Open 716: Making Friends and Enemies [Game Over]

[verydark]

Hello everybody! Let’s get some scum!

VOTE: Agent Sparkles

[verydark]

Wow, ya'll are killing me.

I literally just finished a newbie game, and only have 4 games under my belt TOTAL (from 7 years ago). I was just RVSing. Chill out, good grief.

I wanted to play a game a little more fast paced than the newbie ones, I guess I should have emotionally prepared myself.

I phoneposted the RVS comment, and was 3rd to post. Didn't really have anything funny to comment on, except Agent Sparkles is a funny name that I could memorize by the time I got to the reply box.

I'm really going to need you to get me off L-3, please.

[verydark]

who should we vote instead?

Well if you don't want to kick off the game by lynching town on D-1, I'd suggest literally ANYONE else.

[verydark]

Request vote count.

This is gonna be one for the ages

Edit: ok both GL and NSG are harping on this shit
Gonna go metadive Sandos to see if anything can be AI

This guy is getting on my nerves. Why are you trying to push a lynch so fucking fast? We are on page FOUR.

I think you're being neurotic to distract people. This is where the wagon should go.

VOTE: Mathdino

[verydark]

Lmao, I actually just noticed I'm at L-2.

Well here you go, someone hammer me.

VOTE: verydark

You wanna waste a D-1 lynch on town? It's not me, idiots.

[verydark]

p-edit: well I was gonna hop off before the self vote but now I'm definitely gonna hop off

lmaoooooooo

[verydark]

can you not self-vote and vote Mathdino instead

I mean, I guess.

VOTE: Mathdino

Sometimes (all the time) I like to play when I've been drinking, and putting me at L2 on page four got me a bit upset.

Carry on.

[verydark]

You were already voting for me, so pretty minimal risk, I suppose.

[verydark]

And what's your town motivation for whatever "wagon test" you were doing lol. I'm still at L-2. Scum could still hammer me.

[verydark]

There's 13 players currently. Your math is terrible. And your expedited lynch idea is even worse.

[verydark]

You certainly had no problem getting me to L-2, so what's the difference? Can we just call your "wagon test" a part of RVS and keep it moving? Only 5 people have even posted in the last few hours.

You advocated lynching me because I said "Let's get some scum!".

[verydark]

NSG why the flying fuck are you not on this wagon

it can be a historic moment

we can show this wagon is some Serious Fucking Business

...this work for you?

Hello everybody! Let’s get some scum!

VOTE: Agent Sparkles

...the post that caused you to want to create a "historical moment"

[verydark]

I think verydark dropped a strong towntell prior to the self-vote but I also vowed to not let self-voters live due to getting utterly fucked by a super townish scum self-vote in Not_Mafia's game (and getting fucked by Gamma's horribad self-hammer). Call it policy. People who are willing to go so far as to say "LOOK AT ME, JUST GET IT OVER WITH AND HAMMER ME" are very VERY capable of faking those kinds of reactions as scum. It's a disgusting meta.

So can we just chalk this up to newbie? you can look at the last game I played, I didn't even know self-voting was an allowable game mechanic. I'm still getting my "mafia voice". I don't endorse a quick lynch ever though, so let's get it right on D1.

[verydark]

You certainly had no problem getting me to L-2, so what's the difference? Can we just call your "wagon test" a part of RVS and keep it moving? Only 5 people have even posted in the last few hours.

And yes, wagoning people is literally what RVS is about. The other wagon option was pops, who I was townreading, and Gamma, who made a bad vote but isn't scum for it. You I was nullreading.

So who is your actual scum tell, now that we are exiting RVS?

[verydark]

@verydark: You claim you did not know that self voting was a permissible action. And I believe you on this. I do not believe you completed four games and didn't learn that unvoting is a permissible action. Why didn't that follow after you realized the gravity of what you'd done?
At first i was willing, perhaps too willing, to accept that explanation. But it seems a bit off. It seems like he demands his behavior be characterized a certain way, yet refuses to even play the part, lest he be seen to be behaving like an actor.

I poorly explained this.

