Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[Creature]

Yeah it's been a whole day and he's been active elsewhere

My self-reminder to wagon this.

[Creature]

(pretty sure I still am competent enough to make my first post as scum rather than avoid first-time posting)

[Kopherald]

Yeah it's been a whole day and he's been active elsewhere

My self-reminder to wagon this.

The weird thing is, I have been taking the word of others that you were active, but you weren't, I checked a few minutes ago.

Any explanation, Lalendra?

-Brass

[Creature]

Ugh. I hate all four wagons.

Players who have caught my notice:

Ausuka: Flies under the radar, but when she posts, it's got content. Town lean. ✔

Almost50: Has been tunneling an inactive player, and lurking with semi-goofy posts like I've seen him do as scum--and he was scary good. Scum lean. ✔

Lalendra: Play looks a little simplistic

, but I'm not seeing scum motivations yet

. Null-

town

scum.

Kopherald: Whatever they are,

they're intimidating.

I'll give them a slight town lean for now. Does anyone know how the leocrotta to read hydras?

profii: Play is about consistent with his account age, and he and I came to the same approximate conclusions about Shadpearl independently. Town lean.

Sando: He's been pinging my gut something awful. I can't wait until he gets back so I can find out whether my gut is right this time. No read yet.

havingfitz: I've seen him play as scum, and [points finger at screen like The Joker]. He's V/LA, yes, but you can tell the difference by what he posts when he does post. He's dodging attention.

VOTE: havingfitz

[Creature]

Damn, forgot to ✔ some.

[Creature]

Ugh. I hate all four wagons.

You hate all four wagons, but you don't comment on Anienen (Pigeonman). Please explain.

-Brass

I don't think there's any good reason to wagon him;

he hasn't looked particularly scummy

that I remember, and his votes were just leftover RVS. I can examine him if you wish.

Scum considers this kind of comment on them as a satisfactory result.

[Creature]

Almost50 wagon seems like a good idea, but for now I'll wagon the liar:

VOTE: Lalendra

[Kopherald]

Ah, Hello!

VOTE: Creature

(I don't know how to do the white text everyone else is using for their votes... Sorry. >~<)

I would hate for someone to be forced to play if they didn't want to, hence my vote.

I'm actually appreciating Doomfeathers getting the game started and everyone talking. If we kill him, couldn't we wait for later? Once we've all hopped in with both feet and don't need him threatening to toss us into the pool like a demonic older brother? haha

flicking through the thread can I ask how people have interpreted this post, because I've changed my mind.

obviously, a new player, if you don't know how to use the tags, not a criticism, everyone has to start somewhere, I'm just putting it out there. (ps, [.v]player[/.v] without the .'s)

then, voting for a player who hasn't posted, but first post, so let's be nice and say RVS

however, to say I would hate for someone to be force to play if they didn't want to - this makes no sense to me because creature hasn't posted, how can you know any of their thoughts?

then I've already picked up on the Doomfeathers buddying.


there is no way a player has made links to 2 players in their first post and outed the entire scum team, this has got to be n00b town (no offence)

That doesn't clear Doom or Creature in anyway, or link doom to creature. I just think Shadpearl is likely town now.

How do you know he is noob town? How do you know exactly how much mafia experience he has in the mafia world?

I look back at it now, and see that there could be newness to his style, but I am not going to discredit any read towards him because of this, because I simply don't know what his experience is right now.

I would hate for someone to be forced to play if they didn't want to, hence my vote.

That is certainly nice of you, but it's not going to help you win. You want to find people you think are scum, then vote them. If Creature doesn't want to play, he can always replace out.

I lean Shad town. He looks scummy in pretty much the same manner every newbie townie ever does, as opposed to how newbie scum would look. This is his first game, for Gaben's sake; he wouldn't be that devious. I'm thinking there's scum in his wagon, maybe multiple.

I ask you the same question, how do you know that he is a newbie? Are you not possibly considering that he could have experience of mafia from other websites, and possibly not changed his style? This could be how he plays. Don't rule out anything and put it down to one thing, because there is always a slim possible chance that you could be duped because your putting it down to his join date on here.

It does appear that Doomsfeather may be forcing to be looking town, but right now, I just don't see any scum motivation in his posts.

You realise that looking town has scum motivation, right?

