Newbie 2112 | Ed Sheeran | Postgame

[furtiveglance]

Newbie 2112 | Ed Sheeran

Moderators: furtiveglance and Alianna| List Moderator: PenguinPower

combined Mod ISO

Player List:

Cometbright

DragonEater70

(He/Him)

IcetFeelsPain

(He/Him)

OMIGRON

(He)

patchwork

(they/them)

Not Known 15 (SE)

AurorusVox (SE)

(He/Him)

Roden (SE)*

(He/Him)

Gamma Emerald

(She/Her)

Salsabil Faria

(She/Her)

Bellaphant (SE)

bolded=confirmed, strike=replaced, asterisks=prods

Spoiler: Alive

Cometbright

DragonEater70

(He/Him)

patchwork

(they/them)

Not Known 15 (SE)

Bellaphant (SE)

Spoiler: No longer with us

IcetFeelsPain,

Mafia Goon

, was eliminated Day 1.
OMIGRON,

Town Tracker

, was eliminated Day 2.
AurorusVox,

Vanilla Townie

, died Night 2.
Salsabil Faria,

Mafia Roleblocker

, was eliminated Day 3.

Spoiler: Events

Day 1 starts
Day 1 ends
Day 2 starts
Day 2 ends
Day 3 starts
Day 3 ends

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Rules

Taken from Plotinus, who was inspired by Equinox's, Glork's and Ether's rulesets.

important bit

• Day 1: up to 10 days, Day 2+ up to 7 days, Night: 48 hours.
  
• Majority eliminations
  
• 36 hours before prod, 24 hours before replacement, 24 hour weekends
  
• I have some unusual rules about animated GIFs, tiny text, and prodging. Scroll down for details.
  
• Don’t be a dick

1. Follow all site rules.
   
   
2. Mod colour
   – My mod colour is
   dark blue
   ; don't use it.
   
3. Behaviour
   - Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself eliminated if you try it.
   
4. Don't talk about ongoing games
   - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
   
5. Animated GIFs
   - are of the devil, but they are permitted behind spoilers if clearly labelled as such.
   
6. Tiny text
   - is also of the devil, keep it 70+ please.
   
7. Provable randomness
   - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.
   
8. Claiming scum
   - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.
   
9. Cryptography
   - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.
   
10. Confirmation
    - You have about 72 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.
    
11. Days
    - Day 1 lasts 10 days and other days last 7 days. Extensions may be granted if there are replacements, or if the majority of players make it clear to me that an extension is desired.
    
12. Activity
    - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. The activity timers run at half-speed on weekends. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.
    
13. Vacation/Limited Access
    If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declare
    V/LA
    in bold in the thread like this: [
    b]

    @Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday

    [
    /b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 54 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.
    
14. Prodging
    - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
    
15. Quoting
    - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.
    
16. Voting
    - Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Plotinus or
    Vote: Plotinus
    . Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [
    v]Plotinus[
    /v] to vote and [
    uv]Plotinus[
    /uv] to unvote.
    
17. Elimination
    - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to eliminate somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no elimination, the day will end without an elimination. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no elimination.
    
18. Twilight
    - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.
    
19. Night
    - Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.
    
20. Action submissions
    - You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.
    
21. Reminders
    - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.
    
22. Play to win
    - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!

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Setup Info

Newbie Setup

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setup List

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Sample Role PMs (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner, [player], share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You and your partner, [player], share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome to the game, [player]!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner, [player], share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

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Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

All role PMs have been sent out (in the order of the signup list so timestamps mean nothing)! We will start in (expired on 2023-02-09 00:30:06) or when [8/9] people have confirmed, whichever happens sooner.

The above clock and any others used throughout this game will be accurate from the time you loaded the page.

[Alianna]

I HAVE THE POWER!

[furtiveglance]

Welcome

8/9 have confirmed.

patchwork has now also confirmed.

Welcome to the game, everyone!

• Pronouns: You can adjust them in the User Control Panel. Please use other players' preferred pronouns.
  
  
• Flavour: The flavour for this game is Ed Sheeran songs. This has no bearing on the mechanics or roles of the game.
  
  
• Questions: If you have any, feel free to ask - either in the game thread (this one) or privately.

1.01

Votecount 1.01

Not Voting (9):

Cometbright, DragonEater70, IcetFeelsPain, OMIGRON, patchwork, Not Known 15, AurorusVox, Roden, Bellaphant.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-02-18 21:40:41)

Flavour

[Cometbright]

VOTE: DragonEater70

Because I love dragons.

[DragonEater70]

Good morning everyone!

I also like dragons. Here's a poem I wrote about them:

Spoiler: poem

Dragonfire

The heroes tremble in terror
As they behold the horror
A giant, scaly monster
In its eyes an evil luster

The temperature's rising
It's eyes are analyzing
It can think, it can speak
Its strength is at its peak

A sinister whisper fills the room
The so called heroes accept their doom
One deep breath and its over
All has burnt, there's no survivor

Btw, I'm intending to vote the next person who posts after my post

[DragonEater70]

EBWOP: I changed my mind. I will VOTE: IcetFeelsPain because it's outrageous to claim that ice tea feels anything but pleasure upon being consumed.

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: DragonEater70

Because I love dragons.

VOTE: DragonEater70

[DragonEater70]

NK, that's just lazy! C'mon man, bring in some conversation.

[AurorusVox]

NK is that an RVS vote or a serious vote?