My point was, that maybe I got a bit overzealous and used a game mechanic I just learned about, without knowing how it (apparently) is frowned upon. My logic was a bit shortsighted as well, I figured scum wouldn't hammer because that would put them under scrutiny, and hopefully disband the growing wagon on me. Since we are all talking about "reaction tests" I guess that was mine. I did unvote a few posts later.

Lesson learned about the self-voting, it's more damaging than helpful. Got it.

[verydark]

@Mod, I am in favor of extending the deadline.

[verydark]

So ya'll think scum is on my wagon or nah?

[verydark]

why did you self-vote? did you not realize that your wagon wasn't really a lynch wagon in the first place?

I actually didn't. After I cast my RVS vote, I logged in a day later and was at L-2, then I noticed the 6 day deadline and thought maybe this is the speed in which these games move. I was mistaken, and as Gamma pointed out, I'm an idiot for not picking up on the sarcasm.

[verydark]

 since self-voting you have done almost no scumhunting at all

Sorry, I'm a bit busy trying to get this wagon off me...I've been ISOing a few players, I'll provide my thoughts...if I get a chance to.

[verydark]

An apparently fake wagon at that, of which I've exacerbated into an actual wagon.

[verydark]

Certainly I recoiled in shock when a town-SE self voted in my newbie game coming back.

Couldn't have said it better.

You can actually watch (read) my shock last game (last week) when I first experienced the self lynch (Starting at post 761) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75123&start=750

I'd really like to put this whole thing to rest and move on. It was an honest mistake, I was trying to do something dramatic to prove I was town. I failed.

I don't really see the need to comment on this any further, I'd like to start scum-hunting and stop doing damage control.

[verydark]

After re-reading the thread, of all things, this stuck out to me as odd. Post 161.

davesaz is now locktown btw.

From post 161 and earlier, davesaz had contributed very little of value, incorrectly named a player, and his last post before Mathdino confirmed him as "locktown" was 8 hours prior, which was:

Hate when that happens, have learned to hit preview almost every time.
I think 139 looks town motivated.

He just commented on the BBcode gore and called out a single post as town motivated.

How does this make davesaz locktown?

FMPOV, there's a 46% chance there's scum in Kop/Mylo already. Add in a scumbuddy of GL, Sando, or Bujaber, and verydark-scum works just fine.

So yeah I'll be voting there once NSG or davesaz pulls their RVS vote off.

I also don't understand your math here, I'm sure 46% was a joke, but you're indicated that 2 lurkers out of 13 players, give a 50% chance of scum.

...ummmm, doubtful.

I'm going on my gut here, but in my last game, it wasn't the lurkers that were scum...it was the person incessantly posting meaningless content, quote walls, and general "clutter" to the game. I had scum leaned that person on D1, and low and behold, they were. I get that there's a variety of game methodology and playstyles, but I just get huge scum vibes from Mathdino, and it's not even an OMGUS thing anymore.

I'm keeping my vote on Mathdino for now. I'll post a list of reads after I get some actual work done, not that this game isn't actual work

[verydark]

@Mathdino I think the majority of your posts are metadiving players prior games where you've arrived at your own personal conclusions and doesn't do anything to advance this game forward, so yeah, your posts are clutter.

[verydark]

Hey everyone, spent a good deal of time isoing and reading through the game. Here's where I'm at, if anyone cares (I know my lack of scumhunting has been a point of contention)...

i'd think scum would just start out by doing so and either come up with a false push or follow a

push already happening.

I'm 99% sure at least 2, if not all 3 scum are on my wagon (including Mathdino, who is there in "spirit" - his words). I'd have suspicion on the entire "Serious Business Team" or "Meme Team" or whatever you call it, but statistically that's unlikely.

I'm suspicious of how trusting of each other the meme team seem to be. I think at least one of them is likely to be scum and is/are under pressure to look townie in front of them. I'm gonna do a reread tomorrow night and see if I can narrow it down.

I'd like to ask you if you have any new reads you'd like to share, but since you're on my wagon with them...

I feel like this is scum trying to break up a townbloc but not willing to go for a specific player yet

My thoughts as well, which gives me a bit of a scum read on him (BuJaber).

Town or Town-Leaning Reads

Myloninja

lurked and posted infrequently in my last game, so if we are giving meta reads, I'd say he's town.