Yes, I am fully aware of that. It's more of a RVS thing, I don't see any scum trying over hard to look town during RVS, when they could easily blend in and just do what everybody else is doing. Such tactics like trying too hard can sometimes backfire and bring unwanted attention, which is what I don't think Doom would want, so in that sense, I don't see any scum motivation to do it.

- Kop

[texcat]

Does anyone know how the leocrotta to read hydras?

I don't even know what the question means.

Almost50 wagon seems like a good idea, but for now I'll wagon the liar:

VOTE: Lalendra

Nice catch by Brass...
VOTE: Lalendra

[profii]

@Kopherald - I don’t

Does this forum have a word for this phenomenon- when a town player town reads his scum buddy, just to get a town read on his pal out and about in the thread

I’m sort of thinking how chainsawing is a word for someone who defends his buddies attacker


Anyway, the point. I always look at things as either it is or it isn’t - I think the odds of noob is higher than the probability of the phenomenon above, so I ran with it

[Kopherald]

@Kopherald - I don’t

Does this forum have a word for this phenomenon- when a town player town reads his scum buddy, just to get a town read on his pal out and about in the thread

I’m sort of thinking how chainsawing is a word for someone who defends his buddies attacker


Anyway, the point. I always look at things as either it is or it isn’t - I think the odds of noob is higher than the probability of the phenomenon above, so I ran with it

Profii, did you make a typo in here, or does it just independently not make any sense to me?

-Brass

[profii]

I made a typo

What would people call it if we were scum and I just kept saying oh I’m town reading brassherald? Is there a term?

[profii]

Kop herald * damn hydra

And damn typos

[Almost50]

Would lynch either of Creature/doomfeathers right now. The associative tells are unbearably obvious there.

Probabilities:

Both Scum: 40%
Creature Scum and doom VI: 35%
doom Scum and Creature having a day off: 20%
Both Town and playing really bad: 5%

doom is more or less a noob. He also has something on me (because in the game he linked I was his scum p and I went on to win that game despite him having been lynched on D1, so he could be paranoid). However, I don't see why he jumped to defend Creature before even Creature had posted, given that my meta argument was accurate and supported by many others (doom may not know Creature's meta himself, but when several players back the argument up it must be true).

Creature is OMGUSy by nature, He hate to be wagoned as either alignment and could very well SR his voters, I admit. However, his entrance was HORRIBLE. The "Town?" comment on an opening post by doom was silly enough to earn Creature a SR on it's own, even if he had to retract it soon after. Creature is GOOD as Town, and would not have commented on that post AT ALL if he was Town here. The bad play/nonesense still points to Scum!Creature, especially since that comment came while he was catching up, thus should have yet seen what I said about him (i.e. no way he OMGUS SR'd me as Town!him would still)

[Creature]

Both Town and

playing really bad

???

[Creature]

Pretty sure post 26 was scummy regardless of who you voted first.

[Creature]

Creature is GOOD as Town

So you think town!me would straight out townread doom or would never suggest doom as town?

[Almost50]

Both Town and

playing really bad

???

Defending each other.

[Almost50]

Pretty sure post 26 was scummy regardless of who you voted first.

Pretty sure it wasn't or someone else would've called me out for it.

[Almost50]

Creature is GOOD as Town

So you think town!me would straight out townread doom or would never suggest doom as town?

Never suggest he's town off that post, and never even comment on it. You're posturing (or more precisely impersonating someone you're not, namely Mastina).

[Creature]

Oh cool, I'm scum for thinking doom is town and doom is scum for thinking I'm town.

[Creature]

We've caught two scum already, guys.

[Lalendra]

Yeah it's been a whole day and he's been active elsewhere

My self-reminder to wagon this.

The weird thing is, I have been taking the word of others that you were active, but you weren't, I checked a few minutes ago.

Any explanation, Lalendra?

-Brass

I misread the bolded part below:

Interesting play points on Creature.

He's been online since the game has started

, but he hasn't posted anywhere else, either; it was quite early in the morning, so it's possible he hasn't yet checked his role PM. I'd rather wait to wagon him until he's posted or more time goes by.

Considering that his entrance is pretty typical of his playstyle and that he is now active and engaged, I'm okay with placing him in the townpile now. The OMGUS response is typical of him, as A50 pointed out.

[Creature]

I guess I checked the game once when it started, but I was in school so couldn't post.

[Creature]

VOTE: Almost50