Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[Kopherald]

TGP, A50 and doomfeathers are clearly on the same level on this list.

Why would you think otherwise?

Are you just throwing out accusations in this game, too?

-Brass

[Kopherald]

As to the read on doomfeathers, I will allow the smart head to explain it rather than the asking questions head.

-Brass

[JaydragonKing]

I said I'd do a readslist, so here are my thoughts.

Taly's D1 Page 6 Readslist

Spoiler: Town

Ausuka (Moderate Town)

- I like that they took issue with

Profii's

post on

Shadpearl

in Page 3. 74 They're filtering information and have had consistent reads.

Anenien (Town-Lean)

- He's currently pushed his scum read on

Doomfeathers

, after explaining that his motivations were in the intent to gain information. I think his posts are town-motivated. 35

JaydragonKing (Town-Lean)

- Originally, I thought he wasn't helpful, but his post about

TheGoldenParadox's

quickvote on the

Almost50

wagon AND associatives made me happy, especially since

GoldenParadox's

jump was right after my post on questioning

Almost50

and

Doomfeathers

scum. He seems to catch things a bit quickly.

Creature (Gut Town)

- I haven't seen enough to be very confident; but I don't think the quick, poorly-explained wagon on him was town-motivated. I'd see scum taking the opportunity to push him closer to a lynch. I want to see flips before I look more thoroughly at him.

havingfitz (Potential Town)

- VLA, understandably, so they haven't posted much. Yet, they've asked questions, and I haven't felt weird about reading their posts so far. 84 and 144

Kopherald (Potential Town)

- I'm uncertain here, but I feel that he's sorting the game out. I want to know more about his

doomfeathers

read.

Spoiler: Null

texcat (Pure Null)

- Nothing inherently scummy or towny. Still waiting on a reply from them.

blockcandy (Pure Null)

- Lurker or inactive.

Shadpearl (Gut Null)

- I wanted to say this guy is town because he wasn't guarded in his original post, but his vote in agreement of

TheGoldenParadox

could've easily been survivalistic.

proffi (Gut Null)

- Since his vote and read on

doomfeathers

, he hasn't responded or pushed much for his reasons. Can't get an accurate read yet.

Spoiler: Scum

Lalendra (Potential Scum)

- Voteparking on a wagon without someone present. Early townread on

Doomfeathers

who I scumread. 19 Little to no push or active scumhunting.

TheGoldenParadox (Potential Scum)

- Quick vote and associative tell once

Almost50's

wagon gained momentum... after I line-by-lined him and voted

Doomfeathers

. 128 and 135 This was his second post in the game. 139 So I don't know how he came to that conclusion.

Saldon (Potential Scum)

- On the

Creature

wagon. Was not voted by

Doomfeather

s for the same reason

Doomfeathers

voted

havingfitz

. Switched on

Almost50

wagon after I discredited the

Creature

wagon. May have solid reasoning, so this is not a confident read.

Doomfeathers (Scum)

- Overcautious posts Inconsistent reasons of voting, quick votes on wagons. Explains when it isn't necessary. Scumread but not voted on by other scumread.
My ISO on him elaborates on all of this.

Almost50 (Scum)

- Tunnels

Creature

for out-game reasons. Little explanaton of push, and falsely accuses me when my view doesn't align with his. AtE at some points. Has not done anything other than a PL on

Creature

. Misrepped me once. Associates

Doomfeathers

and

Creature

... but then associated me with

Creature

the moment he gets any pushback.
My scumread on him was reinforced in his 130

I have 5 scumreads, at least 1 of them are town. So I'll reevaluate some of these reads later.

I want to see more

Doomfeathers

and other players, but currently, I am comfortable with my vote.

You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

That's actually more common then you'd think, Paradox. And while not completely a town trait, it's prioritizing the fact that certain people have to go first. For example, Doom's actions are Null to me, but since I'm more forgiving of flavor and fluff(I do it too), I understand I'm usually wrong on that slot.

But it's not like I'm townreading him either, so I'd have vote him... If you haven't been using weird logic like "hang Almost too get three alignments for the price of one" despite only having like 6 pages of content and trying to go for Taly for stupid ass reasons.

VOTE: Paradox

[davesaz]

Prodding blockcandy

[havingfitz]

Mod... what's up with blockcandy.

[havingfitz]

Mod... what's up with blockcandy.

Lol...sorry mod....missed the prod.

