knowledge is asymmetrical.

[DragonEater70]

and what are you planning to do with the fridge?

I'm thinking to reveal that Radical Rat's role grants them access to a PT. That way we can soft-force a kill by scum.

wasn't this role's info all false last game? scum may assume it's false again this game.

That is a very good point. Should I make it give false info?

that's what i would do.

The thing is this: last game, it was false information but nobody knew the PMs so it was useful. This game if it's the same thing, everyone would know it's false and there would be no point. Therefore scum would assume that is is actually changed from last game. At least that's what I think. It is a KIND of WIFOM but I think the real result would just lead to more exposure because RR would have to defend themself, sort of?

[DragonEater70]

i guess my biggest concern with outing masons in thread is that i might have to claim mason and scum might kill me, which is game over.

Why would you have to claim?

[DragonEater70]

I'm definitely not willing to endanger you, but I just don't see how this forces you to claim.

[DragonEater70]

update: kirigiri is getting bp masonized, sheep claimed to have a mailman component to his role.
still not sure who to rolecop. i think i want to investigate within {sheep, katy, rauth, ircher}.

Ok, BP masonization is actually really cool. I really wish I was town this game since this strategy rocks

Wait, since when is Ircher in the game? Also, what are your aijms with the investigation? catching town prs or scum or sorting?

[DragonEater70]

Well if I answer I would basically make it very easy for myself to lose, you know?

[DragonEater70]

Also I thought I answered #31

[DragonEater70]

and yeah, the bp mason strat is great. better than bp ic imo.

Agreed

[DragonEater70]

anything specifically that you want me to suggest in nightmare? we can't use normal invention again so it's between cop, vig, and fn. people are considering checking/shooting save the dragons.

Sorry for ignoring that, but uh, why weren't you able to use the invention?

Also I'm genuinely surprised Titus was scum.

And also what's up with 2 traffic analysts.

[DragonEater70]

we're down to probably 1-3 more maf depending on size of cult and whether you count yourself, and we've still got a 14p game. i think we need to kill some townies lol.

Yeah agreed, and I don't count myself as town.

ranger claimed d3+ activated ic

So we kill her today?

I said this as a joke but it could work, with her being the main pusher for Wheme and not even explaining the scumread properly.

[DragonEater70]

"can ranger reveal her alignment at will?" isn't technically alignment-specific but it's pretty obvious that you don't give that to scum so it might not fly.

I mean I could ask something like "is Ranger's ability only activateable after D2?" and set the result to false? but unfortunately it's too late now because after the next night phase it would be D3.

[DragonEater70]

"can ranger reveal her alignment at will?" isn't technically alignment-specific but it's pretty obvious that you don't give that to scum so it might not fly.

update: this is not legal.

Makes sense.

[DragonEater70]

look at me, an innocent townie, searching for all the best ways to frame and sabotage my fellow townies. what have i become?

That's what happens when you fall in love :3

[DragonEater70]

if you're recruitable, you should try to become full maf so you have access to their communications and so you don't get endgamed if they die (if that's what would happen).

Yeah that's my plan, though I gots no faintest clue bout how.

Also we're probably the only 2 players that know that Titus could get a false positive by investigating you. Which is pretty neat.

[DragonEater70]

rat's plan right now is to give sheep a cop shot tonight (which will be used n3), create a 5-player nightmare tomorrow with just the towncore, and both out the masonry to the nightmare people and vig someone n3. we'll be deliberating both a cop shot and a vigi shot then, so i'd like to either get your input tomorrow or get you in the nightmare somehow. the second option is possible if rat dies and you make yourself look really town.

Yeah I need to up my towniness, working on that. But I will definitely give more input.

[DragonEater70]

Pagetop! so I guess it's time for a more in depth post:

Which of the following do you think would reflect good, and which do you think will sound really artificial (and this is catch 22 because asking you makes it more artificial but whatever)?
1. Come in and just catch up on posts since beginning of D2. Don't really say anything about the End of D1.
2. Come in and post about how I was away when Wheme was hammered (which is actually true) and try to analyze the hammer / look for scum on the wagon.
3. Come in and basically announce that I will be tryharding from now on and start doing full ISOs of players and making big townie posts with lots of analysis (which is actually something I do often, and especially did in the last version of Weird Dreams Mafia).
4. Something else I probably haven't thought of?

I'll hopefully not get prodded before you have a chance to reply to me, but I really want to know your opinion before I post.

[DragonEater70]

Ooops that's not a pagetop.

But this is a pagetop

[DragonEater70]

if both aureal and rat die, you're technically free to claim mason (either both of us claim or as a role swap). that could be useful if you need to eat a nightkill to get recruited or if things go really wrong and you're getting wagoned. that plan probably gets foiled if someone is treestumped though.

