Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[BuJaber]

Wait for the 3 others to post. We will get to the truth.

[Mathdino]

Wait acryon your Not_Mafia argument sucks.

Here's a compendium of N_M posts in a high stress MyLo with his arch-mafia-nemesis Mathdino trying to mislynch him upon arrival.

Spoiler:

Lynch it, lynch it with fire

And yes I know that random guess scumteam is pretty fucking wrong but it was a daystart guess cuz NSG was curious

So fake

I thought it was Hopkirk when day started but I've thought it was flubb since sheep scumclaim

I have sheep and not mafia meta that only works when I'm not in the game because they adapt their meta to my presence
So I need to do that

Sheep is claimed scum, no one cares

You know when you're about to leave a party and then you don't, then you get trapped in an incredibly long-winded and pointless conversation with another guest and spend the whole time wishing you'd just left when you had the chance. This is that moment.

Town Mathdino doesn't pass up the opportunity for a good old fashioned pissing contest

I can't do it guys, I can't make serious posts only

Because I didn't have a role pm yet

Like had my slot not replaced out I'd be scumreading it

The lurkout and lack of anyone screaming for a replacement made me go

Oh fucking shit that slot is town and it's gonna be me isn't it
Fakkk

Sooooooo fake omg

VOTE: Sheep

Fine let's be boring

I really REALLY want to lynch Mathdino but I'm going to do the "right thing"

Okay no fuck this

VOTE: Mathdino

VOTE: Sheep

VOTE: Math

Sheep is literally claimed scum, there is no Hopkirk/Fire/Me possibility

I don’t see any of the arguments as compelling or interesting at all, just dilettante word vomit. The only time you’ve done anything with any conviction was when you accused Fire of talking about ongoing games, this isn’t town Mathdino the LyLo saviour swooping in to save the helpless visigoths in the town, it’s scum Math chatting shit.

Also there are no conf towns, not even Kat and HEM, but Flubber certainly isn’t

My vote isn’t moving, so you can carry on this unrequited 1v1 or you can just vote the claimed scum

It’s taking all my impulse control not to vote Math

sheep, why didn't you ever get to sorting Hopkirk in particular?

Why are you asking claimed scum about their reads?

No. I'm irritated

Why do you think I'm scum/might be scum/could be scum or wherever your read is at?

I think Sheep is a valuable scum PR btw, scum's clearly wants one of the 1v1s forced through today

I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption

I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire

Mathdino did scumclaim yes, several other times too

Perfect example is Hopkirk who suddenly became more enlightened than the Dalai Lama tripping balls on LSD once I started making real arguments for sheep/Hop/N_M.

Yes who has been calling the team sheep/Fire/Me and pushing

me

as the lynch, he's made no attempt to get Fire, his theoretical mislynch in your scenario, lynched

You're literally arguing "town-Mathdino wouldn't rule out me/Fire as a scumteam" which is...

I'm arguing that you thinking that Fire and I couldn't pull a scum theatre gambit is transparently bullshit

pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion

Lynch scum, not me, not refuse to vote conf scum when we still have 8 players and what? 4 or 5 players unclaimed?

Okay cool, lynch me because Math makes long posts with words in them, his arguments are crap and his commentary on me and what he thinks I'd do is transparently bogus. Just do me a favour and lynch the confirmed scum first

what reason do scum have to waffle

obviously here n_m!scum would be trying to look town in the first place by unvoting so i guess it's kind of a dumb question but i dont think saying "scum would stick to their guns" is an unreasonable assumption, theyre the ones who come into the game with a planned agenda in mind

Scum can't plan shit. Look at the timestamps on that interaction; it was all within a span of minutes. Turbospeed.

I'm arguing that N_M knew Fire was town already and was setting him up to fall.

But then he realised Fire wouldn't go down so easily and 1v1ing Fire would have the strong potential to just confirm N_M as scum down the line.

None of it was planned because he didn't plan for Fire's fakeclaim.

Math is now moving the goalposts to distract from his bullshit argument. No one is saying we did plan it, just that your argument that we couldn't was manure

monkey am i being too easily swayed? where am i going wrong?

Renaming myself monkey temporarily.

Yes, seriously go over Math's posts with a fresh mind, there's nothing there, it's all style no substance

I'm gonna piss myself if Math is actually town, both out of hilarity and frustration

Town Dino doesn't attempt to justify his play to me, he just laughs at me and talks about policy lynches

And fire still isn't conftown, conf is a strong word, can we please not use it on just extremely strong reads

What seems weird to you about stuff I've done Kat? List some things and I can explain them to you

I honestly don't remember where exactly my read was, I wanted to lynch Hopkirk that day but wanted to see the results of a Seph wagon, I think I had Seph as a scum lean and then he self hammered

Your slot was basically a non-presence until you subbed in

Your mum is a non-presence

Scum tend to interact with partners who are playing and partners who aren't

His play is completely different. Idk what you're smokin.

[BuJaber]

So TW you believe A50 over kthx?

Where did A50 go?

[Kthxbye]

Pretend for a second I have super town cred and claim this. Is there any way A50 isn't lying with all the claims we've had today?

[Not_Mafia]

Pretend for a second I have super town cred

lol

[Not_Mafia]

Still making no attempt to explain why he thought A50 must have made the kill

[Kthxbye]

So TW you believe A50 over kthx?

Where did A50 go?

A50 is doomed today or tomorrow. He's not going to post anymore as you not give town more posts to examine

[Almost50]

Add mastina to the list since she claimed to have a roleblock. Don't remember that she said she used it so let's see what she says about kthx.

