Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: Dunn's votes

Marquis (1)

~ Dunnstral 29

Marquis (2)

~ Dunnstral, Llamarble 56

Marquis (3)

~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie 66

Marquis (4)

~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie, Davsto 77

Marquis (5)

~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie, Davsto, Gamma Emerald 85

Marquis (4)

~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Davsto, Gamma Emerald 85(204)

Marquis (3)

~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Davsto 77(231)

Marquis (2)

~ Dunnstral, Llamarble 56

Postie (2)

~ Srceenplay, Dunnstral 303

Marquis (4)

~ Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 427

Marquis (3)

~ Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral 427(474)

Marquis (2)

~ Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral 427(626)

Srceenplay (4)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 646(654)

Srceenplay (5)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald 702

Srceenplay (6)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire 713

Srceenplay (7)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire, Llamarble 722

Srceenplay (6)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire, Llamarble 722(736)

Srceenplay (5)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire 713(798)

Srceenplay (5)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble 886(961)

Srceenplay (6)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru 1026

Srceenplay (7)

~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru, Gamma Emerald 1213

Srceenplay (8)

~

Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru, Gamma Emerald, Cogito Ergo Sum

1217

We see Dunn not moving their initial RVS vote on Marquis until the wagon is collapsed. We then see a quick on and off vote for postie, probably thinking chill is going to end up getting TR, and thinking the postie wagon might take off, and then we see Dunn go back to Marquis when it looks like the marquis wagon could actually be a lynch here again. When that wagon just collapses down to the two Scum buddies, Dunn decides it would be a good idea to hop on another Town wagon that is building steam (Tchill).

What we can see here is that Dunn shows absolutely no conviction with their votes - they seem to just be voting what is popular D1.

EBWOP, had to make a switch in the vote oder. This one should be correct.

We can also say Gamma is probably Town here considering his hop off hop on when there is no Scum incentive to do this.

[ActionDan]

Alright I'll probably give this game a good amount of attention and not become too complacent. Have to adjust to the mod kill giving scum an effective mislynch. Also I fully recognize that a non-me mislynch today would I'm pretty sure make my own mislynch viable the next, so it's very important not to get it wrong for me. I still think my rather hard town reads are correct. Aka, Davsto/LQ/Shea. So today's the day I actually go read gamma. The other things to do are to look closely at VCA and solidify whether Marquis was bussed by CES or was as NSG has argued scum's perennial mislynch since that's a serious possibility and would be the first place I'd look aside from Dunn/Ran.

[ActionDan]

Also Hi Shadoweh. ^_^ I promise I'm town THIS time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team

Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: Dunn's votes D2

EddieFenix (5)

~ Postie, Thestatusquo, Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral

EddieFenix (6)

~ Postie, Thestatusquo, Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral, Lycanfire 1839

Marquis (3)

~ EddieFenix, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 1883 1802

Marquis (2)

~ EddieFenix, Dunnstral 1883(1936)

We don't have a lot on Dunn here other than to say that when Eddie was placed at L-1, that Dunn hops off Eddie and onto Marquis. Basically this means that as soon as Dunn saw Eddie was getting lynched, they abandoned ship.

There are links to the votes here, where Dunn doesn't really give any reasoning at all for why they voted the way they did. I encourage you to check out the vote posts that Dunn has.

This is the entirety of what Dunn said in between the vote from Eddie onto Marquis:

What is the hesitation here?

That is it. That is all that is there.

It should also be noted that neither Marquis nor Eddie posted in between the time Dunn voted from Eddie to Marquis. What this shows is that Dunn's votes, once again, are not sincere. Why we know this is because Dunn's votes are not at all dependent on what the people who Dunn votes has said, but rather, that they are based on Dunn's own opportunism.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team

Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.

Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no

incentive

to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 4.2

Dunnstral(2)

~ ActionDan(4), LicketyQuickety(10)

Ranmaru(1)

~ Davsto(8)


Not Voting (5): Gamma Emerald(2), Shadoweh(3), Thestatusquo(4), Dunnstral(2), Ranmaru(3)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-19 04:22:42)

[Shadoweh]

Also Hi Shadoweh. ^_^ I promise I'm town THIS time.