[Lalendra]

Official Vote Count 1.2

Creature (4) - Sando, Almost50, Shadpearl, Lalendra
doomfeathers (3) - Ausuka, Aneninen, profii
Shadpearl (2) - Kopherald, havingfitz
Almost50 (2) - doomfeathers, Creature
Aneninen (1) - Taly
texcat (1) - JaydragonKing
Lalendra (1) - texcat


Not Voting (2) - TheGoldenParadox, blockcandy

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-03-19 22:00:00)

Bah I forgot
UNVOTE:

[Lalendra]

Right! So Taly's Scum if Creature's Scum, No doubt about it.

1- You asked if I had played with him. You didn't ask for links.
2- You did your own work and came to a conclusion that defies the established meta EVERYONE ON MS KNOWS about Creature.
3- You're shading Lalendra for voting Creature based on HIS LACK OF ACTIVITY with a "Creature wasn't even in the thread at the time of you stating this"?? Well if he had we wouldn't be voting him in the first place.
4- Your "Almost50 ~~ As he's throwing a big associative tell against Doomfeathers, but is still tunneling Creature" is also sillier than silly, because I'm associating doom to Creature himself. Why should I go after the "branch" when I'm firmly grasping to the root itself.
5-a- doom IS a noob, bu you're not reading,. (Skimming is a scumtell, btw. Weak, but a tell). doom himself says he hasn't played for a long time and has linked the last game he played here. Go check how long it was since then, and note that it was a Newbie game.
5-b- OPr you could've just clicked his profile to see he has 695 posts overall, and 14 of those were made in THIS game (plus at least one in the signup thread). and 66 in the game he linked (in which he was lynched on DAY ONE), and you would have deduced he couldn't have played more than 3-4 games at best (unless he gets lynched on D1 EVERYTIME!)
6- Where did I ever theorize anything? You're throwing words you don't even understand the meaning of. I didn't setup spec, nor did I talk about the best course to play. THAT is theory. I'm making a case on someone based on his WELL ESTABLISHED meta, and trying to guess who might be scum with him based on their play IN-THREAD.

ALSO, I SAID CREATURE WOULD COME UP WITH SOME JUNK IF HE EVER POSTED AND THE NEXT THING HE DOES IS QUESTION IF I HAD A SR ON HIM WHILE IN FACT I WAS AND STILL AM IN HIS WAGON FROM EVEN BEFORE HE POSTED.

Your attempt to switch attention to doom now makes me thin doom IS being a bad townie here. You're going down next after Creature flips red.

He did ask for links. Also Creature is not going to flip red, I'm pretty confident on that now. I find it weird that you're continuing to tunnel him and this isn't like your play last game I was in with you.

[Kopherald]

I've decided I don't need a response.

VOTE: TGP

This looks like his scum game to me. I've seen it before.

-Brass

[Lalendra]

Brass, I like your play so far this game so I'm interested in hearing more about why you're confident on your TGP scumread.

[Kopherald]

Brass, I like your play so far this game so I'm interested in hearing more about why you're confident on your TGP scumread.

I've played with TGP before, and as town, each one time, and then I looked a bit into his meta when I saw the major difference.

TGP just has a strange dichotomy in town and scum game, where his scum play has weird ways of fake scum hunting where he claims to want to sort out people by lynching others from what I recall of his scum game. Town game, he was much more straigthforward, voting for his scum reads, even sharing a bit less information about supposedly trying to sort people.

I know he has only posted three times, but two of those three look like his scum play to me, and nothing like his town plays.

-Brass

[texcat]

I misread the bolded part below:

Interesting play points on Creature.

He's been online since the game has started

,

but he hasn't posted anywhere

else, either; it was quite early in the morning, so it's possible he hasn't yet checked his role PM. I'd rather wait to wagon him until he's posted or more time goes by.

Considering that his entrance is pretty typical of his playstyle and that he is now active and engaged, I'm okay with placing him in the townpile now. The OMGUS response is typical of him, as A50 pointed out.

So you (mis)read the part you bolded, but skipped the part I put in red? Okkk

A50

, I'm having trouble with all of these associations you're making. You said that Creature and Doom are obviously linked. I'm not convinced. Then you say that a scum Creature would mean a scum Taly. Again I'm not convinced.

Paradox

, You've done something similar.

Spoiler:

Okay then.
One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum. If A50 is town, the other two are probably scum. If A50 is scum, the other two are probably town.
VOTE: Almost50

How can you be sure this is not town on town? How can you be sure that A50 isn't bussing?

I've decided I don't need a response.

VOTE: TGP

This looks like his scum game to me. I've seen it before.

