Micro 792: Three in One (Day 6)

[Mathdino]

i am more likely to roll town than scum in both future games

bambietta's presence reduces my likely winrate

thus if we're going to lynch bambi at all it needs to be before lylo

Still afraid of my scum game that much, huh?

i'm actually significantly more afraid of your towngame

[Something_Smart]

Still afraid of my scum game that much, huh?

I think he's afraid of your towngame more

[Something_Smart]

Lol

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Lmao

[Mathdino]

like i actually genuinely fear your towngame at this point

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Well that's why I'm trying to make my town game more like my scum one so it's better in general.

[Mathdino]

get me out of here

[Something_Smart]

With Mathdino on this one.

What is it that you think is the problem with your towngame?

In my experience you seem to be too trusting of charismatic people and distrusting of uncharismatic people.

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Now your meming.

My scum strategy of following you has worked much better then my town strategy of ignoring everything you say and doing my own shit, so I'll listen more to you this game. Just not on my policy Lynch.

What reads you actually got, Dino?

[Bambietta Basterbine]

With Mathdino on this one.

What is it that you think is the problem with your towngame?

In my experience you seem to be too trusting of charismatic people and distrusting of uncharismatic people.

It's still kinda the same, but now I'm following pretty anime women too.

[CheekyTeeky]

i am more likely to roll town than scum in both future games

bambietta's presence reduces my likely winrate

thus if we're going to lynch bambi at all it needs to be before lylo

Lol aren't we all more likely to roll town? I was going for a specific explanation that would come from town. This one's not it :/

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Wait... 2/9, 2/7, 2/5....

Your LESS likely to roll town in the future!

[CheekyTeeky]

Dino is looking towards the future two games after this one, Cheeky. He'll take me and NotMaf being hung the first two as town so that even if town loses or something, he won't have to deal with us as potential scum in the future.

Yeah but he didn't say this specifically. What he said was scummy af. 1. He used rolling town as a reason. 2. He want's you lynched before LYLO which could mean you're not one of the first two people lynched who would be knocked out.

[Mathdino]

reads for bambi:

Bambi: policy lynchable
Cheeky: bad reads and hard townreads you, is scum pocketing you
Gamma: capable of faking gamesolving, probscum sucking up to me
northsidegal: has posted nothing game relevant, basically scumclaiming
Not_Mafia: policy lynchable with extreme prejudice (although should be kept around depending on how spicy his memes are)
PenguinPower: blanket disapproval of optimal claiming strategy is exactly the kind of scum pushback i get from my gamebreaking
RedFlavor: blatantly chainsaw defending/WKing not_mafia, deserves rope, probably scum
SomethingSmart: honestly he's scummy in every game i've played with him so

does that help at all

[northsidegal]

Hi North

VOTE: NSG

Pedit kind of? I like them.

hey cheeky! can we finally have a game where we're both town again?

rvs vote, or serious? you mentioned a few other suspects you had, why vote me?

[CheekyTeeky]

@Math: Oh excuse me for getting the game started. Don't call my reads bad until lynch Kthnx!

Pedit

Hi North, I'm town, hoping you are too. Just knocking on your door

[northsidegal]

Thinking about it I have a theory about scumplay in this game but I'll hold it cos I wanna see if anyone plays like I would expect scum to

i actually think i know exactly what you're saying

but i would also play like that as town (if not more likely to)

and i think you know this about me

Why do you think I'm talking specifically about you

math, did you ever answer this?

[Mathdino]

i am more likely to roll town than scum in both future games

bambietta's presence reduces my likely winrate

thus if we're going to lynch bambi at all it needs to be before lylo

Lol aren't we all more likely to roll town? I was going for a specific explanation that would come from town. This one's not it :/

if you expect me to play solely this game when there are explicitly 3 games in the mix...
i don't know how to make an underhanded reference about what you should expect of my play without breaking site rules
something something almost50 gets me

the only thing that is pro-town about me policy lynching bambi is that their presence reduces town winrate, and is more anti-town as the game goes on (scum has never lost a lylo with bambi present)

i fully expect this town to lynch them at some point considering how often they get lynched
and if they don't lynch them, i fully expect bambi to choose wrong in lylo

obviously lynching them now doesn't change the calculus much for this game, but it removes them from next game if town loses

bonus points if bambi rolled scum too

Dino is looking towards the future two games after this one, Cheeky. He'll take me and NotMaf being hung the first two as town so that even if town loses or something, he won't have to deal with us as potential scum in the future.