That is indeed very good idea.

[DragonEater70]

Okay I have this crazy plan of us shooting RR and then we later both claim masons with each other. Do you think this will work?

[DragonEater70]

i think there may be a world where i can claim you neighbourized me, figured out i was mason, and offered to fakeclaim it in my place, and it might get you recruited.
it would take coordination though, and i'm not sure it's always the right play.
i'm probably not going to post anything in thread or in mason chat until you post here, unless i get in prod range.

I love this idea because I would

definitely

neighborize you if I had a chance.

[DragonEater70]

Yeah and apparently we massclaiming which is a problem since RR isn't dead yet.

[DragonEater70]

Okay I have this crazy plan of us shooting RR and then we later both claim masons with each other. Do you think this will work?

the issue there is doubling up with scum.

Honestly it seems like maf isn't very interested in shooting the mason for whatever reason.

[DragonEater70]

well that isn’t good.
idk what i’m doing and i don’t know if we can pull off any plans like that.
might be best if i just claim 1-shot instead of 2-shot rolecop mason and play the day kind of lurky in hopes that they’ll shoot a more dangerous conftown.
what do you want to claim? i don’t know that mason will work at this point, but i can back you up on whatever.

Are you already in the hood with RR? Can you ask him if it's fine for me to claim mason, since I'm PGO and want to draw a nightkill?

[DragonEater70]

PGO neighborizer.

[DragonEater70]

Don't do it yet, just tell me if you can do it and if you think it's a good idea.

[DragonEater70]

yes, i’m in the hood, so i can at least try asking.

also doesn’t radical rat go by they/them?

No clue, I sometimes just use a random pronoun when I don't know a person's pronoun.

[DragonEater70]

i feel like neighbourizer might be a sus role in this setup but at least it would be confirmed.
also the neighbourizer would be 1-shot right?

Could be one shot or maybe I was roleblockedon N2. Dunno if it's important. Do you think it's a good idea to fake the claim or should I just claim a flavor JOAT that doesn't know what his abilities do?

[DragonEater70]

Because it wouldn't make any sense fpr me to investigate RR

[DragonEater70]

you might need to claim another ability alongside mason. maybe a stronger investigative.

Yeah I think I will

[DragonEater70]

might also want to claim x-shot activated pgo so your cover isn’t blown if you come out as pgo later and you were targeted by town.

Well the idea is we kill RR so no cover blows. But you can also tell him I'm a bomb rather than PGO.

[DragonEater70]

Okay here's my idea:
you tell RR I'm a neighborizing bomb with a 1 shot detective ability and I want to claim mason detective to lure scum to kill me. And ask if it's fine.

[DragonEater70]

Ooops that's not a pagetop.

But this is a pagetop

here’s a quote.

Awesome quote btw.

[DragonEater70]

anything specifically that you want me to suggest in nightmare? we can't use normal invention again so it's between cop, vig, and fn. people are considering checking/shooting save the dragons.

Sorry for ignoring that, but uh, why weren't you able to use the invention?

Also I'm genuinely surprised Titus was scum.

And also what's up with 2 traffic analysts.

each invention is only usable once.

i'm genuinely surprised that you were genuinely surprised, thought you were informed.

people are theorizing that they're cult cops, but there's also scum and masons and the nightmare and us so idk lol.

Btw,

I was confused because I thought you were refrring to N1 not N2 becauae I did not expect that flashwagon.

I may or may not be informed, and nevertheless I was surprised that Titus was scum.

Let them theorize, it's good for us. But yeah there are too many positive results for traffic analysts.

[DragonEater70]

Wait so ddi you ask RR for permission to claim mason? If so, hilarious.

[DragonEater70]

Btw is there even a massclaim going? Or is it only one person pushing for it?

[DragonEater70]

Wait so ddi you ask RR for permission to claim mason? If so, hilarious.

i drafted a post to put in masonry chat, let me know if this is good or you want anything changed before i post:

sorry i dropped off the face of the earth, but i'm back now. skimmed the thread, but haven't properly read it yet.
anyway, here's the deal. i got neighbourized by dragoneater70, but didn't notice the pm in my inbox until today. he noticed my obvious mason softing and i just confirmed it because it's...obvious. he's claiming bomb with a 1-shot neighbourizer and a 1-shot detective, and he wants to fakeclaim mason detective to bait a nightkill. i'm personally fine with it, but i'm obviously not going to let him go through with something like that if you're not on board. i also see you're planning to fakeclaim sheep, so this plan might conflict with that.
thoughts?

i know you haven't replied, but i'm just going to have to post this in there because i can only wait so long before it's not believable.