Sando

is at least trying to dig deeper into peoples posts and I think is town.

northsidegal

even though she's on my wagon, she has made some consistently good points. Especially post 272 where she disagrees with voting for a lurker over your confirm scum tell.

Agent Sparkles

is demonstrating a more slow and methodical method of gameplay which I identify with (sans my incident earlier)

GuiltyLion

made some valid points about BuJaber I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. I also generally agree with everything he's posted.

Scum or Scum-Leaning Reads

Mathdino

(for the reasons I've already mentioned)

BuJaber

(see above)

Kmd4390

tears me apart in several subsequent posts, but sprinkles in some other players to make it not feel like an outright tunnel/attack on me. Also says he's townreading northsidegal, which I agree with, and makes him more likely scum.

Neutral Reads

davesaz

seems experienced and I appreciated the gut meta reads comment (which is towny) I still can't shake how weird it is that Mathdino considered him "locktown" so early.

kop

has 4 posts, no opinion

GammaEmerald

posts quote walls and follows up with a single sentence or question, I can't get a read yet

popsofctown

hasn't posted too much, I liked the follow up questions to me, but also disagree with his most recent post about questioning my wagon being anti-town.


Whew, sorry that was a lot. Happy to clarify as needed.

[verydark]

Per usual, you're being very helpful.

[verydark]

Did I need to make something more clear?

[verydark]

Can you phrase it as a question, so I know exactly what you'd like to know?

[verydark]

This is getting pedantic. I don't know 500 abbreviations and XTREME™ game terminology to fucking satisfy everyone. If anyone would like to ask me a direct question, I'm happy to do my best to describe or clarify my thoughts.

[verydark]

See, that was actually really well-put and I could follow along with. Thank you.

[verydark]

If I can answer your question with a question- isn't playstyle and metadiving basically the same thing? It's ultimately a gut reaction, you can game it either way...

[verydark]

lmao look at all these LURKERS!!!!!

[verydark]

VOTE: GammaEmerald

The partner thing killed it for me. Can't be much more anti-town than that.

Still would like to lynch Math, but that's seemingly less likely.

[verydark]

I'm just saying, I've been periodically checking in tonight and refreshing, and I literally deleted my comment I was going to make after Gamma posted because the preview window had 3 posts from other players in it...in the span of like 30 seconds from when he posted....when it's been a super slow evening otherwise.

[verydark]

edit- 2 posts came up in p-edit, I guess mine was one of them so I said 3. Since we are all STICKLERS for the details here.

[verydark]

I found humor in it, not sure if there's any game defining other reason though. As I said before, I really don't care about lurkers.

[verydark]

I think the partner thing was a wee bit over the top. What would town have to gain from knowing both mason's on D1?

NK GALORE!!!

[verydark]

You're basically repeating yourself now, and haven't changed the ridiculousness of your original statement.

...maybe Math will jump in here anytime now (since he's clearly lurking) and bust out the 72pt text to tell you to stop.

[verydark]

Can you explain? Back in 2011 when I played it was like SO TERRIBLE to lurk, but this was before everyone had high speed internet and just left browser windows open and stuff. Maybe the term has changed?

[verydark]

I think it's infinitely entertaining that everyone who's in team mafia or have inside jokes make these brazen "NOT HAPPENING TODAY" posts. It's lame as fuck and so "internet" it hurts.

[verydark]

I'm sufficiently annoyed with this at this point.

Likewise.

[verydark]

Not the first time.

[verydark]

You were off my wagon because you wanted to convince everyone that you're going to be the NK.

[verydark]

Scum don't die in NK. Have everyone pity you because you're "going to die" so that they don't look at you as scum. It's pretty simple, actually.


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[verydark]

Here we go with the rush lynch again. We have 8 days left lol.

[verydark]

Math got mad because I "antagonized" him.

1) This is mafia
2) What the actual fuck have you been doing to me this whole game?

[verydark]

It's also funny that the power lies in half of the games players. If ya'll lynch me tonight, I hope everyone else takes a good hard look at the group that's here ready to pull the trigger. GUARANTEED at least 1 scum in this group. Probably 2.

