Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

Right. So under any night action plan, we have to disincentivise the entire scumteam from performing the kill.

In the case of A50 flipping town, we obviously can't stop all 3 without nailing exactly what it is, so I think A50 townflip should be:

Mathdino protects the worst (likely dies)
mastina protects Kthx
Beefster jails Bujaber
^this locks down our townbloc

the worst investigates whoever he wants
Kthx follows whoever he wants
Not_Mafia checks anyone not already slated for a night action

Everyone else holsters

[Mathdino]

I'm 99% sure the correct action for me tonight is targeting acryon

Sounds okay to me.

Yeah actually why check me?

How does definitively prove I'm town help anyone?

Some people are still scumreading you I guess.

Yeah it occurs to me that the alternate plan doesn't really account for acryon-scum. Not_Mafia should probably flip a coin between acryon and a holstering Marangal.

[the worst]

Still working thru everything

In both situations: are we ok leaving InfBra as the ~unknown~ factor?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean mod answered it in a pretty vague and general way but Fine we got time here's your only lifeline. (Assuminy beef is not lying - don't forget you flipping scum could implicate him too)

@mod - if a messenger is jailed will their message be received by their target?

Message would not be received if the messenger was jailed.

[Mathdino]

I mean, if a kill ends up going through and everyone has an innocent, then we just lynch InfernoBrafin. ezpz

I checked with the mod, and a Jailkeeper and Roleblocker blocking each other would also block factional kills. I see absolutely 0 reason to not have Beefster and mastina block each other in that case.

Even better, this also stops the scum versions of them from targeting Not_Mafia's target, which stops N_M from getting phony results.

I see no reason not to go with the alternate plan at this point. To reiterate:

Mathdino guards Kthx
mastina blocks Beefster
Beefster blocks mastina
Kthx follows Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia detects Marangal (or really anyone as long as they promise not to do shit at night)
Marangal holsters
the worst checks acryon

If the worst gets killed and everyone has an inno, we lynch in {acryon, IB}.

[acryon]

Still working thru everything

In both situations: are we ok leaving InfBra as the ~unknown~ factor?

This is a good question. I actually have no idea about InfBra's alignment right now, and I fear he's been quietly relegated as town for most everyone. But with all the question marks up in the air besides him, I think it's likely fine to ignore him for now and he can be sorted out later.

[the worst]

Math did you just glimpse into my crazy twsidted mind for a moment?

[the worst]

Regardless

That plan rocks.

[Mathdino]

Occurs to me that you've never been around for one of my setup breaks.

After a scum lynch in one of mastina's intentionally unbalanced game, a similar night action plan 100% solved it.

Obviously we're gonna have issues if A50's actually town, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

No point speculating on A50's scumpartners; if they're who I think they might be, I'll be alive tomorrow to talk about it. If I die, it's obviously one of {acryon, IB} and you guys can solve the rest.
That said, do note that Beefster's voting patterns are abjectly awful in the world of A50 scum.

In the case of A50 flipping town, my reads go something like:
the worst
{Kthx, Marangal, Bujaber}
{acryon, mastina, Beefster}
{IB, Not_Mafia}

[the worst]

I've only seen "how to break 5p LyLo and stress out newbies" by the same author. This plan is next level.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

Doing some reading back cause I got way far behind on Saturday.
1028
This has me convinced that A) Mom is scum and B) Acryon is town. No town comes into day 2 like this after a no lynch, and no scum busses their partner this hard this early in the day.
Then C&S definitely comes in super hard with a follow up-vote, which is super scummy (NOT SCUM INDICATIVE -- I look at C&S and see town.) in a Mom!scum world.

Something I just thought of: C&S said that Math was prob scum because they have a roleblocker role. But not only is Math's role not a roleblocker role, Beef's IS. How does Math have the guilty and not Beef? (Just curious here, not reading it as scum-indic. I assume there is some explanation.)

Mom feels flaily to me.
Another possibility: Beef/Mom? Beef "blocks" Mom and Mom "sends" a message.
A50/Mom is definitely a possibility. I'm starting to see where the scumvibes are coming from.