-Brass

Can you explain what exactly looks like his scum game? He's only made 3 posts.

[Lalendra]

So you (mis)read the part you bolded, but skipped the part I put in red? Okkk

That's what misread means. I based what I said on the part in bold, and missed the part in red.

[Kopherald]

I said I'd do a readslist, so here are my thoughts.

Taly's D1 Page 6 Readslist

Spoiler: Town

Ausuka (Moderate Town)

- I like that they took issue with

Profii's

post on

Shadpearl

in Page 3. 74 They're filtering information and have had consistent reads.

Anenien (Town-Lean)

- He's currently pushed his scum read on

Doomfeathers

, after explaining that his motivations were in the intent to gain information. I think his posts are town-motivated. 35

JaydragonKing (Town-Lean)

- Originally, I thought he wasn't helpful, but his post about

TheGoldenParadox's

quickvote on the

Almost50

wagon AND associatives made me happy, especially since

GoldenParadox's

jump was right after my post on questioning

Almost50

and

Doomfeathers

scum. He seems to catch things a bit quickly.

Creature (Gut Town)

- I haven't seen enough to be very confident; but I don't think the quick, poorly-explained wagon on him was town-motivated. I'd see scum taking the opportunity to push him closer to a lynch. I want to see flips before I look more thoroughly at him.

havingfitz (Potential Town)

- VLA, understandably, so they haven't posted much. Yet, they've asked questions, and I haven't felt weird about reading their posts so far. 84 and 144

Kopherald (Potential Town)

- I'm uncertain here, but I feel that he's sorting the game out. I want to know more about his

doomfeathers

read.

Spoiler: Null

texcat (Pure Null)

- Nothing inherently scummy or towny. Still waiting on a reply from them.

blockcandy (Pure Null)

- Lurker or inactive.

Shadpearl (Gut Null)

- I wanted to say this guy is town because he wasn't guarded in his original post, but his vote in agreement of

TheGoldenParadox

could've easily been survivalistic.

proffi (Gut Null)

- Since his vote and read on

doomfeathers

, he hasn't responded or pushed much for his reasons. Can't get an accurate read yet.

Spoiler: Scum

Lalendra (Potential Scum)

- Voteparking on a wagon without someone present. Early townread on

Doomfeathers

who I scumread. 19 Little to no push or active scumhunting.

TheGoldenParadox (Potential Scum)

- Quick vote and associative tell once

Almost50's

wagon gained momentum... after I line-by-lined him and voted

Doomfeathers

. 128 and 135 This was his second post in the game. 139 So I don't know how he came to that conclusion.

Saldon (Potential Scum)

- On the

Creature

wagon. Was not voted by

Doomfeather

s for the same reason

Doomfeathers

voted

havingfitz

. Switched on

Almost50

wagon after I discredited the

Creature

wagon. May have solid reasoning, so this is not a confident read.

Doomfeathers (Scum)

- Overcautious posts Inconsistent reasons of voting, quick votes on wagons. Explains when it isn't necessary. Scumread but not voted on by other scumread.
My ISO on him elaborates on all of this.

Almost50 (Scum)

- Tunnels

Creature

for out-game reasons. Little explanaton of push, and falsely accuses me when my view doesn't align with his. AtE at some points. Has not done anything other than a PL on

Creature

. Misrepped me once. Associates

Doomfeathers

and

Creature

... but then associated me with

Creature

the moment he gets any pushback.
My scumread on him was reinforced in his 130

I have 5 scumreads, at least 1 of them are town. So I'll reevaluate some of these reads later.

I want to see more

Doomfeathers

and other players, but currently, I am comfortable with my vote.

You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

Where did Taly say A50 was a stronger scum read than Doom? I'm failing to see it.

- Kop

[Kopherald]

I said I'd do a readslist, so here are my thoughts.

Taly's D1 Page 6 Readslist

Spoiler: Town

Ausuka (Moderate Town)

- I like that they took issue with

Profii's

post on

Shadpearl

in Page 3. 74 They're filtering information and have had consistent reads.

Anenien (Town-Lean)

- He's currently pushed his scum read on

Doomfeathers

, after explaining that his motivations were in the intent to gain information. I think his posts are town-motivated. 35

JaydragonKing (Town-Lean)

- Originally, I thought he wasn't helpful, but his post about

TheGoldenParadox's

quickvote on the

Almost50

wagon AND associatives made me happy, especially since

GoldenParadox's

jump was right after my post on questioning

Almost50

and

Doomfeathers

scum. He seems to catch things a bit quickly.

