Open 716: Making Friends and Enemies [Game Over]

[popsofctown]

I'm scumhunting and accepting collateral damage. Considering a post complete because it includes a scolding for one of the mafia ten commandments, that's not doing anything.

[Agent Sparkles]

I'm scumhunting and accepting collateral damage. Considering a post complete because it includes a scolding for one of the mafia ten commandments, that's not doing anything.

Is 18 serious then? Because I interpreted it as just another RVS post, but if not then the problem with publicly discussing what could come from masons when you've already made your point should be obvious.

[Agent Sparkles]

Vote verydark

That's a real vote on scum and I'll definitely come back to it post game and brag that I caught him Day 1.

I also have a real read on Mathdino if anyone wants to guess what that is. Same for Agent Sparkles but that one isn't as strong.

So three reads on page 1. I also want to guess town on Gamma and scum on pops but those are so weak that their next post could definitely change my guess.

I guess town on Math because of his immediate commitment to reminding people of common-sense strategy? As for me, I have no idea.

I'm definitely interested in seeing the reason behind the verydark read, considering 6 was his one contribution to the thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

suggests his alignment has two components

What are the two components of the scum roles in this setup again?

Alignment and partner's name.

Righto, thought you meant "ability" and alignment, and scum are vanilla scum, didn't think of partners.

Agree with Dino though, Mason hunting is bad mmk.

scum ability is the nightkill

[Kmd4390]

Vote verydark

That's a real vote on scum and I'll definitely come back to it post game and brag that I caught him Day 1.

I also have a real read on Mathdino if anyone wants to guess what that is. Same for Agent Sparkles but that one isn't as strong.

So three reads on page 1. I also want to guess town on Gamma and scum on pops but those are so weak that their next post could definitely change my guess.

I guess town on Math because of his immediate commitment to reminding people of common-sense strategy? As for me, I have no idea.

I'm definitely interested in seeing the reason behind the verydark read, considering 6 was his one contribution to the thread.

Correct. Mathdino is a town read. You are a town read as well.

Verydark's phrasing of "let's get some scum" is what the new kids are calling LAMIST if I'm not mistaken.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: Vote: Gamma Emerald

Saying "I have not the liberty of selecting anything about my alignment" instead of saying "I have not the liberty of selecting my alignment" suggests his alignment has two components - a side, and a set of people who share that alignment. A VT would be more likely to naturally construct the latter statement.

Doesn't really rule out a masonslip, but the quality of lynching someone who is mason/scum is significantly better than random lynching, so this is where my vote should go for now.

What is happening in this post?
VOTE: popsofctown

@mod @popsofctown would 'pops' be an acceptable nickname?


TRing MD but not for the mason warning. For the prediction in the first post. I've seen day 1 predictions. I've seen page 1 predictions. This is my first post 1 prediction. He's thinking about bragging rights before ANYTHING else. Townie.

Or scum being very very very 'calculating'?

*leaves the building before the boos*

[Kmd4390]

Don't town read me for that. I'd do it as scum too.

[BuJaber]

Noted

[BuJaber]

MD is mathdino ftr.. I should probably say dino in this game to avoid confusion.

[davesaz]

TRing MD but not for the mason warning. For the prediction in the first post. I've seen day 1 predictions. I've seen page 1 predictions. This is my first post 1 prediction. He's thinking about bragging rights before ANYTHING else. Townie.

That "prediction" is NAI. It's a joke based on our Team Mafia team.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Vote: Gamma Emerald

Saying "I have not the liberty of selecting anything about my alignment" instead of saying "I have not the liberty of selecting my alignment" suggests his alignment has two components - a side, and a set of people who share that alignment. A VT would be more likely to naturally construct the latter statement.

Doesn't really rule out a masonslip, but the quality of lynching someone who is mason/scum is significantly better than random lynching, so this is where my vote should go for now.

The more I look at this the more I feel like it's scum blatantly masonhunting hoping for refuge in audacity
VOTE: popsocftown

[davesaz]

VOTE: Mathdino for accusing Kmd and Gamma but not voting

Very shallow, but it was still RVS so don't put much weight on that shallowness.

VOTE: Vote: Gamma Emerald

Saying "I have not the liberty of selecting anything about my alignment" instead of saying "I have not the liberty of selecting my alignment" suggests his alignment has two components - a side, and a set of people who share that alignment. A VT would be more likely to naturally construct the latter statement.

This is most likely just a lack of understanding that a bunch of the player list were in Team Mafia in which people did get to choose their alignments by choosing which game to play, so there will likely be running gags on that for a while. However I'm not a big fan of slip hunting. People don't really slip all that much.

[BuJaber]

TRing MD but not for the mason warning. For the prediction in the first post. I've seen day 1 predictions. I've seen page 1 predictions. This is my first post 1 prediction. He's thinking about bragging rights before ANYTHING else. Townie.

That "prediction" is NAI. It's a joke based on our Team Mafia team.

