In post 326, Tchill13 wrote:Had a mumble wagon formed in the same way would that be hitting a villager? Because Katherine and mumble were the 2 pointed out.
Tchill's reactions have actually been pretty transparently townie, so I'm flipping my read on that one.
Also getting decent townreads on Havo and Creature. Lighter townreads on Cedrick, Implosion and Ausuka. Brass and Gamma seem Ok too. I will probably explain these in a bit.
KTS is someone who will be hard for me to trust after the last game I played with him - he played very similar as scum, being overly-confident in his reads early on and generally looking to dominate proceedings. That whole playstyle rubs me the wrong way to be honest, but I have him as null for the time being.
I still don't like Maria, but Katherine seems a decent bet.
In post 326, Tchill13 wrote:Had a mumble wagon formed in the same way would that be hitting a villager? Because Katherine and mumble were the 2 pointed out.
I liked Ausuka from the 1v1 with Maria - she's being level-headed with her arguments.
I'm skeptical of Kill's
'don't lynch Tchill
' plea - at this point, and indeed earlier, I don't get why Kill wasn't more suspicious of this slot. I believe others have said they see this more likely coming from scum and I tend to agree.
Tchill's posts towards the end of this page read townie to me.
Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.
these posts are exactly why i lost all wim to play this game within 10 pages. i was pretty excited to play this, too, until a bunch of players started acting superior to me for whatever reason.
Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.
these posts are exactly why i lost all wim to play this game within 10 pages. i was pretty excited to play this, too, until a bunch of players started acting superior to me for whatever reason.
Superior? I seriously think you're a better player than me. I just don't agree with reads made off of 5ish posts early day 1. Don't lose the excitement. Apathy only helps scum.
I think Katherine is scummier than mumble if we are comparing the two (yes there is a lack to compare on mumble but I have more to work with when it comes to Katherine and I see no sorting whatsoever) and ik you're wrong about me because I'm town.
I just ask you play with an open mind and if you seriously think I'm scum you need to actually vote me and push it logically rather than saying "well I thought tchill maybe town but now ik tchill is scum for sure now because I read 1/10 of a game he played terrible in". That just looks weird man.
In post 59, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah. You're the type of player where if I flip town I'm bad town but you're not gonna let up till I flip. You're gonna use anything I say to reinforce your case from one perspective or another.
In post 65, Killthestory wrote:engagement and adversity is the point on mafia, lol. it's not bad when we have a 1v1 thunderdome because it gives other players a chance to sort us and make opinions that in turn helps us sort them.
it becomes bad when you grow frustrated and the other player in turn. that's not the case, so i'd hope you'll continue talking to me because i'm genuinely trying to sort you, friend.
In post 110, katherine wrote:What does drama mean in this context? I think anything that would be called drama is usually helpful in mafia
This little 1 v 1 with tchill. Really drama is helpful. Staged drama not so much. Kts is faking reads imo to stir things up. I’m not entirely convinced tchill isn’t in on it.
In post 287, brassherald wrote:I'm not liking Killthestory recently. I'm not sure if his "already solving the game" junk is scum trying to look like stupid town or just really stupid town.
Alright man continue to push you're agenda. All I ask is you explain reads and don't blatantly push things that are obviously biased.
like, i'm not sure how i'm supposed to respond to these posts without getting frustrated. i'm getting belittled, insulted, and blatantly called stupid for attempting to push the gamestate forward and accurately lock scum to certain pools to which i believe in. i don't know these people, i've tried not to antagonize anyone, and these guys are sitting here pretending like they're superior to me. i'm not gonna bring up skill levels or anything, but it's incredibly arrogant and pointless to try and bait me with these sort of posts when i'm being perfectly reasonable. one guy even accused me of stirring up drama for the sake of it. what???
there's a certain line of aggressive and asshole in mafia, and a lot of these players don't know the difference. sort of why i left the toxic community here in the first place.
In post 5, Tchill13 wrote:Wow.... That's a classic Katherine move right there.
really weird interaction. v/w or w/w interaction i sorta feel. v/v doesn't feel likely, or at least, it's out of what i believe possible. i think later associations go on to disprove this, but i just don't like it.
@havo why did you change your disclaimer from the last game?
It seemed to cause too much controversy and took away from the RVS stage.
And I like this new one better.
But you were town last game and didn’t seem to care about controversy. Why now?
I’m just trying to find that balance of getting my point across without derailing Day 1.