Creature (Gut Town)

- I haven't seen enough to be very confident; but I don't think the quick, poorly-explained wagon on him was town-motivated. I'd see scum taking the opportunity to push him closer to a lynch. I want to see flips before I look more thoroughly at him.

havingfitz (Potential Town)

- VLA, understandably, so they haven't posted much. Yet, they've asked questions, and I haven't felt weird about reading their posts so far. 84 and 144

Kopherald (Potential Town)

- I'm uncertain here, but I feel that he's sorting the game out. I want to know more about his

doomfeathers

read.

Spoiler: Null

texcat (Pure Null)

- Nothing inherently scummy or towny. Still waiting on a reply from them.

blockcandy (Pure Null)

- Lurker or inactive.

Shadpearl (Gut Null)

- I wanted to say this guy is town because he wasn't guarded in his original post, but his vote in agreement of

TheGoldenParadox

could've easily been survivalistic.

proffi (Gut Null)

- Since his vote and read on

doomfeathers

, he hasn't responded or pushed much for his reasons. Can't get an accurate read yet.

Spoiler: Scum

Lalendra (Potential Scum)

- Voteparking on a wagon without someone present. Early townread on

Doomfeathers

who I scumread. 19 Little to no push or active scumhunting.

TheGoldenParadox (Potential Scum)

- Quick vote and associative tell once

Almost50's

wagon gained momentum... after I line-by-lined him and voted

Doomfeathers

. 128 and 135 This was his second post in the game. 139 So I don't know how he came to that conclusion.

Saldon (Potential Scum)

- On the

Creature

wagon. Was not voted by

Doomfeather

s for the same reason

Doomfeathers

voted

havingfitz

. Switched on

Almost50

wagon after I discredited the

Creature

wagon. May have solid reasoning, so this is not a confident read.

Doomfeathers (Scum)

- Overcautious posts Inconsistent reasons of voting, quick votes on wagons. Explains when it isn't necessary. Scumread but not voted on by other scumread.
My ISO on him elaborates on all of this.

Almost50 (Scum)

- Tunnels

Creature

for out-game reasons. Little explanaton of push, and falsely accuses me when my view doesn't align with his. AtE at some points. Has not done anything other than a PL on

Creature

. Misrepped me once. Associates

Doomfeathers

and

Creature

... but then associated me with

Creature

the moment he gets any pushback.
My scumread on him was reinforced in his 130

I have 5 scumreads, at least 1 of them are town. So I'll reevaluate some of these reads later.

I want to see more

Doomfeathers

and other players, but currently, I am comfortable with my vote.

I don't have any strong reads on Doom, I specifically said that I don't see any scum motivation from Doom's forced appearance of trying to look town. Especially in RVS stage, but I could be wrong in what I am saying, I'm just trying to believe in my own mind that someone wouldn't jump out in the way he did and bring attention onto himself. He could have easily sat back joined in with RVS and allowed everyone else to take the lead.

I will need to reread his ISO again.

- Kop

[Creature]

One of {Creature, doom, A50} is scum.

How did you reach that conclusion, detective?

[Creature]

To prove the point of your first spoiler.... shouldn't the second spoiler be your comments before post 113 wrt your suspicions towards him?

The point was to show why me OMGUSing A50 was a lie.

[Taly]

Spoiler: To Kopherald and Lalendra

As to the read on doomfeathers, I will allow the smart head to explain it rather than the asking questions head.

-Brass

I'd like to know both of your heads' thought on

doomfeathers

. I've hydra'd before, so I understand why it takes longer to formulate concrete heads when there are more than one head.

Right! So Taly's Scum if Creature's Scum, No doubt about it.

1- You asked if I had played with him. You didn't ask for links.
2- You did your own work and came to a conclusion that defies the established meta EVERYONE ON MS KNOWS about Creature.
3- You're shading Lalendra for voting Creature based on HIS LACK OF ACTIVITY with a "Creature wasn't even in the thread at the time of you stating this"?? Well if he had we wouldn't be voting him in the first place.
4- Your "Almost50 ~~ As he's throwing a big associative tell against Doomfeathers, but is still tunneling Creature" is also sillier than silly, because I'm associating doom to Creature himself. Why should I go after the "branch" when I'm firmly grasping to the root itself.
5-a- doom IS a noob, bu you're not reading,. (Skimming is a scumtell, btw. Weak, but a tell). doom himself says he hasn't played for a long time and has linked the last game he played here. Go check how long it was since then, and note that it was a Newbie game.
5-b- OPr you could've just clicked his profile to see he has 695 posts overall, and 14 of those were made in THIS game (plus at least one in the signup thread). and 66 in the game he linked (in which he was lynched on DAY ONE), and you would have deduced he couldn't have played more than 3-4 games at best (unless he gets lynched on D1 EVERYTIME!)
6- Where did I ever theorize anything? You're throwing words you don't even understand the meaning of. I didn't setup spec, nor did I talk about the best course to play. THAT is theory. I'm making a case on someone based on his WELL ESTABLISHED meta, and trying to guess who might be scum with him based on their play IN-THREAD.

