In post 739, Reasonably Rational wrote:All of the above is not to say that I think OTM is scum, however, their play is questionable so far with regards to my slot at least
-Cerb
In post 744, Reasonably Rational wrote:I think OTM already let it go when they saw nobody was actually buying into their case. As I said, I would have just let it lie myself
but there are parts of that push that don't make sense for someone as familiar with me as they are to make.
these confuse me. cerb do you think onthemark is scum, or town?
I swear I'm trying my best
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In post 365, Micc wrote:VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.
For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.
How do you feel about the follow-up provided by Taly, after being questioned by Chara about this? That was also posted before you made this post, did you read it and ignored it, or missed it?
329 was terrible imo. The idea of claiming in order to spur discussion and interaction is gross. Wanting to give a public warning that his ability is ever changing and unpredictable is scum motivated preparation for later and further shows how he’s missing half the utility of the ability. Him showing uncertainty about Chara’s sarcasm and deciding to assume meaning instead of seeking clarification.
In post 701, Iconeum wrote:Venmar, who do you read as scum in this game?
Other then voting yourself 'for mana gain', you are voting Tibor because the slot went against purposefully lynching townie D1 as a general strategy... Of all things Tibor hydra posted, that's like the one thing I really liked about him.
it shouldn't be the the thing you like about them though, lol. tibor had a knee-jerk scum reaction to the strat chara mentioned and has been fake posting all game so far
Just got to this and besides chuckling at Charas post I’m also agreeing with Venmar on this read.
And fwiw I’ll be trying to lynch scum today not town.
Interesting vote Maid Cafe.
@Micc: Why are you voting for Taly over Tibor? You've expressed dissatisfaction with both slots(agreeing with Venmars scum read on Tibor, which indicates agreement that there exists a more significant history of scummy actions than that which exists for Taly(since that history is based on a singular event)), and Tibor has more votes already...so why not put more pressure on the other scum read?
In post 739, Reasonably Rational wrote:All of the above is not to say that I think OTM is scum, however, their play is questionable so far with regards to my slot at least
-Cerb
In post 744, Reasonably Rational wrote:I think OTM already let it go when they saw nobody was actually buying into their case. As I said, I would have just let it lie myself
but there are parts of that push that don't make sense for someone as familiar with me as they are to make.
these confuse me. cerb do you think onthemark is scum, or town?
I have no idea. I just know that OTM shouldn't be pushing me for these things, but they are...but a lot of people have, in the past, pushed me for things they know are normal for me in spite of being town.
I'm starting to think that when people do that sort of thing, it might be wholly NAI, and it's just them trying to strengthen their case by throwing a buncha shit together even if it's easily refuted.
no questions for Chara, Cerb? (this is not a serious post, i just want to chat.)
there, now i'm being very explicit. or should i keep making sarcastic posts and see who believes me and who doesn't? :>
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
In post 754, Chara wrote:no questions for Chara, Cerb? (this is not a serious post, i just want to chat.)
there, now i'm being very explicit. or should i keep making sarcastic posts and see who believes me and who doesn't? :>
I only have questions for people when something prompts me to have a question!
For example, I asked Micc a question because when I saw MC's vote, I was like wut? So I went to check Micc's ISO sinc eI expected it to be super short(and it was) and immediately found things that could justify a vote on them, so I asked about them.
Do you have any controversial opinions, or ones that, based on your knowledge of me, I wouldn't find to be sufficiently justified with what you've posted in the thread so far, so I can ask you about them?
In post 742, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Mark, Please let this go. I don't want a devolve theory discussion.
Feel free to comeback later or cop them if you need to.
If you don't lynch RR today, they still lead to buddy lynches if scum. I also really don't want them to be scum as I really want a game where we work together.
~Titus
I think OTM already let it go when they saw nobody was actually buying into their case. As I said, I would have just let it lie myself but there are parts of that push that don't make sense for someone as familiar with me as they are to make.
In other news.
How are you Titus? I haven't talked to you in forever. Your bday was yesterday ya, on Pi Day? Or was that the other head? How was it?
-Cerb
Mine. I still have other engagements throughout the week.
Hey Titus, what do you think is the most important thing to know about a closed setup when it comes to solving the game, other than the alignments of the players?
