Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

[Dunnstral]

I am curious why Dunn is voting for Quick.

I think he has a decent chance of being scum, and if he's just going to blindly push into me then sure I'll vote him + that's what lycan is pushing

[Ranmaru]

come on guys this is fucking obvious.

I generally preach a compromise pool of four people (Note on Day 2 I even suggested people to use a bottom for in terms of compromises). You had a pool of three people, Day 3, and lynched outside of it. It's no different then that.

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral: can you stop fucking your town meta to help your scumgame and do something productive this game you're pissing my team off thanks

Yeah I'm not doing anything like this

[Ranmaru]

We are in danger of not getting a lynch off and the points made against Ran makes sense and this is another good point. I will hammer Ran if that is what it takes to get a lynch off.

What is your read on Shadoweh?

[LicketyQuickety]

We are in danger of not getting a lynch off and the points made against Ran makes sense and this is another good point. I will hammer Ran if that is what it takes to get a lynch off.

What is your read on Shadoweh?

Null.

[Ranmaru]

Why haven't you tried to fix that.

[Ranmaru]

Reads:

Town

Davsto
North
Gamma
Dan
Shea
Lycan

Scum

Marquis
Ran
Dunn

Hopefully that is black and white enough for people.

What changed from here to there.

[Thestatusquo]

come on guys this is fucking obvious.

I generally preach a compromise pool of four people (Note on Day 2 I even suggested people to use a bottom for in terms of compromises). You had a pool of three people, Day 3, and lynched outside of it. It's no different then that.

there are 8 people alive. you are suggesting that you're willing to vote half the playerlist, and I suspect actually that number is higher given other things you've said today.

a) no, I had a group I thought was scum, and then I developed a new scum read and gained a town read. You keep trying to pretend like I voted for ces and had him as a null town read, but that is not the case, and you keep ignoring me when I correct you. Stop trying to subtly discredit me.

b) 3/11 is a pretty big difference from 4+/8. One is, you know, a reasonable suspect pool for someone who is trying to get town reads and narrow down the suspects in a game, the other is over half of the player list.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why haven't you tried to fix that.

Better options.

Based on play, I have that slot as Scum. But the association against Marquis from CES and the fact that Marquis replaced out (which indicates that Marquis was telling the truth about not being able to catch up) make me drop the read to Null. I'm not on board with the tin foil theory that CES was bussing. Shadoweh isn't doing much, pretty much the same as Marquis. I don't see anything that is going to change from Shadoweh so I am left leaving them as Null.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm voting ranmaru or dunn. I think everyone else is town. I find it highly unlikely that I will be convinced to vote for anyone else, and you guys aren't even trying to convince me. you're just voting and acting as if that's somehow a compelling argument against why I'm town reading people.

Dan thinks marquis was a bus. I disagree very strongly. But at least dan is trying to look at why I think shadoweh is town and deconstruct it. the people voting LQ haven't even tried.

and fucking no one has responded to my case on ranmaru.

[Ranmaru]

Alright Shea. Here's what I'm thinking right now. I'm starting to waver on my town read of Quick. You say that whenever I start to switch gears, that I don't try to sort them, or determine their alignment, yet I am asking Quick questions, and I do note that he side steps each one. Yet, I note that Quick has been pushing Dunn, avoiding giving reads on anyone else. Note that, this is very different than his past play. I will say that I don't usually like to give out my thoughts in the moment when I am wavering, I just like to ask questions and then post my reads list. Today it seemed more tuned to just having a case on Dunn and pushing him. He's willing to compromise to Dan, and Me, but not Shadoweh. What do you think of his vote on Dan? Why are you ignoring his actions? If you are town, I want you to consider that, you are trying to condemn me (who has been obvious town, but was muddied by CES's flip) yet, you ignore someone who seemed suspicious at first, but got better to you due to 'stupidity'. I want us to talk about that. Even if I get lynched today.

I'm stating in the open that I'm not confident in my reads right now. I think it's possible you (Shea, Davsto) are a team, but i'm also considering (Quick, Marquis) as a team as well. Dunn is a hard one because all I have is his vote on Quick when he town read him earlier. So that's what I'm thinking, right now. Anyway, If there is a post you'd really like me to reply to, or any thoughts you want to poke out of my brain, I'm willing to give that.

[Ranmaru]

Shea

: On my town flip, who would you look into and why?

[Shadoweh]

Ran, you struck me as really genuinely trying to figure things out. I find that if I'm feeling pangs of guilt pursuing someone that I should listen to myself and look elsewhere.
The question was a bit bizarre to me first because like, you were there, you should be able to answer that yourself?
(nothing is more annoying then people who get upset when you think townie things of them)

Look is it really impossible for you to conceive of a world where Ran is genuine and LQ is scum? I get where you're coming from on Ran, it just doesn't fit to me. I'm okay with agreeing to disagree for now because someone is going to have to cave regardless.

[Shadoweh]

Oh no, you caught me. I sure would be sad if you helped me bus my best friend Licketysplit here!

[Ranmaru]

I'm not upset, I was just curious as to why. Generally Marquis had a town read on me, but after had a scumread on me but never talked to me or tried to work with me or consider what I said. You are, so I'm liking you. I'm also liking your recent posts about LQ, especially if he is scum. (Earlier on your slot had interactions with Quick that made it seem like you and him were partners, but by now you seem committed to it, I would feel you would have to switch if you were scum with him at this moment)

[Ranmaru]

Quick: Why aren't you pushing Dunn right now? There is support for it. Voting Dan distracts from you lynching Dunn.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick: Why aren't you pushing Dunn right now? There is support for it. Voting Dan distracts from you lynching Dunn.

Dan, you let me down by voting lynchbait.

How is that any different then voting and pushing for Dunn?

I mean Dunn is voting Dan for fucks sake. Dan was the one guy that North said they could be wrong on IIRC. More opportunism from Dunn. It's obvious as shit in a urinal that Dunn is Scum here.

Tell you what, Lycan. If Dan ends up voting someone else besides Dunn, I'll vote Dan.

[LicketyQuickety]

And I'm not sidestepping shit. You asked me my read on Shadoweh and I answered in full. What's your problem anyways?

[Ranmaru]

Instead of answering my questions directly, you give a quote that doesn't answer my question in depth. Multiple times.

I mean Dunn is voting Dan for fucks sake. Dan was the one guy that North said they could be wrong on IIRC. More opportunism from Dunn. It's obvious as shit in a urinal that Dunn is Scum here.

I don't see why you use NSG to push Dan, when she scumread Shea, then Dunnstral. What do you think of her Shea read?

[Ranmaru]

Quick: On my town flip, does your read change on Shea?

[Lycanfire]

Hello I will let the dead talk through me because my team has melded with NSGteam. NSG team illegally reads Dan as town. Mathdino is a big proponent of it for ~reasons~. That doen't make Dan town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick: On my town flip, does your read change on Shea?

No

[Ranmaru]

Lycanfire, why do you think Lickitquick voted Dan then?

[Ranmaru]

I hate to say this because it means I was wrong, but I think the shea wagon is a Scum driven wagon.

So, if I flip town, why does your read on Shea remain unchanged.

[Lycanfire]

Lycanfire, why do you think Lickitquick voted Dan then?

white flag gambit, he's given up 3+ times in this thread alone already, and out of this thread as well. it got him this far.