Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[Mathdino]

If you're town, you've successfully outed and sealed the fate of the jailkeeper, while forfeiting your right to direct the town in your absence.

You say you thought I was jailkeeper, yet repeatedly said through D1 that you didn't think I was a PR,

even started wagoning me and A50

, ignored my reads, and were fully aware that you were my and A50's top scumread for today, yet you expected you could claim jailkeeper and I would just let you get away with it? If I were jailkeeper I would've counterclaimed on the spot.
If you're town, you need to take a serious look at your play. Developing a meta of fakeclaiming to save yourself is horrid.
A better strategy is to not ignore players' reads when you know they're good at reading each other. Get better as town and you won't have to fakeclaim.

If you're scum, hats off, you played fine and got fucked by good town.

Yeah I'm ready to end the day.

[JaydragonKing]

I played to the best of my ability, and Almost was scummy to me. I thought the Jailkeeper would just let me get shot night two but he didn't think like me, which is understandable from his perspective I guess. Not what I would do, but yeah.

No regrets.

[Mathdino]

If you actually have no regrets, you've basically made yourself the hands down optimal policy lynch of the open queue.

[JaydragonKing]

Well when (definitely not just if) we cross paths in the future, you can definitely just show this game to anyone as a case against me then. I look forward to you attempting to hang me every single time.

[mutantdevle]

VOTE: JaydragonKing

[Mathdino]

When he flips scum:

Vig Paradox
Jail Aneninen

If he flps VT:

Vig mutantdevle
Jail whoever you want

If he flips Jailkeeper:

Vig Gamma Emerald

[JaydragonKing]

Here lies Elsa Jay, Vanilla Townie and Village Idiot.

They died they way they lived-

Somehow fucking everything up.

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: JaydragonKing

This is a hammer by my count. I'll post the flip when I have access to computer. (Approximately 17 hours later)

[RedFlavor]

VC 2.01

JaydragonKing(5):

Luca Blight 1587, Gamma Emerald 1655, TheGoldenParadox 1769 Mathdino 1821, mutantdevle 1829

Hammer!

Not Voting:

everyone else

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

A majority has been reached.
JaydragonKing will be lynched!

[RedFlavor]

Here lies JaydragonKing,

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

They died they way they lived-

Somehow fucking everything up.


Night 2 has Started! It will end after (expired on 2018-03-16 16:40:00)

[RedFlavor]

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!
Did you sleep well?

jmo16mla has died! Their role was:

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

northsidegal has died! Their role was:

Spoiler:

Town Vigilante

Day 3 has started! Deadline is 10 days from now, meaning Day 3 will end in (expired on 2018-03-26 16:40:00)

[RedFlavor]

VC 3.00

Not Voting:

everyone

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Day three ends Monday, March 26th at 6.40 PM UTC or in (expired on 2018-03-26 16:40:00)

Mod Notes: Have fun! Do not forget that this day has 10 day deadline.

[TheGoldenParadox]

FIRST

--Congrats!

[TheGoldenParadox]

It's... 4v2 MyLo. 1 Town Jailkeeper, 1 Backup Rolecop, and 2 VTs vs Mafia Rolecop and Mafia Goon.
Is our best strategy today to lynch Anen or Mutant and try to get a successful protection or roleblock from Gamma tonight?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Gamma who did you jail last night?

[TheGoldenParadox]

FIRST

--Congrats!

<3

[jmo16mla]

Fuck.

[Luca Blight]

So obviously there's two scum out of Mutant, Anen, Math and Paradox.

I'm going to be busy pretty much until Tuesday but I'll try and do some analysis here and there.

[Luca Blight]

Whoever is scum obviously had a good idea NSG was vig - missing a pr would have basically been game over for scum at this point.

From my perspective it could have been Mutant, jmo or NSG - which I guess lends value to Mutant being one of the scum.

[Luca Blight]

Do we feel safe ruling out a Math/Paradox scumteam? I've been paranoid about that for a while, but there were a few interactions which make it seem unlikely.

If we can rule that out then at least one of Mutant/Anen are scum.

[Mathdino]

NSG made a terrible shot

It's mutant/Paradox, and gammas jail tonight will give us the 1 mislynch to solve it

[Mathdino]

I should basically be conf town once mutant flips scum

[Luca Blight]

Guys, relax, is just a game and I get it, I'm not going anywhere. I'm having fun nevertheless; if I weren't, I would've replaced out long ago, after my first readlist. But let's keep things going: I may be dead, but I haven't lost the game as this is a team game, so go on and push another wagon. Just to be clear: I don't think this "push a wagon till getting a claim" is the best strategy at all. Also, I'm following my own reads right now and put my vote on A50, as I'm really tired of his vig softclaims that could justify his lack of content and voting for anyone who's getting pushed without explaining himself. Maybe it's a playstyle thing, but whatever.
VOTE: Almost50

Pin steering the attention away from the Mutant wagon looks pretty bad on Mutant, particularly given Pin and Mutant were 'scumreading' each other; why would scum-pin want to interrupt another townie getting to L-1 and claiming?

[Mathdino]

Whoever is scum obviously had a good idea NSG was vig - missing a pr would have basically been game over for scum at this point.

From my perspective it could have been Mutant, jmo or NSG - which I guess lends value to Mutant being one of the scum.

The vig was super obviously in {NSG, jmo}. Jay literally openly fished for the vig. That combined with NSG referring to N1 as a confidence booster, yeah.

What I'm wondering is what kind of scumteam thinks vig is actually a bigger threat to them than jailkeeper.

Do we feel safe ruling out a Math/Paradox scumteam? I've been paranoid about that for a while, but there were a few interactions which make it seem unlikely.

If we can rule that out then at least one of Mutant/Anen are scum.

You should also rule out a Math/mutant scumteam on the basis that I tried my damnedest to get him vigged.

My basic argument here is to Gamma:
The scumteam made an objectively suboptimal play there. Confirmed Jailkeeper before Possible Vigilante in potential MyLo is the correct call.

That is not a play I would even have thought of making. The scumteam for whatever reason thought the jailkeeper was less of a threat than the vig.

This implies one of 2 things:
1. Your reads are significantly shittier than NSG's
2. mutant is likely scum, AND mutant is scum who took the shot knowing you would jail elsewhere.

@NSG:

To be clear the reason that was a questionable shot is because Gamma very well could've jailed jmo, stopping the shot altogether.

[Luca Blight]

I actually really agree with Anen's point about Math manipulating the vig, which is why I feel one of them is scum.

Well then, what are you waiting for. Jump on the wagon again, let's lynch Aneninen and if he flips town, the vig shoots Dino.

If Aneninen flips scum, we follow the first plan and the vig shoots me.

This I guess means Anen is unlikely to be scum?