ALSO, I SAID CREATURE WOULD COME UP WITH SOME JUNK IF HE EVER POSTED AND THE NEXT THING HE DOES IS QUESTION IF I HAD A SR ON HIM WHILE IN FACT I WAS AND STILL AM IN HIS WAGON FROM EVEN BEFORE HE POSTED.

Your attempt to switch attention to doom now makes me thin doom IS being a bad townie here. You're going down next after Creature flips red.

He did ask for links. Also Creature is not going to flip red, I'm pretty confident on that now. I find it weird that you're continuing to tunnel him and this isn't like your play last game I was in with you.

No response to my readslist?

Also, what makes you so confident in Creature being town now?

I said I'd do a readslist, so here are my thoughts.

Taly's D1 Page 6 Readslist

Spoiler: Town

Ausuka (Moderate Town)

- I like that they took issue with

Profii's

post on

Shadpearl

in Page 3. 74 They're filtering information and have had consistent reads.

Anenien (Town-Lean)

- He's currently pushed his scum read on

Doomfeathers

, after explaining that his motivations were in the intent to gain information. I think his posts are town-motivated. 35

JaydragonKing (Town-Lean)

- Originally, I thought he wasn't helpful, but his post about

TheGoldenParadox's

quickvote on the

Almost50

wagon AND associatives made me happy, especially since

GoldenParadox's

jump was right after my post on questioning

Almost50

and

Doomfeathers

scum. He seems to catch things a bit quickly.

Creature (Gut Town)

- I haven't seen enough to be very confident; but I don't think the quick, poorly-explained wagon on him was town-motivated. I'd see scum taking the opportunity to push him closer to a lynch. I want to see flips before I look more thoroughly at him.

havingfitz (Potential Town)

- VLA, understandably, so they haven't posted much. Yet, they've asked questions, and I haven't felt weird about reading their posts so far. 84 and 144

Kopherald (Potential Town)

- I'm uncertain here, but I feel that he's sorting the game out. I want to know more about his

doomfeathers

read.

Spoiler: Null

texcat (Pure Null)

- Nothing inherently scummy or towny. Still waiting on a reply from them.

blockcandy (Pure Null)

- Lurker or inactive.

Shadpearl (Gut Null)

- I wanted to say this guy is town because he wasn't guarded in his original post, but his vote in agreement of

TheGoldenParadox

could've easily been survivalistic.

proffi (Gut Null)

- Since his vote and read on

doomfeathers

, he hasn't responded or pushed much for his reasons. Can't get an accurate read yet.

Spoiler: Scum

Lalendra (Potential Scum)

- Voteparking on a wagon without someone present. Early townread on

Doomfeathers

who I scumread. 19 Little to no push or active scumhunting.

TheGoldenParadox (Potential Scum)

- Quick vote and associative tell once

Almost50's

wagon gained momentum... after I line-by-lined him and voted

Doomfeathers

. 128 and 135 This was his second post in the game. 139 So I don't know how he came to that conclusion.

Saldon (Potential Scum)

- On the

Creature

wagon. Was not voted by

Doomfeather

s for the same reason

Doomfeathers

voted

havingfitz

. Switched on

Almost50

wagon after I discredited the

Creature

wagon. May have solid reasoning, so this is not a confident read.

Doomfeathers (Scum)

- Overcautious posts Inconsistent reasons of voting, quick votes on wagons. Explains when it isn't necessary. Scumread but not voted on by other scumread.
My ISO on him elaborates on all of this.

Almost50 (Scum)

- Tunnels

Creature

for out-game reasons. Little explanaton of push, and falsely accuses me when my view doesn't align with his. AtE at some points. Has not done anything other than a PL on

Creature

. Misrepped me once. Associates

Doomfeathers

and

Creature

... but then associated me with

Creature

the moment he gets any pushback.
My scumread on him was reinforced in his 130

I have 5 scumreads, at least 1 of them are town. So I'll reevaluate some of these reads later.