[verydark]

Welp I'm going to go have a smoke, check back in, then go to bed.

If ya'll wanna do this tonight, fine. But I think the PRO TOWN thing to do would be hear from the other half dozen players that don't even know this is happening right now.

See you in 5.

[verydark]

So what's it going to be folks? Call it a night and revisit tomorrow? Claim?

[verydark]

Math, can we call a temporary truce, put me at L-2, and let's work this out tomorrow? Not really in the mood to toss and turn and think about how I've royally botched this game tonight.

[verydark]

Groovy, thanks Gamma.

I'll be back on with my morning coffee.

G'night everyone.

[verydark]

Oh, thanks too, Math.

I know I'm not out of the crosshairs. We'll reconvene tomorrow.

[verydark]

I feel like this is scum trying to break up a townbloc but not willing to go for a specific player yet

Can I ask a stupid question? Why would scum try to break up a townbloc (townblock?)? I'm assuming a townbloc is when (perceived) town is on a wagon and in agreement? I looked at the wiki and there wasn't an entry for it...besides some player quotes.

[verydark]

Why are we using colors now?

[verydark]

Townblocks are groups of players who believe all in it to be town. Scum want to break them up or get inside them, becuase if they fail at both they have a large block of unlikely mislynches.

Gotcha, so not a wagon specific thing but more broad. Thanks!

[verydark]

I'm here! I don't think you really picked back up on your line of questioning the next day either, so let's do it!

[verydark]

Well I think your dramatizing me "promising" something (I didn't) "4 days ago" is a bit much, considering it has been 2 days and I've been following along and posted a few times so you knew I was here. But it's cool, you're always aggressive so whatever.

I don't think it's scummy on my part to chill out and see what direction the game is going since I was on the chopping block.

As far as an updates, I hate to say...not really.

I do think the pops vs Bujaber conflict in #415 feels weird, I thought it might be SvS (I already scum-leaned Bujaber) but I was null on pops, and if pops is scum, that would make my scum list even bigger, so I don't really know. I do still scum-lean Bujaber.

Something_Smart is echoing his predecessor, and I generally agree with his points so he's a town-read for me.

I also agree with Gamma that I haven't seen any behavior from dave that would make him scum.

[verydark]

He asked us nicely to take our votes off to give him breathing room and we did so with the implicit agreement that he wasn't off the hook.

This Bujaber wagon kinda just came outta nowhere.

I figured there was at least 2 scum on my wagon, I think you and Gamma demonstrated town motivation by giving me that breathing room, and I originally had you both as scum-leaning. After re-reading I think you've both also added valuable insight to the game.

UNVOTE: Gamma

I'm thinking there's still scum on my wagon though, it's pretty obvious you both would quickly switch your vote back to me. Scum moving their vote around would probably be more suspicious.

I had kmd and Bujaber on my scum list and sparkles as town. I don't know if I want to vote for Bujaber at the moment though, because that would be perceived as opportunistic.

[verydark]

Bolding mine. If he thinks this way as town, he's unreadable at best.

How's so? Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If i just cast a vote on Bujaber without commenting, I would be raked over the coals.

I'm walking on eggshells right now.

[verydark]

verydark I did play with briefly and spectated the rest of the game when I had to replace out, he was town, he's posting the same way here. He's another lynchbait target. I could find the link upon request of the previous game. (I'm just lazy and not going to right now.)

Here's the link

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75123

Everyone, I'm town. I know I don't have a really "thorough" playstyle, I definitely follow my gut. I do a bad job at quotewalls and explaining myself. My motivation at this point is survival, but my bigger motivation is winning (for town). I've never played as scum, so I don't even know what my angle would be there. Maybe one day ya'll can call me out for it when it happens.

Call this another AtE post if you want. I just want the other town players to like me, and if that's a bad thing, I'm sorry. Is wanting people to like you even a thing in this game?

[verydark]

even if BuJaber's not scum I feel like scum aren't voting him

I'm sure Math could do the

math

(cringe) but I think this is statistically unlikely, albeit an interesting point that I'm inclined to agree with. I'm null/town on everyone on that wagon except pops.

If we want to counter-wagon, I could get on board with pops.