In post 755, Reasonably Rational wrote:Do you have any controversial opinions, or ones that, based on your knowledge of me, I wouldn't find to be sufficiently justified with what you've posted in the thread so far, so I can ask you about them?
no, not really.
i actually don't know what i expected. good chat. <3
pedit: can i answer this one too!
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
In post 755, Reasonably Rational wrote:Do you have any controversial opinions, or ones that, based on your knowledge of me, I wouldn't find to be sufficiently justified with what you've posted in the thread so far, so I can ask you about them?
no, not really.
i actually don't know what i expected. good chat. <3
my answer is different for grand themes like this one and for regular closed setups. (like normals, the more simple mini themes, etc.)
regular closed setups: how players use their roles and who's making it clear they're town.
grand themes: what knowledge the scum has about the setup that town does not, and how they use it.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
In post 765, Maid Cafe wrote:What is the spiciest read that you guys currently have?
Confidence doesn't really matter I am just curious.
~B
my spiciest read is my scumread on you two.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
In post 651, Tibor and Lumia wrote:oh btw
OTM, you say I was feeling scumread for the wrong reason, but honestly activity is sometimes the right reason for me. As scum I have a tendency to flake out if I'm not into a game for some reason, whilst as town I might have more drive to try anyway. Creature can back me up on this, I had an offsite game where I was disengaged due to post volume + my "lover" partner (basically my mason if I had been town) not being around, but me finding an in-road and having an active partner made me more invested.
See now I am all kinds of confused. Tabor said not to scumread activity cases and now you are saying to do so. At this point it’s kinda clear y’all aren’t talking with each other and that could be causing some reasons for scumreading you.
VOTE: Skybird
Well brass is new so he isn't quite familiar with the way I am as scum. As such he tried to defend me against what he saw as bad logic. Also now that I know who you are it makes perfect sense that you would be reading me this way, as it's the same way I acted in Overwatch mafia to start, which you replaced me in.
I'll try to communicate more with my partner in the future.
~Lumia
In post 752, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Micc: Why are you voting for Taly over Tibor? You've expressed dissatisfaction with both slots(agreeing with Venmars scum read on Tibor, which indicates agreement that there exists a more significant history of scummy actions than that which exists for Taly(since that history is based on a singular event)), and Tibor has more votes already...so why not put more pressure on the other scum read?
On a metric of scum pings per posts I’d say Taly is leading so that’s why I’m voting there now. And there’s like one vote on the Tibor hydra right now so the wagon size is pretty irrelevant.
If this is you saying you’re up for pressuring here then sure I guess I’m in. I think the reads in the catchup post and the Almost50 vote are kinda loose. The random theory question pointed at me is super ackward and I don’t see it’s purpose at all. They both gave at least partial indication that they thought Chara “lynch town day 1” strategy was serious and I kinda rolled my eyes at that.
@Cerb I skimmed your response.
My short answer to what I think is your main point I wasn’t going to get what I needed to read you and town reads were telling me to drop it.
My main response is where are your arguments that don’t involve my main in regards to my original case? Are there any? Or had you planned on outing my main in order to attempt to defend against the case?
Here's another, similar question, that relates the previous one to this game:
What is the most important thing about *this* game to know more about, excluding anything related to specific players.
Is it knowing how mana can be generated?
Is it knowing what different cards can do?
Is it knowing what factionals scum have?
Is it knowing what abilities players might have?
Etc. Purely mechnical knowledge, untied to specific players.
-Cerb
pedit: Naw micc, I'm not in any hurry to wagon anyone, I'm getting plenty of data with the way things are right now, I just found it interesting that you didn't move your vote elsewhere.
To me, there was something weird about their 1v1 with MC in the beginning which is what made me think one of them might be scum. But if one of them is, my vote is on MC. MC was stating earlier that he needs someone with no votes to vote them so they could get mana. (Post 566) That has been the case for them with Shining Dreamers since the first vote count. So why have they not voted SD and "gained" some mana?
Bottom line, not really interested in voting OTM at the moment. Still not sure if OTM is town but leaning more in that direction.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
To me, there was something weird about their 1v1 with MC in the beginning which is what made me think one of them might be scum. But if one of them is, my vote is on MC. MC was stating earlier that he needs someone with no votes to vote them so they could get mana. (Post 566) That has been the case for them with Shining Dreamers since the first vote count. So why have they not voted SD and "gained" some mana?
Bottom line, not really interested in voting OTM at the moment. Still not sure if OTM is town but leaning more in that direction.
How was it?