Fuck I just came here to ask you to hold off.

[DragonEater70]

I'll tell ypu my thought rocess even though it's too late:
Tomorrow we probably massclaim. If nobody claims the prophetic fridge, it will be assumed to be a scum ability and disregarded (I think). Therefore someone has to claim it (I mean I guess we can just ignore it, IDK). If I claim mason and/or bomb, I cannot claim this.

But it's too late since you already posted.

Tell Rat that I asked this when I thought we were going for a massclaim, but right now not planning to claim at all.

[DragonEater70]

sorry, i didn't realize. i hope i didn't screw us over.

Oh shit lol.

He literally asked you for the name to find if I was cl. This is bad.

[DragonEater70]

They* and them*
I keep using the wrong pronouns

[DragonEater70]

So I just googled "the backrooms" to find out what that was and yeah this is definitely cult flavor (and a whole rabbit hole on its own).

I. Um. Have no idea what to do.

[DragonEater70]

No I have not used it.

[DragonEater70]

Okay then we have to kill RR tonight to make sure they don't vig me later.

[DragonEater70]

This is so incredibly funny and stupid and ridiculous and beautiful.
THIS is what I play scum for.

[DragonEater70]

i'm also using the neighbourize being 1-shot as a reason you aren't cult, because it prevents you from fulfilling the alt wincon of adding everyone to the backrooms.

Good point.

[DragonEater70]

This is so incredibly funny and stupid and ridiculous and beautiful.
THIS is what I play scum for.

i'm just thinking "oh god how bad are they going to roast me postgame?"

I mean... I think it's fine. You doing fine. We're going to survive this.

[DragonEater70]

This is so incredibly funny and stupid and ridiculous and beautiful.
THIS is what I play scum for.

i'm just thinking "oh god how bad are they going to roast me postgame?"

but yeah, this is absolutely insane lol.
i'm not going to be awake much longer, i'll be around more tomorrow and will actually figure out what i want to post in thread then.

Okay cool good night and sweet dreams!

[DragonEater70]

Classic Alianna.

[DragonEater70]

Okay great.

[DragonEater70]

there's more but this should be enough evidence for now.

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

That definitely sounds like a role which exists and makes total sense and there is nothing strange here at all. Story checks out.

scum: bianco (or whoever they were being replaced by), aureal, rauth, snivy!!!

Awww, how can you rat us out like this, partner?

Wait noooo I didn't think you are ALSO going to claim mason. I think I'll be forced to unclaim mason very soon then.

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

what if...WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

why do you have to post the exact thing i was going to post?

Because WhAt If wE tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

[DragonEater70]

there's more but this should be enough evidence for now.

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

That definitely sounds like a role which exists and makes total sense and there is nothing strange here at all. Story checks out.

scum: bianco (or whoever they were being replaced by), aureal, rauth, snivy!!!

Awww, how can you rat us out like this, partner?

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

what if...WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

why do you have to post the exact thing i was going to post?

Because WhAt If wE tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

Wait noooo I didn't think you are ALSO going to claim mason. I think I'll be forced to unclaim mason very soon then.

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EBWOP

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I kinda wanted to use these as a way to explain why I neighborized you when questioned later on. Ugh.

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I mean it's not like they're secret knowledge but it would be more credible if I pointed them out by myself.

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oh god rat is getting rolestopped, that's just great.

Yeah. Do you think you can just ask to have yourself rolestopped instead? Or would it look weird?

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this is such a mess.

It is but I love the fact that we are not getting eliminated today apparently.

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Even if we are eliminated tomorrow.

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Should I post this?

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I'll neighborize Radical Rat tonight unless something serious changes in the remaining claims or something mechanical comes up.

I don't think you should say which one you are neighborizing. This way you also throw in a WIFOM element to the nightkill, I think?

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I'll neighborize Radical Rat tonight unless something serious changes in the remaining claims or something mechanical comes up.

I don't think you should say which one you are neighborizing. This way you also throw in a WIFOM element to the nightkill, I think? We want all of us alive for as long as possible. And hopefully Ranger protects me so I get an investigation in.

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I decided to just YOLO because I think this is so audacious there's no way scum!me would say it,

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Oh no they are planning to protect all three of us. This is going horribly wrong because I won't be recruited and RR won't be killed.

Tbh I think this setup is extremely townsided, might be wrong though but that's how it looks so far.

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Like having 3 protections after massclaim is just stupidly OP and not balanced at all.

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And so far I haven't seen anything special in the scum PMs.

