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Wow fear killed that quickly, huh? Or maybe it was the result of my BG shot?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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More seriously I consider it HIGHLY likely Nero was shot last night. Part of why I used the BG shot was that if he wasn't shot, his SK equity went through the roof. Him getting shot there suggests that he's probably exactly what he said he was.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Like, 10% chance I was actually shot for some bizarre reason and 90% chance I explicitly saved Nero last night. Not sure if town will realize that I almost certainly BG'd Nero or Giga, and probably Nero for the claim. We'll see I guess.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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btw, when I say stuff like "I take generally solid night actions" (cough, cough, open 646), the BG on Nero would be a good example. That's mechanically the correct play there, especially given the possibility of SK equity. I didn't ever spend all that much time reading the game, since I figured that if Nero was shot I'd die, and if he wasn't, then I needed to look a lot harder at an SK possibility.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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@Shadow: I agree with you that day talk makes a game more fun, and I like to have it in my games. That said, wrt balance you're wrong.
Town:
Tracker
3-shot GS
2-shot BG
2-shot vig
VT's
Scum:
Vanilla Cop
Goon
Goon?
With this power distribution, it's scum-sided by MS standards. Compare it to the game I modded:
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Tracker
Doctor
Vig
1-shot BP
Scum:
Encryptor
1-shot Strongman
Goon
Doctor/full vig/BP is much stronger than 2-shot vig / 3-shot GS / 2-shot BG (BG is a crap power, mainly a +1 to give town a very little extra something that SOMETIMES dovetails with other powers in a temporarily useful way, i.e. to give a useful town PR one more night after outing). Tracker is a relatively weak investigative role in a game this size, especially with at least one scum power that can visit. Scum vanilla cop is a pretty useful power IMO, because it can be used to find PR's much quicker and because it can reasonably be used in a seemingly townie way.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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One of the big edges to scum in a normal game is that it's not an open setup, so they can fake claim (Maria can speak to this pretty effectively ). That tactical option is a really big deal, especially in a setup where frankly most of the town power sucks. The vig can easily hit a town PR (it's a real down side to having a vig), the GS can get a fake guilty on a vig, and the tracker can get a fake inno on the vanilla cop.
Now, i don't know for sure that the last wolf is a goon, but balance wise I'd pretty much assume it to be the case. A mafia doctor would be REALLY unbalanced IMO given the general lack of town power, especially since it drastically nerfs the vig (1/3 chance of getting a mafia kill blocked by the doc IF he shoots mafia) and the gunsmith (false inno). That'd be way too much scum power against the limited town power. So it's probably just VC/goon/goon, and I guess that means likely elyse then?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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There was one time I subbed in and claimed full cop (in a game where all the cops were conditional one-shot) with a "missing" peek and then blamed it on my predecessor. Somehow didn't get lynched. That was the most fun I've ever had as a wolf
subbed in here
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... post360343
and was shamelessly useless and took wolfy in-thread shots (you could day vig in this game, but with really low accuracy), and yet survived to the end. Was greatShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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I'd venture a guess but that would involve reading and thinkingShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Thor used zero shots. Not entirely sure why but again, wasn't reading carefully so idk.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Well, I guess karnos also being a town pr would be weird. Otoh if he's just ascetic townie it's such an odd power, could well see him getting policied for it. Five town PRs itself can create doubt about whether the roles are legit or not. Though it does argue against fake claiming being useful I guess...Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Anyway my death conf towns Nero if ever there was doubt. No way does sk Nero randomly shoot me there.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Did I just get the easiest win ever? Crossing fingers...Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Just skimming, karnos's lazy meaningless vanity vote on shadow (which is quickly abandoned) seems to mimic his lazy meaningless vanity vote on wolf bro transcend in open 646. so from that alone I could see a connection.
Also skimming karnos ISO...
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8321634 talking ABOUT shadow not TO shadow
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8347634 mediocre question to shadow
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8356222 easy question to ask to shadow
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8363862 meh interaction
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8363871, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8363906, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8363914 plausible distancing/bussing posts
At the least, karnos isn't making his interactions with his buddies numerous and looking good (though not as blatant as in 646 w trans). Could easily be the last wolf.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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btw IF karnos was actually ascetic goon I'd call the setup scum-sided by MS standards.