Creating controversy isn’t a town thing to do IMO, and even though that was never my intention with that disclaimer, it seemed to do just that with some players. So I think this new one is much better.
not liking how self aware havo is. the thought process and content is good, but the awkward tone and self aware posting makes me figure that this guy's trying to articulate way too hard that he's pushing a town agenda. gonna let him lose in my wolf pile.
this is the same guy that decided to say i was stirring up drama for the sake of it, and i've been ignoring him all game as to not cause an out of game conflict. don't really feel like engaging a child who's gonna throw a tantrum whenever i don't give him attention as seen here:
and yeah, that's provocative, but he's been baiting me all game. not sure what his deal is, but there's only so much i can let him say about me before i get a little angry lol. regardless, his posts engaging me and about me are a solid v.
In post 41, Tchill13 wrote:I like the reasoning but I wouldn't nail Katherine as scum based solely on that yet.
this is a very wishy washy read that i only see coming from a wolf or inexperienced town. really dislike how he's trying to egg on maria while also not himself taking part of the push.
I was Death tunneled in my last game, I’ve learned a thing or two about how to handle it.
So I can give you some tips if you need them.
But I doubt you would.
very similar awkward interaction atypical to the katherine and tchill interaction. v/w or w/w, and i'm leaning wolf on wolf here. just like such a weird thing to say to someone as a villa or both villas. havo's definitely scum off the exchange, but i feel tchill is scum here, too. gonna look into more posts. definitely fits the narrative that i see running here.
In post 48, MariaR wrote:idk how to take Havos change if he said it was before the game that would've made it now saying he did it while he was posting could mean self conscious scum but the tone so far feels like town who genuinely didn't want to fuck something up.
Whew sr and a tr so far Maria you are on fire
Pedit: I don't think you should give tips regardless and let us see the reaction
i like how maria's trying to sort here again, and i don't think this is a w/w interaction here. feel like maria would avoid commenting on havo and bringing up a potential piece of evidence against havo if they were similar alignments. maria prpbably the v here, but again, i'm still missing a deepwolf.
In post 51, Tchill13 wrote:Man we've got some people jumping at the chance to push others EARLY.
again, this is one of those posts that only comes from inexperienced v or wolf. i didn't really want to tunnel the guy because every post reeked of inexperience, and i want people to continue playing mafia. i think i took the ate too hard, and he definitely came across as earnest after i was hard doubting myself. on rereading, this is just a supremely disgusting post that i can't see coming from tchill if he really isn't an inexperienced player. i read his towngame, and he's a lot more aggressive and less appeasing there.
In post 55, Tchill13 wrote:Oh. I signed up with a few mafia genuises lol.
this feels like tmi as he's remarking on me already picking up on scumtells. the overall feeling of this post is really icky, too.
Tell me exactly why scum start such a thing day 1? There's no reason for it. The most efficient way for scum to play that helps them in the long run is minimal stances day 1.
this genuinely feels like him trying to sort me, and it gave me a large pause towards my push. as scum, i try typically to not instantly attack my attacker and make them feel like i trust them even if they scumread me, so i think that's where this post comes across if he's wolf. still gives me large hesitance, though. tone was really v.
In post 75, Tchill13 wrote:I've played like 20-30 games on site. I've played enough to understand why you pointed me out specifically.
another level of self awareness that i absolutely despise.
i really disliked this post from implosion as it felt too easy of a pile on, and he just seemingly goes along with what maria said without offering anything of his own. no resistance to the scumread, no genuine reads of his own. seems like a typical wolf play for a mislynch early on.
In post 84, implosion wrote:maria's reasoning is solid. Also dislike tchill's 41. Also skeptical of cedrick's opening.
What do you have against puns?
Not your first post, just most of your other ones.
implosion really, really contradicts himself here. your entrance is exactly your first post, and implosion says his entrance is scummy. he then goes back on that and says, "wait, not your first post." feels like a fake read early on.
In post 105, Killthestory wrote:can we have more engagement? i don't want to play a stagnate game.
I'm happy to engage with you if you're not going to be ridiculously cryptic ^_^
cedrick is probably actually town.
switches up his whole narrative instantly after half assing a push against cedrick. again, fake reads.
In post 109, implosion wrote:In a vacuum I want to call kts town right now but I don't think I know his meta well enough to have any degree of confidence in that.
another wishy washy read that gives almost no value to the thread. definitrly in our lynch pool.
In post 112, Killthestory wrote:mumble's entrance while albeit not scummy into itself, within the context of the game, is a scummy pop in during rvs to lock a vote and leave. no sense of forming a wagon, no sense of solving, and the vote i have on him almost always hits a wolf.
Yeah this makes sense now, but honestly Tchill is just scum
being empathetic to my thought process but still pushing his own line of thought is villa.
In post 187, MariaR wrote:Only issue with Ausuka scum is it somewhat points to Tchii scum and ehhh on that.