With Kop replacing out, there goes your policy lynch, Math, and in comes

another

deadline extension.

I'll put this here for now, because I'm hesitant to put Bujaber at L-1 unless anyone wants to give me their blessing.

VOTE: popsofctown

[verydark]

Let's move this game along....a counterwagon isn't going anywhere in 1 day.

VOTE: Bujaber

Seems like this is the consensus anyway.

I disagree with Mathdino that he'll be the NK, it's most likely going to be me, so at least we aren't wasting a lynch on me because I'm town

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[verydark]

If Bujaber flips scum I will be.

If he flips town...I could see the probability go down significantly because ya'll are gonna lynch me D2.

[verydark]

Ya'll are acting like I'm operating on some sort of expert level mafia experience. I don't even know how or why scum would vote for their own...let alone hammer...

I have to admit that I wasn't 100% convinced Bujaber was scum, but I did scum read him so I was cool with hammering. We were close to deadline, general sentiment reflected Bujaber was a safe hammer, it got me off the hook (survivalist I guess), and I wasn't going to be super available if we got down to the wire. I suppose it was a "meh" vote or whatever someone called it earlier.

Since I'm still being scum read...who the fuck is my partner? And why are they cool with me hammering my own team? What do I have to gain from that?

I'm just so confused right now...

But I digress, I'm re-reading the pages leading up to the lynch to get a better read on who to vote for, I had pops as scum-lean, so I'm rethinking how to assess all the info.

[verydark]

But he's acting like he doesn't know what bussing even is

Looked it up on the wiki just now, lol. It actually is pretty damning and remarkably accurate.

Per the wiki:

"the busser is considered to be obviously pro-town"

Welp, you got me. That's exactly what I was doing. But not because I'm scum.

Everyone should iso Bujaber...his interactions with GuiltyLion seem off to me. He has this kind of fake back and forth with him in post 257 onwards.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[verydark]

I'm confused by this... How is bussing what you were doing if you aren't scum?

Was explaining that my motivations were to prove I was town,

not

to bus...

uh excuse me some of us were death tunneling BuJaber as scum for the entirety of the day

Reread- this checks out.

UNVOTE: GuiltyLion

[quote="In
I started off town reading Kmd and that turned into a scum read.
Guess they're the next two to reread.

Any additional thought about kmd?

You're a null read for now, trying to look through and see why the other players are voting you.

Probably about time to prod kmd, last post was Sunday.

[verydark]

Whoops, formatting. Sorry.

I'm confused by this... How is bussing what you were doing if you aren't scum?

Was explaining that my motivations were to prove I was town,

not

to bus...

uh excuse me some of us were death tunneling BuJaber as scum for the entirety of the day

Reread- this checks out.

UNVOTE: GuiltyLion

[quote="In
I started off town reading Kmd and that turned into a scum read.
Guess they're the next two to reread.

[/quote]

Any additional thought about kmd?

You're a null read for now, trying to look through and see why the other players are voting you.

Probably about time to prod kmd, last post was Sunday.[/quote]

[verydark]

First pass VCA indicates it's unlikely that KMD is scum.

Could you expand on this a bit?

Seeing who might comment on it. What do you think if you look at the VC?

In terms of KMD, she didn't move her vote off if Verydark at any point yesterday. So, she was not by any definition opportunistic.

Seems she made a scum read and stuck with it the entire time.

I don't follow this. How would it be opportunistic to vote for Bujaber since he was scum? If anything, by not changing her vote you could argue she wasn't going to vote for her scum partner.

[verydark]

Not sure yet. I'm definitely assessing kmd and green.

I feel like it's a bit shortsighted to not consider the other "locktown" players because they self assigned themselves that designation, but I'm in no position to get a wagon started on them, so we will need more flips to get to that point probably. I still have concerns about math and gamma.

[verydark]

if you're worried about me just nightkilling you or something then you can make people promise to make me explain it

I'm sure this was meant as hyperbole, but at first glance it read as a scum slip, lmao.

[verydark]

I'm curious about your spreadsheet...just iso'd LUV and didn't see anything super scummy. Any particular quotes you'd like to share from NSG that stood out?