Two mafia PR's, including one investigative (that can be verified as an actual role by the tracker) and a second that is immune to BOTH town investigative roles... that's a lot of scum power against town power that basically sucks (ZERO ability to stop night kills [BG only switches the victim unlike doc/JK], and the potential to vig PR's, and the potential for the BG to accidentally save scum). If the vig doesn't kill scum, and does kill at least one villager that scum aren't simultaneously shooting (and that happens reasonably often), then scum only need three mislynches to win. A game that can potentially be won D3 is a pretty nice edge, plus gunsmith gets a false guilty and one block.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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definitely possible. Twilight trolling is fun, highly recommendedIn post 129, Transcend wrote:Shadow's trolling I bet lolShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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I'd still hold up IV's fake scum claim at
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7983722
as a fantastic example of effort. Amusingly, BTD's reaction was garbage but somehow got town read, but kappy (the other wolf) reacted really well, and was a big part of why they won. So fake scum claims don't always work that well, but it can still be fun to mess with the board (if you guys lynched me final 5 in 646 I was definitely going to do an actual effort at a fake scum claim FWIW).Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Unless you're trolling I disagree. That's a plausible setup spec lynch I think.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Wifom kills in MYLO/LYLO do happen though. Would be a bit annoying to eat a loss here, though in fairness it's not like I did all that much to earn to a winShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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I find kill motive is abut clearer in early days. When you only need one mislynch, wifom kills can be effective.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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I think I'm going to be amused regardless of result here. I've had a bunch of losses as town I completely didn't deserve, this was basically a drive by either way.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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wait, there was a gunsmith guilty and thor didn't BG the gunsmith? umm...Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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yeah now I'm REALLY glad I BG'd the guy who got shot. Justifying the non protect would have been hard mode.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Don't think soShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Gigas now either scum or conf!town, making no lynch pointless.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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No no I'm the last one. Mod trolled with my flip, everyone knows that bg has to be unbalanced here.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Calling it evidence against elyse being wolf is fine. Calling it lock anything is imo silly.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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One of the nice things about mylo/ lylo a one wolf left is you can really dig into the game state and see who does or doesn't make sense. Part of why I enjoy late game fwiw.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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No idea. It vaguely reminds me of postie's mysterious spreadsheet. Probably worth asking post game.
That said, there's nothing clearing about shadows rvs vote on kraska. It's super easy to cast a "l-1" vote that is very obviously not l-1.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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One of the most powerful weapons in scum arsenal.In post 200, Shadow_step wrote:It is called conf bias mhShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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That's practically a scum claim from kraska.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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I don't think I would unless I was clear town read and even then I'd feel slimy about it.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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And a cheap win if you're scumShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Unless it's just a careless moment. But yeah fair point.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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I mean they'd had a TR on me for a lot of the game tooShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Guess it wasn't kraska after allShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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In post 2553, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:although having mhsmith here would be really nice because he's good at lyloShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Go town!Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Subs in, dies, losesShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Locking w/o flipping is weird though.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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I really don't get why towns get super lazy late game so often. Just so weird imo; to me it's the MOST interesting part.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
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- Balancing Act
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- Location: Phoenix, AZ
2.5 hours after lock and no flip?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
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- Location: Phoenix, AZ
If it's mechanically possible to hit next day, like a secret bp, then run night. Else just end it. Or explicitly say you're running speed deadlines and end it when you get the kill order. Waiting 48 hours is basically point less.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
- Posts: 10830
- Joined: March 7, 2016
- Location: Phoenix, AZ
Also the victory condition matters. If it's "majority or nothing can prevent it, then game is presumably won.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
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- Joined: March 7, 2016
- Location: Phoenix, AZ
Either way you should flip lynch asap, say night has fallen, and if you want/need to end game you can.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
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- Location: Phoenix, AZ
Presumably.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
- Balancing Act
- Posts: 10830
- Joined: March 7, 2016
- Location: Phoenix, AZ
I think in zero worlds a wolf doesn't hammer ftw there.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
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