IGMEOY but i skimmed some of yourposts and they seemens okay
thatm akes sense thjough because wware totally the SCUMS PARTNESRS shh
time ot lukr together

funy thing i don't know if ij ust picke the best pages but i dndit see a single dunnstral post so mim counting on today to make an impresssion

If you look deeper into the votes you'll see I had numerous opportunities to hammer people who weren't CES - I'm not scum

The information on a scum CES flip was: Don't lynch Marquis before Dunnstral

I had the opportunity to hammer Marquis.

is this a joke because if you quickhammered me you'd have been lynched immediately+

[Shadoweh]

okay so like, ive only had one glass of wine and i f i lii k carefully at the keybolard is doesn't bemess up that much

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team

Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.

Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no

incentive

to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.

...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay so like, ive only had one glass of wine and i f i lii k carefully at the keybolard is doesn't bemess up that much

nope ur fucked up

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team

Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.

Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no

incentive

to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.

...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?

Doesn't matter.

[LicketyQuickety]

okay so like, ive only had one glass of wine and i f i lii k carefully at the keybolard is doesn't bemess up that much

nope ur fucked up

TBH? I would drink too if I had to replace into this game.

[Shadoweh]

lcitkety undesrstands me3

i misundsterstoof wsleepy, he meanst li vky was begins wacky asa scums beign weird thing
i didn't knwos how ai umisdunderstoofd that buti htink it was my thought wfrom reading back and i just assumed sleepy afreed with me
brefcsaysadrer um the smartersdt

i passed out for about 309v minutes after writing that

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team

Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.

Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no

incentive

to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.

...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?

Doesn't matter.

How?

[LicketyQuickety]

lcitkety undesrstands me3

i misundsterstoof wsleepy, he meanst li vky was begins wacky asa scums beign weird thing
i didn't knwos how ai umisdunderstoofd that buti htink it was my thought wfrom reading back and i just assumed sleepy afreed with me
brefcsaysadrer um the smartersdt

i passed out for about 309v minutes after writing that

Go home, you're drunk.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team

Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.

Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no

incentive

to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.

...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?

Doesn't matter.

How?

Well, because reasons don't matter when doing VCA. And Town can be wrong about a lot and still be Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Excuse me no? I try to factor in reasoning when analyzing votes.

[Lycanfire]

okay i wasn't going to hurt anybody's feelings but this is reaching COPPA level stupidity

drinking alcohol does not make you an idiot. it makes you disoriented. it harms your impulse control. you're still 100% capable of reason and shame unless you have an actual medical condition such as alcoholism that leaves you susceptible to black outs.

and if you are blacking out, you aren't capable of hitting submit. blacking out means you might punch someone at the slightest provocation and never remember it, or say something you otherwise wouldn't say. you know, with your mouth.

this is all the more reason why we're lynching LQ.

[Shadoweh]

I'm well over 13 though

[Lycanfire]

You're a child roleplaying as an adult that is roleplaying as a child.

[LicketyQuickety]

Excuse me no? I try to factor in reasoning when analyzing votes.

Well, then you are not really doing VCA, but "Does the reasons for player X voting player Y makes sense?"

There is a concept in mathematics where if there is even one extra thing that could have an influence on the outcome of what you are trying to calculate that it becomes impossible to predict what the result will be. That's is basically what you are doing when you try and mix and match VCA with looking at reasons for why someone voted someone. The reasons in this case, obfuscate the method to say who is Scum by mathematical means.

[LicketyQuickety]

okay i wasn't going to hurt anybody's feelings but this is reaching COPPA level stupidity

drinking alcohol does not make you an idiot. it makes you disoriented. it harms your impulse control. you're still 100% capable of reason and shame unless you have an actual medical condition such as alcoholism that leaves you susceptible to black outs.

and if you are blacking out, you aren't capable of hitting submit. blacking out means you might punch someone at the slightest provocation and never remember it, or say something you otherwise wouldn't say. you know, with your mouth.

this is all the more reason why we're lynching LQ.

Sorry I missed how these things connect me being Scum???

[Ranmaru]

I will focus on this game tonight.

[Gamma Emerald]

Excuse me no? I try to factor in reasoning when analyzing votes.

Well, then you are not really doing VCA, but "Does the reasons for player X voting player Y makes sense?"

There is a concept in mathematics where if there is even one extra thing that could have an influence on the outcome of what you are trying to calculate that it becomes impossible to predict what the result will be. That's is basically what you are doing when you try and mix and match VCA with looking at reasons for why someone voted someone. The reasons in this case, obfuscate the method to say who is Scum by mathematical means.

Okay then. Thanks for helping me with that.