Why does it matter? He claims to have got a result/ If he had been RB'd he should've got "No Result". That's actually my point. A "No Result" is not incriminating, while "You Saw Nothing" is.

[Kthxbye]

Still making no attempt to explain why he thought A50 must have made the kill

I said IF he took an action as he says, it was the NK. My PR says he didn't use an ability last night so what else is there he could have done as town last night that doesnt make him lying scum?

[Kthxbye]

Add mastina to the list since she claimed to have a roleblock. Don't remember that she said she used it so let's see what she says about kthx.

Why does it matter? He claims to have got a result/ If he had been RB'd he should've got "No Result". That's actually my point. A "No Result" is not incriminating, while "You Saw Nothing" is.

You see an RB claim?

[Not_Mafia]

I said IF he took an action as he says, it was the NK. My PR says he didn't use an ability last night so what else is there he could have done as town last night that doesnt make him lying scum?

Why is a kill not an ability? And the most logical explanation is that A50 got blocked, why did you jump to, "he must have done the NK which is an action but not an action"

Also ignoring questions about getting "no result"

Kthnxbye has ballsed up his claim and has put himself in an untennable position

[Kthxbye]

1382 is floundering btw. Grasping at anything to not be tomorrow's lynch when I flip town

[BuJaber]

Okay regardless of who is lying.. consider this


If kthx flips scum - does that townclear A50? (No)
If kthx flips town - does that confirm A50 scum (yes barring kthx did't get blocked)

If A50 flips scum - does that townclear kthx? (Yes)
If A50 flips town - does that cofirm kthx scum? (Barring kthx didn't get blocked)

A50 lynch objectively better

[Not_Mafia]

Add mastina to the list since she claimed to have a roleblock. Don't remember that she said she used it so let's see what she says about kthx.

Why does it matter? He claims to have got a result/ If he had been RB'd he should've got "No Result". That's actually my point. A "No Result" is not incriminating, while "You Saw Nothing" is.

You see an RB claim?

This is literally meaningless, either you got no result or you didn't. No result isn't the same as A50 went no where, or A50 took no action etc...

[the worst]

So TW you believe A50 over kthx?

I have a scumlean vibe from Kthx and I can't read A50. I'd rather he be sorted by investigation but failing that I'll sheep Math on him if I'm comfortable.

HOWEVER Math needs to check himself that he's not confirmation biased towards supporting his meta vibe read because Kthx's soft result makes no senseeeeeee

[Mathdino]

@Mod: What result would a hypothetical Follower receive in the following situations:

A. The Follower is successfully roleblocked.
B. The target does nothing.
C. The target uses, for example, a rolecop ability and also makes a factional kill.
D. The target solely uses a rolecop ability.
E. The target solely makes a factional kill.
F. The target is a ninja and makes a factional kill.

@TW: I don't think anyone's a Lyncher here.

[Not_Mafia]

@mod- What result would a follower get if they followed someone who took no action that night

[acryon]

His play is completely different. Idk what you're smokin.

I guess I don't see the difference?

Okay regardless of who is lying.. consider this


If kthx flips scum - does that townclear A50? (No)
If kthx flips town - does that confirm A50 scum (yes barring kthx did't get blocked)

If A50 flips scum - does that townclear kthx? (Yes)
If A50 flips town - does that cofirm kthx scum? (Barring kthx didn't get blocked)

A50 lynch objectively better

What...by this logic we shoud literally always lynch the accuser in a 1v1, because the accused flipping likely clears the accuser but not the other way around.

[Almost50]

So, while I may be incorrect in Almost performing kill, he certainly DID NOT use an ability lady night. Therefore he is lying. Zero reason to lie about this as town

Well, I DID take an action, and I'm not disclosing it still. THAT is what I had expected. You got NO RESULT. That does not mean I did the kill or that I'm Scum. I have the most simple explanation ever, but I'll hold on a little bit longer.

Remember: Err.. never mind.

[the worst]

Ok that is the post I was just about to ask someone less lazy to do.
Math<3

[BuJaber]

I can't decide who's lying here. So if you show me how kthx is an objectively better lynch i'll switch my vote.

Pedit - yes acryon why not? If it is truly 1v1 and we have no other reasons to stringly townread or scumread one of them then that is always the better option

[Mathdino]

I have a scumlean vibe from Kthx and I can't read A50. I'd rather he be sorted by investigation but failing that I'll sheep Math on him if I'm comfortable.

He literally already got sorted by investigation. You're just not believing it.

The Follower claim makes perfect sense. I almost fakeclaimed Follower in a scumgame. It detects what kind of action you used.

The only action that could get past the follower is a ninja-kill. Hence, A50 either did not actually use an action, or performed a ninja kill (unlikely, but would imply that scum roleblocked me).

Edit: WHY WOULD YOU SWITCH YOUR VOTE WITHOUT AN A50 CLAIM

[Mathdino]

Guys this isn't hard.

If we have an investigative claim out of the blue a guilty on a random universal nullread (or a difficult to sort slot), YOU DON'T FUCKING LYNCH THE INVESTIGATIVE. WHAT THE HELL.

You lynch the guilty ALWAYS, and then lynch the investigative if wrong.

How often do you seriously see scum fake guilties?

[Kthxbye]

Then fucking get on with it and watch the flip.

And I swear, if the floundering gets A50 of the hook tomorrow... just surrender the game.

MOD: is the result of the follower ability different between seeing no action taken and having the follower ability role blocked. If so, can you give each type of result?

[the worst]

This is not a gladiate.

Wait for Gamma's reply to Math


pedit hold on I thought last night was agreed as a strongman kill..... Is a strongman ninja kill seriously conceivable?