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Like having 3 protections after massclaim is just stupidly OP and not balanced at all.

at least, if we're all protected, we both get to live and you don't get executed for being alive tomorrow lol.

Oh good point.

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oh right, the recruit. uhhhhhh idk how that's going to work lol.

rat wants to know what you're "thinking" about katy.

If i'm being honest, I'm a bit weirded out. Like it would make sense for Korina to make a decoy backrooms, but two??? Something is weird as heck here. Dayplay wise, I was townreading them somewhat on D1 but on D2 and D3 I don't

really

like their posts, though I don't hate them either. I will have to do an ISO.

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Can you please ask RR what they think of StD? I am townreading StD and thinking the lim should be one of Ircher, Snivy and Rauth (which I am still not townreading but it is possible it's just their playstyle which is naturally scummy).

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oh right, the recruit. uhhhhhh idk how that's going to work lol.

rat wants to know what you're "thinking" about katy.

If i'm being honest, I'm a bit weirded out. Like it would make sense for Korina to make a decoy backrooms, but two??? Something is weird as heck here. Dayplay wise, I was townreading them somewhat on D1 but on D2 and D3 I don't

really

like their posts, though I don't hate them either. I will have to do an ISO.

are you leaning towards the second backrooms being actual cult or a decoy?

Probably cult.

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Like I dunno but gun to head I would say there's more chance of it being cult.

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Or even a fake claim altogether.

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I mean let's see what happens overnight.

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Okay I really wanna push KKFC, can you support me on this?
We need a good lim for today to divert attention, and preferably one that will allow me to keep faking mason.

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What did you tell him my role was, exactly?

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them*

ffs

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Fuck

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I just realized it would've been a whole lot easier for me to fake claim if after saying the backrooms thing, instead of talking about KKFC you'd just told Rat that you made a mistake and I just joked about the backrooms.

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I feel we're really cornered here.

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tbh we botched the claim game big time.

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The thing is after my fake claim is no more, and KKFC is dead, I'm confirmed scum, no?
Tell Rat I want to kill KKFC anyway so I probably won't be protected at night and I still want to be night killed.

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The thing is after my fake claim is no more, and KKFC is dead, I'm confirmed scum, no?
Tell Rat I want to kill KKFC anyway so I probably won't be protected at night and I still want to be night killed.

confscum how?

Because why would there be 2 town-sided backrooms generators?

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The thing is after my fake claim is no more, and KKFC is dead, I'm confirmed scum, no?
Tell Rat I want to kill KKFC anyway so I probably won't be protected at night and I still want to be night killed.

confscum how?

do you not think we could sell the idea that there are actually two decoy backrooms after a katy green flip? i think we could.
is it a matter of too much conftown?

Yep there are too many conftown atm and honestly I think this stunt leaves me looking scummy af.

I think you should tell RR I still want to flip Katy, and if Rat still insists that I claim then I'll claim.

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Gonna head to bed early (or at least, before 1 AM), good night!

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i haven’t posted anything yet in masonry.
i think i will have a difficult time convincing them to let you keep claiming mason.
i think the role i said you claimed and the nk-bait plan makes you look non-cult even in the event of a kkfc green flip.
i think it might even make you look like a traitor to maf who are looking for you. neighbourizing a probable mason to ask if you can claim mason detective to bait an nk is definitely a traitor kind of plan. i guess maf may not want to risk the bomb claim though.

rat is currently leaning towards not claiming the bomb part,

but i could convince them it’s necessary for context if you think it looks better.
however, i’m not going to do any of that without clearance from you, because last time i did that is how we got into this mess in the first place.

p-edit: yeah that is a good point. i thought maybe we could get away with saying “mod is a troll” or something.

So what exactly do they want me to do? Could you give me exactly their thoughts?

Also, I have a VERY important question: to your knowledge, is RR immune to culting? Because if not, I would like to push KKFC saying I don't want them to just cult the masons.

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i'm just going to hope for your sake that scum isn't exactly ircher/rauth.

Oh...

About that.

Um.

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Let's eliminate KKFC, okay?
Look I won't be upset with you if you sell me out to the town, just a bit sad.

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rat is planning to let it go until the nightmare and explain there instead. they figure we should be able to deal with whatever is going on with the cult tomorrow.

Let what go precisely?

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we asked. korina could not answer.

I'm going to reveal this in the thread and ask to eliminate KKFC.

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i just don't think i can rationalize knowing the identities of the entire mafia team and not selling them out. it's like a big red button that says "win the game" (well, almost, we still have to deal with cult).

Oh, I know. Which is why I lied. Or did I?

But it's definitely why I didn't answer when you asked if I know who's scum.