I want to see more

Doomfeathers

and other players, but currently, I am comfortable with my vote.

You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

WOW.
I don't even know where to start with this post, beyond this post being an entire misrep.

1)

I never said

Almost50

was my strongest scumread. He was classified as

(Scum) -exactly-

like

Doomfeathers.

2)

If you actually looked at my post; you'd know that I had an ISO on

Doomfeathers

that initially constituted my vote on him.

3)

Part of my thought process on

Almost50

and

Doomfeathers

being scum is that they're possibly a pair. I'm prioritizing my vote on

Doomfeathers

to gauge a more confident read on him, since I stated that he was my most volatile read. 128

4)

Right after my post in voting

Doomfeathers

, you jumped on

Almost50's

wagon without anything but associative-speculation. 139
- By doing this, you detract from my reads and information. You're also distancing yourself by going on another wagon that others have followed on. 133 and 142

5)

If you agree with

Almost50

being scum, why are you trying to incriminate me by misconstruing my reads?

This post by

TheGoldenParadox

does not strike me as Town questioning a wagon or read at all.

Specifically since you didn't follow up your question with another, or an explanation of your thoughts. You threw an "FOS" and didn't even add your vote to it. It sounds to me like you're being disingenuous by not pushing your own thoughts.

By "FOS" and question; you're swapping attention back at me and trying discrediting my wagon on

Doomfeathers

, even though you already did that with a rogue vote on

Almost50

; which I heavily doubt you thought of that on your own, given I had already posted before twice on my scumreads on him and

Doomfeathers

prior that.

~~~~

The only thing that's keeping me from voting and spearheading a

TheGoldenParadox

wagon/lynch is because I haven't heard from

Doomfeathers

since my vote on him.

But yeah... It's nice to see that neither

Doomfeathers

or

Almost50

have looked into the thread since then.

Though, I'm giving

Doomfeathers

some leeway, he hasn't been online since he last posted yesterday.

Almost50

is actively posting in another game.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

This wagon has more momentum than Shadpearl and 139 is still really, really, really, bad.

[Creature]

You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

NAI

[Creature]

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

[Kopherald]

As to the read on doomfeathers, I will allow the smart head to explain it rather than the asking questions head.

-Brass

I'd like to know both of your heads' thought on

doomfeathers

. I've hydra'd before, so I understand why it takes longer to formulate concrete heads when there are more than one head.

I, like Kop-head, don't have any strong feelings either way. I don't see a scum motivation for the early actions, but at the same time, even if I switch to trying to determine if there is town indication from him, I'm just not getting so much.

Kop said he was going to look through ISOs, and so am I, eventually. I'm taking the lead on TGP. I know he has just three posts, but it already looks like the thing he does as scum where he throws out a bunch of people he wants to sort out, but doesn't establish any of them as an actual scum read/scum lean, just that someone is scum and he wants to sort them out.

-Brass

[Kopherald]

You say A50 is a stronger scumread than doom, and yet you're still voting doom?

FoS Taly

NAI

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Hi Creature,

I'd just like some clarification here to make sure I get what you are saying with the first post, which then leads to the second.

Does the NAI refer to TGP's post, or to Taly's reads/vote? Because when I read the first by itself, it reads like you are referring to TGP's post.

-Brass

[Lalendra]

No response to my readslist?

Also, what makes you so confident in Creature being town now?

I didn't feel the need to comment, I did think that the amount of effort you're putting in leads me to believe you are likely town. Obviously I disagree with your read on me, but I'm consistently scumread as town so it wasn't surprising and I didn't feel the need to argue. Either my play will change your mind, or it won't. Meh?

I do agree with your SR of A50 currently, based on them misrepping you and blatant ATE which I don't remember him doing as town.

I'm confident of Creature's towniness because now that he has started posting, this is very much his town game. The fact that A50 continues to push him despite that, while claiming to know his meta, raises alarms.

Actually you know what, fuck it. I'm confident enough to place my vote here for now.

VOTE: Almost50

[Lalendra]

But yeah... It's nice to see that neither Doomfeathers or Almost50 have looked into the thread since then.

Though, I'm giving Doomfeathers some leeway, he hasn't been online since he last posted yesterday.

Almost50 is actively posting in another game.

I hadn't even gotten to this yet but yeah, that's definitely not a good sign.
I'm not sure how I feel about a DF/A50 scumteam, I need to see more from DF and I'm not comfortable reading into pre-flip associatives.