I wrote a poem too:

Declaring you’ll vote
The next person to post
Makes me think of us all,
That you are the most
Likely person to be sus,
Especially when
You changed for an omgus.
Plus why is NK lazy
For laying down a vote
Without any additional
Conversational bloat?
It might be very bold,
But what I want to do
Is declare with this vote
That you’re at E-2.

VOTE: dragoneater

[DragonEater70]

Okay three things:
1. Isn't omgus when you vote for someone who votes for you? I didn't do that.
2. Yeah I changed my mind because voting for the next person is scummy and I didn't want to come across as scum.
3. I assume that NK's vote is an RVS vote. To me, if he doesn't put any reasoning behind it then it doesn't advance us out of RVS. Therefore lazy.

Also, nice poem!

[AurorusVox]

UNVOTE:
You’re right it was early and I got mixed up. You can have a town cookie for now.

[AurorusVox]

How does your comment that accompanied your vote advance us out of RVS?

[DragonEater70]

How does your comment that accompanied your vote advance us out of RVS?

Well, it's less the comment and more the reaction that I got.
Right now I have a slight townread on you because of your reaction. I definitely won't put you in the 100% toen category, not even 90%, but I do have a townread on you.
specifically, because it is quite bold as you said to put me at E-2, and I don't think scum would do it.

On the other hand, it could be WIFOM, and you did accuse me of something I didn't do.

[Roden]

VOTE: Dragoneater

I'm feeling a little

bold

[Roden]

Good morning everyone!

I also like dragons. Here's a poem I wrote about them:

Spoiler: poem

Dragonfire

The heroes tremble in terror
As they behold the horror
A giant, scaly monster
In its eyes an evil luster

The temperature's rising
It's eyes are analyzing
It can think, it can speak
Its strength is at its peak

A sinister whisper fills the room
The so called heroes accept their doom
One deep breath and its over
All has burnt, there's no survivor

Btw, I'm intending to vote the next person who posts after my post

This makes my vote not RVS btw. I don't care for "promised" votes or gimmicky RVS votes, it's an easy way to taker the pressure off of yourself and obscure your thought process.

[DragonEater70]

Roden, you are absolutely right, which is why I changed strategy and repented.

You are allowed to vote me of course, but do remember it's my first game here and I might just make a mistake like that.

[Roden]

"Mistake" is an odd way to put it but I guess it's technically true. I don't think it's alignment indicative though to recognize that you made a mistake.

[AurorusVox]

@dragoneater

The fact you changed because you knew it was scummy doesn’t really change the fact you did it, and if anything, it shows you are more aware of your actions and the care you’ve taken to retract could suggest a scum mindset as you suddenly regret revealing your hand so soon. That being said, there is a town explanation for it too, so overall NAI is probably fair for the recognition of the “mistake,” like Roden says.

I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt because I saw the change more as scummy when combined with the OMGUS which was a mistake on my part, and I like the way you responded to the initial pressure. But equally I don’t want my omgus error to blind me to the scummy behaviour that was there to begin with; so I’ll file it away as something to keep an eye on as the game progresses.

———

Roden is town.
NK is probably town.

[DragonEater70]

"Mistake" is an odd way to put it but I guess it's technically true. I don't think it's alignment indicative though to recognize that you made a mistake.

Okay, that's true, but I don't think not wanting to sound scummy is indicative of alignment, either.

And I'm probably hypocritical as heck right now (since I am doing it myself while writing this), but it feels to me like like you've solidified your opinion about me and nothing I could do or say would ever convince you that I am not scum.
Which is rather unfortunate and also feels slightly unfair.

The funny thing is I completely understand where you are coming from, so I can't even refute your reasons for believing I am scum. Therefore, I am not going to try because I know they are valid.

However, I will say that in the theoretical (from your viewpoint) case that I am not scum, I think it would be rather wise to unvote me. Otherwise the scum can just join in the wagon (or just lurk) and blend in perfectly. Idk if that makes much sense from your viewpoint.

Heh, that ended up being much longer than I intended. Anyway,

Roden is town.
NK is probably town.

May I ask what makes you assert that Roden is town while NK is only "probably" town? Like where is the confidence coming from?

And Vox, as to the other things you said, I thank you for the compliment about handling the pressure and agree that my retraction of my strategy is probably NAI.

[DragonEater70]

@other peope,

It would be really nice if you talked.

[Cometbright]

The funny thing is I completely understand where you are coming from, so I can't even refute your reasons for believing I am scum. Therefore, I am not going to try because I know they are valid.

I don't like this bit at all - no matter what context I try to read it from, it gives me bad vibes. Also for what it's worth, anyone who theoretically hammers you

this

early into the game would be such blatant scumplay that I can't see any justification for it even if you did outright admit to being mafia in your next post - we've still got 9 days of discussion to use after all.

I do agree with your latter post though - come on other people!

[DragonEater70]

I thought someone might think that way.

What I meant was - I am definitely not scum. However, there's a reason I changed strategy and that is because my initial strategy

was

scummy.

I

know it was scummy, Roden knows it was scummy, Vox knows it was scummy and I'm sure even you know it was a scummy strat. Now, making a scummy move does not make you automatically scum. I think many good town players make scummy moves, sometimes intentionally! (If you don't understand why, I recommend looking at the mafia wiki article for WIFOM)

The point is, I am not gonna say that Roden is wrong about my play being scummy, because he is not. I am, however, going to continue to play the game and hopefully be successful enough in my townhunting and scumhunting to convince ya'll that I'm a townie.