In post 207, Killthestory wrote:guys... i get you think tchill is scum, i saw that, too, but i think he's just an inexperienced townie. a lot of the stuff he says comes across as scummy, but i looked it over and realized the guy really doesn't know how to play mafia. pls don't lynch him.
also hi luca! didn't realize you were in this game. hi maria, too.
cedrick, luca, maria, creature, tchill, all v.
katherine, gamma slight v.
feeling implosion, mumble, ausoka as w.
rest i still gotta sort
Very odd of you to defend/undermine me when I only have 2 votes on me. Are you that worried I'm gonna be lynched? Or do you NEED to get the point across that you believe I'm town and I'm terrible? Because if you want people to think I'm town because I'm terrible you don't want people listening to my reasoning. Why would you make sure that didn't happen?
Yeah Tchill is town for this. KTS is helping Tchill here and Tchill is provoking him in this post. I think if Tchill was scum he'd probably just take the TR, instead of being annoyed at KTS for a percieved insult.
feels like ausoka is genuinely sorting tchill here, and it reads well. good thought process, solid v.
are you serious? It's conf 10v3. this feels like a deliberate attempt for towncred.
didn't even look at the playercount before i joined lolol.
In post 265, implosion wrote:Ausuka is town. Her reads progression (particularly her willingness to repeatedly add reads and not rest on the list) since the initial list looks like genuine gamesolving. Inclined toward Luca town. I don't think going all-in on the tchill push is how scum opens at that point in time. I don't think there were any other non-RVS votes at that point? And he was fairly contentious. And the reasoning feels decent enough. Not sure what I think about tchill right now though.
Maria seems town as well.
In post 266, implosion wrote:kts is also starting to sound like he's making shit up in a scummy way. His flip on tchill is really odd and makes more sense from scum than from town i think. I don't think that town-kts would display as much confidence on the tchill read as he did if it was capable of being overturned by such a simple meta dive; the read itself was sort of implicitly meta-based.
Gamma I don't think I've seen as scum before actually but I'm also not sure he goes for the tchill push here in this way.
individually, these posts are good. in the context of the game, i seriously wonder why implosion only commented on us 5 when there's more colorful personalities within the game. it really feels he's trying to avoid spew on any scumbuddies or scummy town, and he's trying to let the game progress to a mislynch without damning himself. really scummy play imo, he's gotta go soon.
Katherine - Null
Tchill - Lean Town, familiarity, nothing feels off as of yet
Creature - Null
Ausuka - Towny, makes sense and I like the tone
Gamma - Null I guess, I go back and forth here.
Brass Herald - Very slight town lean here.
Cedrick - Very slight town lean, tone mainly
Mumble - Null, not much to look at
KTS - Leaning Scum here, aggressive scum, false reads maybe
Maria - Town lean here, but a bad gut feeling for some reason
Luca - Null, not a fan of his tunnel vision early
Implosion - Null, slight town maybe
VOTE: KTS
very wishy washy reads without him having many scumreads except for two strong personalities being pressured in thread. he doesn't go to mention any of the scummier players independantly, and he leaves them as null including implosion. inclined to believe both are a wolfteam with mumble or something.
to elaborate on this more, the lack of resistance to the wagon, and the fact that it comes across as an appeasing wagon meant to appeal to everyone feels off. feel like the wagon formation spews katherine as a v.
In post 344, Tchill13 wrote:Superior? I seriously think you're a better player than me. I just don't agree with reads made off of 5ish posts early day 1. Don't lose the excitement. Apathy only helps scum.
I think Katherine is scummier than mumble if we are comparing the two (yes there is a lack to compare on mumble but I have more to work with when it comes to Katherine and I see no sorting whatsoever) and ik you're wrong about me because I'm town.
I just ask you play with an open mind and if you seriously think I'm scum you need to actually vote me and push it logically rather than saying "well I thought tchill maybe town but now ik tchill is scum for sure now because I read 1/10 of a game he played terrible in". That just looks weird man.
ughhh we need to leave tchill alive because his associations will spew him as v or w. going off his posts, i'm forced to read everything with a heavy v tone because i find it so hard to believe scum makes these posts acting like he's been acting. gonna leave him alive until i have too little unsorted to go around.
gonna post a readslist detailing my thoughts, and then i'm gonna leave. might come back in a day, idk.
Cedrick - v
Tchill13 - unsorted leaning v
Creature - v
Ausuka - v with slight potential of deepwolf
Gamma Emerald - leaning v
brassherald - slight v
Havo - w
Mumble - w
katherine - v off wagon formation + tone
MariaR - v with chance of powerwolf
Luca Blight - v with chance of powerwolf
implosion - w
my pick for a wolf team: implosion, havo, mumble 100% one scum there, almost certain there's 2, unlikely there's 3. still looking for deepwolf.
there goes all my wim. i'll probably die d2, so this might be all you get out of me if i decide to stop playing.