[verydark]

I give up digging to quote, but whoever said to ISO kmd and search for buj, I just did that...

Wow....

That's a lot of buddy-buddy banter with Bujaber, and a LOT of questioning and challenging people's votes on him. Then after the lynch, it's a pretty obvious switch to damage control and being more loose and conversational.

It's such a damning revelation for me that I'm torn between it being too obvious, or just obvious enough.

[verydark]

His only real scumread is on mylonnia which is an easy read to make at the moment.

Don't fall into that trap. Sometimes easy reads are easy for a reason. Dave could be scum, but scumreading mylo isn't enough of a reason on it's own.

I don't know why, but of all their interactions, this one feels especially weird.

[verydark]

why in the fresh hell are you not placing a vote then

I was going to wait for further thoughts from the group, but ok.

VOTE: kmd4390

[verydark]

okay fuck it

mylo, we're lynching Kmd, put your vote there unless you have any better ideas

Uh... I'm fine with lynching Kmd, but should we wait to use the rest of the day here?

VOTE: Kmd4390

This also feels weird to me...

[verydark]

but my alignment probably gets sorted by the nightkill anyway

Stop saying this shit

You know what...

I was certain it was going to be me or Math NK'd, and it ended up being pops for some seemingly random reason.

Was it random, or was pops onto something...

::sigh::

Going back and looking into it. Did anyone else have any thoughts on why he was NK'd?

[verydark]

@mathdino It would be super easy to change this wagon...

[verydark]

..and we are looking at another deadline extension anyway.

So...

UNVOTE: kmd4390

You complain a lot about people placing their votes. What are you doing?

[verydark]

"spirit vote"

Here wo gooooooooo......

[verydark]

@kmd4390 what are your thoughts on gamma and math?

Scum? Town?

[verydark]

If we are looking for a counter-counterwagon (is that even a thing?) I'd much prefer Gamma over Dave. I haven't read back through their posts to provide specific quotes yet, but I had dave as a town read and gamma as a scum read.

I personally am OK with either kmd or mylo. kmd is a scum-lean and mylo is null.

But I'm doing this for now....

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[verydark]

I nothing the Gamma votes.

What does this mean?

[verydark]

go through KMD's ISO and cmd+F "BuJ" and see what I see

Yeah, I think it's kind of weird that GuiltyLion pointed this out then flip-flopped over kmd and ended up voting dave.

There's some other inconsistencies in your most recent read list versus your previous dozen or so posts about who you read and why.

I thought pointing out the kmd thing was towny, but now looking into you more deeply has made me question that.

[verydark]

again, me being anyone's top possible scumread is fairly absurd, frankly. to think that I am scum means I decided to death tunnel one of my partners on D1 over literally any other available mislynch. I didn't just casually vote BuJaber as a distance and get stuck there, I put my foot on the gas for that lynch multiple times. Against a mason setup that's extremely suboptimal play

annnnnnnndddd this seems towny to me.

So conflicted.

[verydark]

Welp.

[verydark]

VOTE: davesaz

The case here seems good, and the Mylo wagon is totally stalled.

This seems opportunistic!

Let's roll that mylo wagon over to you!

VOTE: brassherald

[verydark]

Wow, this day is all over that place. Not that anyone probably cares, but I'll dive into the last 3 pages and post tomorrow morning over coffee.

But from my skim read, if mylo is scum, then I would never be able to tell his scum game from his town game...I echo the sentiment of waiting on a mylo lynch until later.

Also, his wishy washiness is bothering me, and his avatar isn't helping, which I'm starting to wonder if it's by design...

Still pegging gamma as a scum read, but I'll dive deeper into that tomorrow.

[verydark]

So then why are you lynching me if Gamma is scum?

distancing followed by mutual townread is a funny thing

i don't think, as scum, that you would pass up the gamma mislynch

but as scum you would obviously know his townclaim was a lie and that would explain your strange tone afterwards

These are all good points that I agree with.

This is giving me a headache. I don't really think there's any credence in the whole fake lynch/town claim thing anyway and it's a waste of time to analyze that.

Now I'm torn between Mylo and Gamma. Waiting for official vote count, I think Gamma is L-1, lost track of Mylo.

