Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Klazam]

ok, i do have a question. why is my pushing of the Elbirn guilty on you neither slimy nor opportunistic?

Gamma, this was for you.

also this

[Gamma Emerald]

ok, i do have a question. why is my pushing of the Elbirn guilty on you neither slimy nor opportunistic?

Gamma, this was for you.

The timing of you pushing it didn't feel as on-point as Klazam's

[Klazam]

I just looked again and Elbirn is the ONLY read on that list that you avoid giving personal opinion on. yes, this includes other flipped reads. You EVEN GIVE A BIASED OPINION ON WHY YOURE NOT SCUM in your own read on yourself.

[Gamma Emerald]

Try "impartial". I was summing up what the general reaction to it was. Did you see the word "I" in there? No? Then it's not me making a subjective personal judgement but an objective overall judgment.

I... dont think that you make sense here.

Youre justifying unflipped assocatives based on YOUR reads, then made a impartial observation that carefully avoided mentioning that youre the one who looks potentially scummy. Thats two different approaches in your reads list.

¿Por qué no los dos?
When I was going over my reads on people like Kokichi it was relevant to mention my own reads With the Elbirn situation I felt like my read on the situation was not as important as the reads of everyone as a whole.

[Gamma Emerald]

You EVEN GIVE A BIASED OPINION ON WHY YOURE NOT SCUM in your own read on yourself.

I checked for this and didn't find it. Quote the line in question.

[Klazam]

Their interactions with Dunkerdoodles make them a very clear no-go for possibly being on the red team, so those looking to remove him must try to put him with the orange team!

[Almost50]

Maki in U-pick sure. even if i was wrong later.

OK.. I'll grant you a Town point, half of which is for making me laugh!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

Their interactions with Dunkerdoodles make them a very clear no-go for possibly being on the red team, so those looking to remove him must try to put him with the orange team!

Point out how this is wrong then? Because I feel like this is very valid.

[Shaziro]

Ok so two things, now that I've got a little time at a computer.

First: Brass should be Runner Up, not Leader. He is an innocent child, so I highly suspect that scum are gunning for him. Hell, Varsoon even tried to communicate to the redscum and coordinate how to attack him. There is a -chance- he will not be killed, which is why he's safe as a runner up, but we should put the bonus delegates on somebody else we know is town, to not give scum one prime target to take away a lot of what town has going for it. If he is the sole container of all our bonus delegates -and- is the IC, scum are just going to nuke him from orbit and we lose all of it. Sure, one could argue we might have a protective. We don't -know- that though, and therefore shouldn't act as if we do know that.

Second: I think there is a Culture or Religious victory Mafia team. I think they likely have two people, one or both of whom can convert people to their religion. I think that once a player is converted to a religion, that religion sticks. Therefore, I think that there is a Town religion spreader, and a religion spreader on an opposing scum team. This would make it so the team with the Religion win con would be blocked by the Town and Scum-but-not-on-their-team religion spreader...spreading their religions. The other two religion spreaders WOULD NOT HAVE A WIN CON. For them, it would just be a fruit vendor that also stops that person from being converted to any other religion. THE ONLY ONE WITH THE CONVERSION WIN CON WOULD BE CULTURE/RELIGION SCUM. Therefore, I think Dunker flipping as Domination Mafia religon spreader means that the Mafia-but-not-their-team religion spreader is dead. I think that one of either Almost50 or Pidgey (at least one) is scum religion spreader who -does- have a religious wincon. I also think almost50 is scum. Therefore, I think Almost50 is Culture/Religion Mafia religion spreader. I don't know how to make that more clear. Town and Domination Mafia religion spreaders served, effectively, as unaware blockades to Culture/Religion Mafia, who were -aware- of their religion spread wincon.

Unless I misunderstand what constitutes a Bastard game, scum can have a wincon that is not known to everyone, but -IS- known to them, and the game will not be bastard.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shaziro I s2g get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee
It's mod-confirmed that the extra delegates are tied to the host slot

[Shaziro]

As in only while they're host?

[Gamma Emerald]

As in only while they're host?

Yes.

[pidgey]

Also it makes sens that A50 can't be red scum correct ? i doubt theyd be 1 religion spreader and an anti-religion spreader in the same scum team (Considering that pagan means no religion) Im assuming both pidgey and pidgey are town

of course pidgey and pidgey are town

[Shaziro]

Oh. Well fuck it yeah make Brass host, sorry folks. I thought it was just the mod confirming that only the host got any extra delegates at all.