Yeah but he didn't say this specifically. What he said was scummy af. 1. He used rolling town as a reason. 2. He want's you lynched before LYLO which could mean you're not one of the first two people lynched who would be knocked out.

literally correct
i don't expect to be lynched D1 or D2, especially not in a playerlist 7/8 of which are experienced with me
i also expect lowkey expect town to lose
so we should make one of the first two lynches a straight policy lynch

[Mathdino]

Thinking about it I have a theory about scumplay in this game but I'll hold it cos I wanna see if anyone plays like I would expect scum to

i actually think i know exactly what you're saying

but i would also play like that as town (if not more likely to)

and i think you know this about me

Why do you think I'm talking specifically about you

math, did you ever answer this?

nah
i didn't think he was specifically talking about me
but i thought about what he was saying and i realised that it basically describes how i'm going to be playing this game (a play that i thought about before even joining)

[northsidegal]

i don't really like the idea of policy lynching just to set up for future games – it feels kind of weird, like playing towards a future wincondition or something. not even a future wincondition, but maybe even just sacrificing parts of this game to have a potentially better next game. i'd really rather just lynch scumreads.

doesn't it also assume that whoever we're policy lynching is on the losing team for this game?

Yeah but he didn't say this specifically. What he said was scummy af. 1. He used rolling town as a reason. 2. He want's you lynched before LYLO which could mean you're not one of the first two people lynched who would be knocked out.

what do you mean by 2? i don't really get what you're saying here.

[northsidegal]

nah
i didn't think he was specifically talking about me
but i thought about what he was saying and i realised that it basically describes how i'm going to be playing this game (a play that i thought about before even joining)

is there some reason in specific to be cryptic about it?

[northsidegal]

reads for bambi:

Bambi: policy lynchable
Cheeky: bad reads and hard townreads you, is scum pocketing you
Gamma: capable of faking gamesolving, probscum sucking up to me
northsidegal: has posted nothing game relevant, basically scumclaiming
Not_Mafia: policy lynchable with extreme prejudice (although should be kept around depending on how spicy his memes are)
PenguinPower: blanket disapproval of optimal claiming strategy is exactly the kind of scum pushback i get from my gamebreaking
RedFlavor: blatantly chainsaw defending/WKing not_mafia, deserves rope, probably scum
SomethingSmart: honestly he's scummy in every game i've played with him so

does that help at all

Hello, sauce.

[Mathdino]

i don't really like the idea of policy lynching just to set up for future games – it feels kind of weird, like playing towards a future wincondition or something. not even a future wincondition, but maybe even just sacrificing parts of this game to have a potentially better next game. i'd really rather just lynch scumreads.

doesn't it also assume that whoever we're policy lynching is on the losing team for this game?

i understand/respect that you feel this way but it does not sway me at all lol

policy lynches are justifiable in any context, they just happen to be even better in this setup

and yes it basically does: bambi/not_mafia are good at scum and are likely to win at scum if not lynched (which ensures they carry to next game)
however if they're both town, town also almost certainly loses because they're never getting nightkilled

like what's basically gonna happen is
N1. Mathdino dies unless he starts really scumming it up
N2. NSG dies unless she's scum
if we haven't lynched scum by that point it's a likely loss anyway
unless we can avoid that loss mechanically
which is the entire point of trying to optimise the setup with the tracker claim (which you disagree with for some reason)

is there some reason in specific to be cryptic about it?

respect for gamma; i don't care either way because i think it's NAI

reads for bambi:

Bambi: policy lynchable
Cheeky: bad reads and hard townreads you, is scum pocketing you
Gamma: capable of faking gamesolving, probscum sucking up to me
northsidegal: has posted nothing game relevant, basically scumclaiming
Not_Mafia: policy lynchable with extreme prejudice (although should be kept around depending on how spicy his memes are)
PenguinPower: blanket disapproval of optimal claiming strategy is exactly the kind of scum pushback i get from my gamebreaking
RedFlavor: blatantly chainsaw defending/WKing not_mafia, deserves rope, probably scum
SomethingSmart: honestly he's scummy in every game i've played with him so

does that help at all

Hello, sauce.

[CheekyTeeky]

i also expect lowkey expect town to lose
so we should make one of the first two lynches a straight policy lynch

I have no idea how you could expect town to lose this early in the game unless you're scum.

[Mathdino]

i also expect lowkey expect town to lose
so we should make one of the first two lynches a straight policy lynch

I have no idea how you could expect town to lose this early in the game unless you're scum.

playerlist, mostly

and i have no idea why you would think i'd be more confident in a town loss if i myself am scum

i get investigated a lot

my hope was to alter win probability with claiming strategy (because town's #1 problem with this setup is power roles getting shot) but that's not happening either so