[verydark]

I was prepared to come here and vote Math, I figured I'd find something in his ISO that I could quote to rationalize my vote, but after going through everything, I realized his reads are consistent and he hasn't contradicted himself.

I'm operating on the assumption he's town for this reason, but having no experience with him either way, he could actually be really good at playing scum.

okay cool so

my current narrative:

Assuming verydark is town, inactive scumteam was unable to stop the slow creep toward the Bujaber lynch. Scumteam didn't ALL bus because they definitely had the manpower to get away with a verydark lynch easily.

Onwagon kill implies offwagon scum. Scum clearly thought pops was townish due to the Bujaber push for some reason. They're threatened by the wagon.

verydark hammer technically counts as offwagon for my VCA.

So I think we'll basically be good if we just lynch everyone offwagon until we hit scum. We're basically guaranteed to hit 1 scum given all the hilariously townish players that parked the Buj wagon.

My order:
GC --> Kmd --> verydark
Smart and dave are obviously exempt. Associations and play hardclear them.
I don't think LUV kills his scumread, so also exempt.

I have a tell on Bujaber that potentially incriminates one of {GC, Kmd} and one of {verydark, Mylo}.

I'm fairly sure we're looking at:
GC/verydark
Kmd/verydark
GC/Mylo
Kmd/Mylo

I'm in general agreement with this, if we don't hit scum in 2 days, though, I'm definitely voting for you.

I'm ok with lynching Green Crayons, Mylo, or kmd today.

VOTE: Green Crayons

[verydark]

VOTE: Mylo

[verydark]

I'd like Verydark's response before doing anything, please. I'm not satisfied with where my reads are at and it would help me solidify where my head is at for right now.

I was just getting on the Mylo wagon to get it rolling. Brass joined. I quoted the posts where Math has suggested a lynch order, I

was

ok with his methodology.

But this is twice now that Math has gotten players on board with his strategy then immediately changed his mind. I also just don't understand how Math has been "lock-towned" by the group.

It's quite possible he's playing at a level I don't really comprehend, and it's possible by doing so- he's scum.

So I don't even know anymore.

UNVOTE:

[verydark]

i'm gonna be so mad at myself if mylo is scum and i couldn't get him lynched

This doesn't make any sense because you already had a successful train on mylo...then brass and I jumped on board and you unvoted. We were at L-2.

[verydark]

Are you still narrowing it down to GC or mylo for today's lynch?

[verydark]

BuJaber has declared himself V/LA until April 1st through his user profile.

also, just as a heads up, this is basically up until deadline

so we aren't going to get much more content from BuJaber today

I don't like a GuiltyLion lynch. He did tunnel Bujaber all day (if you cmd+f him, he mentions him 94 times), and that post right there reads to me as a final plea to lynch him. I don't think scum would do that to their partner.

[verydark]

Has anyone thought, "What if Mathdino is scum?"

Just me?

[verydark]

I feel like this game would be a lot less interesting without him, but he's basically controlling people's votes (mine included briefly until he pulled that unvote stunt earlier...) Mylo will basically jump as high as he tells him. Several others have town leaned him based off his meta and rationalize his actions in this game based off that.

I'm not big on the whole "drunk with power" dynamic.

I doubt this will gain any traction, and no...I guess I still don't understand what bussing is still. But since no one has really voted Mathdino in this game, this would be the opposite of bussing, yes?

VOTE: Mathdino

[verydark]

This is what's killing me about you, I was on board with your "math" angle with this when you BAILED ON THE WAGON YOU STARTED.

I hate math.

[verydark]

Actually,

@verydark:

I'm ok with lynching Green Crayons, Mylo, or kmd today.

VOTE: Green Crayons

Why'd you pick me to vote first?

How do you feel about GL and brass?

I don't like a GL vote, because apparently I don't understand "bussing"

Brass is a scum/null read.

I voted you to get the ball rolling, don't really have concrete thoughts on you, but have you as a scum lean.

And before anyone says "why don't you stick to your scum reads by voting" - Welp, I squandered any ability to get people on board with me since D1, so yeah, I'm basically sheeping (did I use that right?) what I can.