ALSO: Paganism in Civ V refers to a city with no majority religion. #ThingsILearnedOnTheCivVWiki

[pidgey]

VOTE: Gamma

HEAL: Joey

Both bad votes tbh. You have another vote for the WC and it would be best if you used it to support brass/ran

As for Gamma, I already explained, but here goes again:

If Elbrin died because of targeting Gamma it follows:
1- Town does NOT have a Vig
2- Both Scum teams targeted each other

I can accept #1 with a grain of salt, but #2 is tricky because Scum do NOT want to eliminate each other at the start of the game. They want to deplete the town first before they turn on each other. No way Orange Scum shoot Dunker on N1.

Im gonna laugh if Elbrin targetted a scum player but was also killed by a scum team at the same time. That's also a small possibilit and leaves the door open for a vig.

Vig kill dunk
Gamma dies from scum team and weak rb
other scum team kills other scumlord

[pidgey]

Titus, what are you even talking about. Nothing you say makes sense.

Also I did got a message from the "MODERADOR" and yeah he got my night action. I suppose its weird that I didnt get a list of my recruits even if I have 0. I might have been roleblocked?

[pidgey]

Woops that quote was a mistake. Kinda funny lol

are we e talking about HIDERSSS!!! cause that was an annoying 2 pages of stuff we dont know is even in the game being heavily speculated lol.

So We are doing brass council and world leader... titus? Kokichi? Honestly im fine with both.

[Almost50]

Shaziro I s2g get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee

It is also mod-confirmed the religion spreading thing doesn't affect night actions, and as so they would not prevent another spreader from targeting the same person and converting them once again (this is why I would need to be updated of whom my followers are. If it religion was meant to stick I would already know whom I've targeted and can either confirm in thread on get a "success" PM and that's it. the update PM suggests I could lose some of my followers my means other than death). Thank you.

Can somebody please Vig Shaziro?? Let me try something:

[ITA]Sahziro[/ITA]

[Gamma Emerald]

Shaziro I s2g get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee

It is also mod-confirmed the religion spreading thing doesn't affect night actions, and as so they would not prevent another spreader from targeting the same person and converting them once again (this is why I would need to be updated of whom my followers are. If it religion was meant to stick I would already know whom I've targeted and can either confirm in thread on get a "success" PM and that's it. the update PM suggests I could lose some of my followers my means other than death). Thank you.

Can somebody please Vig Shaziro?? Let me try something:

[ITA]Sahziro[/ITA]

Wait were you privy to that MU ita turbo

[Joey_]

Resolutions

Spoiler:

DAY 1

[

Ban Luxury

~ Silk]

PASSES

The World Congress will monitor its effects going forward, but angry letters from textile manufacturers and sex workers alike have already started pouring in.

Effect(s) Unknown.

[

Congressional Peace-keeping

~ brassherald]

PASSES

The World Congress sends its peace-keeping forces to

brassherald

's Civilization, a move that is sure to curtail aggression in the region.

brassherald receives Protection Night 1.

Gamestate 2.1

Alive

17/21

Spoiler:

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Chara	Nero Cain
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader ?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ? ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Dead

4/21

Spoiler:

Elbirn
Weak Permanent BG
▓▓▓▓
Varsoon
Role Cop
▓▓▓▓
Creature	Dunkerdoodles
Role Blocker	Pagan Spreader
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓

Spoiler: My reads

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Kokichi Oma	Nero Cain	Chara
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
?	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Shaziro	Action Dan	Pidgey	Jodaxq
?	?	Catholic Spreader	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	?	?	?
▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓

Changes :
Updated reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone got any burning questions? I'm about to check out for the night

[Almost50]

Shaziro I s2g get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee

It is also mod-confirmed the religion spreading thing doesn't affect night actions, and as so they would not prevent another spreader from targeting the same person and converting them once again (this is why I would need to be updated of whom my followers are. If it religion was meant to stick I would already know whom I've targeted and can either confirm in thread on get a "success" PM and that's it. the update PM suggests I could lose some of my followers my means other than death). Thank you.

Can somebody please Vig Shaziro?? Let me try something:

[ITA]Sahziro[/ITA]

Wait were you privy to that MU ita turbo

What Turbo?

I'll PM you about this (since it obviously has nothing to do with this or any other "ongoing" games, on or off site)

[Gamma Emerald]

In case someone doesn't understand
there was a turbo on MU I payed where I failed to understand how itas worked for multiple game days and it kinda made me waste my role

[Kokichi Oma]

Can we all unvote please till WC is figured out?

[Venmar]

Venmar: i read that as the bodyguard works night 2 onward, but could Elbirn have bodyguarded someone on night 1 and died that way?

No. Elbirn's role would not have protected on Night 1, but would have Night 2 and onwards.

(Votecount on the way)