Well now I feel dumb.

[Kmd4390]

TRing MD but not for the mason warning. For the prediction in the first post. I've seen day 1 predictions. I've seen page 1 predictions. This is my first post 1 prediction. He's thinking about bragging rights before ANYTHING else. Townie.

That "prediction" is NAI. It's a joke based on our Team Mafia team.

It is?

[GuiltyLion]

Scumslips don't happen.

who are you and what did you do with the real Mathdino

also hi everybody!

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: verydark

I can sheep this

also my hot take is gonna be pops vs Gamma is TvT

[Mathdino]

Townslips happen all the time! Scumslips don't happen in that way.

I admit scumslips do happen lategame but never on page 1.

I feel sufficiently pocketed by KMD that I'm even willing to wagon people for him!
VOTE: Verydark

Also whoever's voting pops for masonhunting is bad. Scum has no motivation to PUBLICLY masonhunt. It's just anti-town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Townslips happen all the time! Scumslips don't happen in that way.

I admit scumslips do happen lategame but never on page 1.

I feel sufficiently pocketed by KMD that I'm even willing to wagon people for him!
VOTE: Verydark

Also whoever's voting pops for masonhunting is bad. Scum has no motivation to PUBLICLY masonhunt. It's just anti-town.

That would be me and it's more the timing of it feeling planned to give maximum loudness

[davesaz]

TRing MD but not for the mason warning. For the prediction in the first post. I've seen day 1 predictions. I've seen page 1 predictions. This is my first post 1 prediction. He's thinking about bragging rights before ANYTHING else. Townie.

That "prediction" is NAI. It's a joke based on our Team Mafia team.

It is?

Well, I'm assuming it is. It may not be a joke given it's Dino, in which case I can only speak to 1/4 of the prediction being wrong.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Vote: Gamma Emerald

Saying "I have not the liberty of selecting anything about my alignment" instead of saying "I have not the liberty of selecting my alignment" suggests his alignment has two components - a side, and a set of people who share that alignment. A VT would be more likely to naturally construct the latter statement.

Doesn't really rule out a masonslip, but the quality of lynching someone who is mason/scum is significantly better than random lynching, so this is where my vote should go for now.

The more I look at this the more I feel like it's scum blatantly masonhunting hoping for refuge in audacity
VOTE: popsocftown

this doesn't read fake honestly

i don't really believe scum goes into the thread and thinks "how about i make everyone think i'm town by doing an obviously anti-town thing"

at least not a 2008er

mulch would obviously do that lol

[Aster]

@mod @popsofctown would 'pops' be an acceptable nickname?

Yes, it would.

[Kmd4390]

TRing MD but not for the mason warning. For the prediction in the first post. I've seen day 1 predictions. I've seen page 1 predictions. This is my first post 1 prediction. He's thinking about bragging rights before ANYTHING else. Townie.

That "prediction" is NAI. It's a joke based on our Team Mafia team.

It is?

Well, I'm assuming it is. It may not be a joke given it's Dino, in which case I can only speak to 1/4 of the prediction being wrong.

Oh, I'm dumb. Was thinking BuJaber meant my reads in my first post. Yeah, Mathdino's was clearly a Serious Business joke.

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My vote becoming a wagon has me a little paranoid, but both votes seem fine on their own...

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On, pops, it feels more like "fuck you, I'm doing my thing". He's definitely not just scum trying to blatantly hunt masons. If he's doing that as scum, it's for town cred or because he'd do it as town. I don't really think Gamma voting him for it is scummy though. I feel like I've seen Gamma reach early in games.

[davesaz]

VOTE: darkside
Deadline is much shorter than normal so we can't mess around and wait a week before generating movement of some kind.

[popsofctown]

If you identify the four players who have partners, you do instantly win this setup. Obviously identifying the players who cannot win if they are lynched is the cleaner less costly angle of scumhunting. But I'll take what I can get.

I don't see why my case is being characterized as a slip. Nothing about it is a slip. He said that he didn't get to choose anything about his role, and didn't get to choose anything else. If he's VT, he didn't get to choose that he is town, and he didn't get to choose his partners, and his partners is the empty set. It's totally valid to make a statement about an empty set. People are just more likely to comment on nonempty sets. If someone took me out on a date, and I said I didn't get to select a dessert, you would assume my date treated me to a specific dessert, but if I said we didn't have time for dessert you wouldn't complain my previous statement was invalid.

Unless you're all just saying this statement of probability is so obvious that he would preview edit it out which just seems like too scummy to be scum fallacy.

Gamma Emerald's progression from 18 to 25 is terrible. I made no intervening posts to change his read. The only change is that BuJaber joined the wagon making it seem more viable and socially acceptable. BuJaber didn't even post a case that Gamma might have found compelling, he just asked "what is going on here".

[popsofctown]

scanning up I don't see anything better going on. VOTE: Gamma Emerald