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I'm sorry but we lovers need to stick together :p

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I need to check out the main thread.

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Do you mind explaining this?

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Does this look like a slip to anyone else?

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Well here's proof the N2 nightmare had zero scum.

Obviously, nobody answer him.

I don't think it impacts your ability to sell me out in any way, if you wish to try sell me out .

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uhhh. that's interesting.
also what's with the bomb claim?

So, basically I dumbly typed it out. Then I was like wtf am I gonna post it. Then I was like yeah I will post it and it will look natural because it WAS natural.

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why'd you ask morning tweet to cult you?

Oh, that was just RVS.

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you need to make up a flavour name for your role and claim it in the nightmare. i said what your abilities are but didn’t give that part.

Will do shortly

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Why does anyone want to inquiry me? We should kill the obvious cult leader which is KKFC.

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I'll check the PT now.

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Okay I claimed.
Do we want to kill anyone or not right now?

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Dude this is so intensssse.

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we’re just going to ignore the fact that i said you were 1-shot and haven’t used it.
like, literally ignore it. because that’s all we can do.

You said that? Oops.

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Okay I claimed.
Do we want to kill anyone or not right now?

i’ll look at stuff and figure that out once i actually have computer access. i’m currently 7ish hours into a 10-hour road trip.

Enjoy your road trip! Or at least the destination. I am sure it is not fun to be squashed in a car for 10 hours.

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

Why??? No this is a horrible idea. And I still think KKFC is cult. Do you want me culted?

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Actually pretty sure from my POV the cult is fixed now.

DE70/Abnegation cult
? scum

Abnegation. I really like you as a person. But for the love of god. Why did you claim our neighborhood name as Backrooms. WHYYYYYYYY

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Oh shit I'm sorry if quoting this breaks some rules because it's quoting a PT.

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I didn't mean to do that.

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

Why??? No this is a horrible idea. And I still think KKFC is cult. Do you want me culted?

i thought the alien was different from getting culted.

Nope.

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Actually pretty sure from my POV the cult is fixed now.

DE70/Abnegation cult
? scum

Abnegation. I really like you as a person. But for the love of god. Why did you claim our neighborhood name as Backrooms. WHYYYYYYYY

i’m so sorry lol.
uhhh maybe just shade katy for accusing a mason.

Nah I am done with this. I'm legit so annoyed right now because I'm not even cult. It's like scum caught for the wrong reasons, but I'm not even the correct type of scum.

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

Why??? No this is a horrible idea. And I still think KKFC is cult. Do you want me culted?

i thought the alien was different from getting culted.

Nope.

where did you get that information? or is it a theory?

It's what Katy claimed.

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Oh shit I'm sorry if quoting this breaks some rules because it's quoting a PT.

It’s a PT both of y’all are in, it’s ok /gen

Thanks /gen

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ugh. why didn't i just say our pt was called purgatory?

I have not the faintest of clues.

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BTW did you like the flavor of my fake claim? I felt it was genius because it managed to somehow combine all of my abilities together with he backrooms thing.

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You know, at this point I'm tempted to just claim my true role and help town find the real CL rather than argue with KKFC.

@Mod does doing this break the rules?

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

Why??? No this is a horrible idea. And I still think KKFC is cult. Do you want me culted?

i thought the alien was different from getting culted.

Nope.

where did you get that information? or is it a theory?

It's what Katy claimed.

i'm not following. i know katy claimed alien and we suspect them of being cult, but does that mean they're culting the players they claim to have alien'd? cult pt was also called the liminal space last time, not the backrooms, and idk why anyone would want to fake having a pt called the backrooms.

Okay sorry maybe I mixed it up. katy claimed COMBINED alien neighborizer. Meaning he neighborizes the same person he alienizes.

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They could totally be culting other people but I don't think they are.

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They could totally be culting other people but I don't think they are.

(also the additional backrooms wincon isn't in the cult pm this game)

True, but the main wincon is also different (control half the living players rather than being the only living players).

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WTF happened to that post. That is a really weird glitch.

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You know, at this point I'm tempted to just claim my true role and help town find the real CL rather than argue with KKFC.

@Mod does doing this break the rules?

i'm not the mod, but i'll guess probably.

I'll wait for mod answer but if I can't do it I'll probably replace out because I'm not enjoying this one bit.

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You know, at this point I'm tempted to just claim my true role and help town find the real CL rather than argue with KKFC.

Okay mod says she's fine with me doing this as long as you are fine with it.

So, you good with this?

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@Abnegation

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Huh.

K I think it's game over. Enjoy the win.

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but <3

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Abnegation, any redactions? I have none.