In a world where Acryon is town, so is Not_Maf.

C&S's confbias is BAD in the first few days. Mas, you need to calm down a bit.

More in a bit. I think I'm going to flowchart the entire game so that I can get the feel for interactions. I'm a big fan of hunting by association.

[BuJaber]

May I suggest you read everything, making notes along the way if you want to remember, and then organizing your thoughts and then posting?

I'm not trying to be rude but this post makes it sound like you haven't read the recent pages.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

@MD: I know the fact that I'm forcing this question is somewhat odd, but based on what Mastina has said and done, I think that this question could point us to a C&S lynch if she' unable to give a reasonable answer. I mean, being honest, in what world do you think someone is town, so you crumb your role by faking a guilty on them (and that guilty isn't even possible) and try and get them lynched? It's a reasonable question.
I'm starting to get uncomfortable with how much you want to get me to hush about it, and I'm also concerned about how comfortable you are with this obviously flawed answer from Mastina.

I honestly think MD/Mastina is a possible scum team guys.

@Bu: We are reading up, we're just trying to read back through the game from an objective stand point and dissect it post by post. Perhaps that will shed some more light on the situation.

I also was thinking that there is not scum daytalk, right? We should be watching for that sort of interaction when we read posts.

[Mathdino]

Anyone who ever defends each other is the scumteam, yes.

Dude, mastina is not scum that tried to fake a Night 0 guilty on me.

In fact, there's no world in which scum EVER do something like that.

At this point I think you just need to review tactics that have actually been used by scum in your games. A lot of things that seem like scumtells early on aren't actually scumtells. You learn by watching them flip town until you realise that scum isn't full of idiots who play at first level.

[Mathdino]

I'm not fucking policy lynching mastina (a confirmed JOAT with a claimed doc/roleblocker) for using a metaphor.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

While creating my flowchart, noticed that Mom has been pushing for Acryon lynch since day 1. This further confirms for me, at this time without having charted anything else, that Mom/Acryon is not a thing.

[Beefster]

Either Mom is lying or mastina is lying (jailkeeper does not rolestop actions as mod has said).

No. I JK'd Mom, not mastina. That roleblocks her.

[BuJaber]

Either Mom is lying or mastina is lying (jailkeeper does not rolestop actions as mod has said).

No. I JK'd Mom, not mastina. That roleblocks her.

Yes sir. I realized that soon after that post. I asked the mod the wrong question so I asked the right question again more recently.

Mechanically, it is possible both mom and mastina are telling the truth assuming you are also telling the truth.

[Beefster]

That plan seems a bit screwy, as it wastes mastina's roleblock, but it checks out as sane. Left to my own devices, I'd rather block BuJ at this point, but I can see how this plan breaks the setup.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

First 10 pages are done for the flowchart. Will probably post the whole thing when I'm done :p
And Bu

THESE ARE THE FIRST 10 PAGES!

I'm aware some of this is made invalid in later posts.

Some things I've noticed:
Math/Tw have had really odd interaction. It feel super fabricated and odd to me.
Inferno and I are idiots for pushing the Math tunnel so hard.
Mom is SUPER scummy, as is beef. I'm getting comfortable with a Mom/Beef scumteam right here.
LUV was townie but disappeared. Strikes me as odd. Like, a lack of interaction that's noteworthy can be a sign of scum (i.e. active lurking)
Bu is also scummy-ish but mostly on bad theory stuff. Not looking like scum.

As of page 10, scum is within:
Mom
Beef
A50
Bu

For those who question, I'm trying to take the view from an standpoint as though I just replaced in and knew only that I, Ico, and TGP are town.

[Momrangal]

I wasn't planning on doing anything tonight anyway.

Also, worst sorry I passed out

[Momrangal]

Brafin, LUV is A50 now

[Mathdino]

If A50 flips town marangal I promise you'll get your mastina lynch

[Momrangal]

Music to my ears.

[Momrangal]

Or it would be but, more than likely, you won't be around tomorrow to help me get that lynch.

I also don't feel good putting my vote on a toan read