Mini 1997: The Clownspiracy (Game Over!)

[Wh4t]

Aren't people supposed to claim at L-1?

[Raskolnikov]

I feel kinda disgusted insisting on this for kiana tbh but I'm still not on the like ~>80% threshold where I'd probably say fuck it

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah but kokichi said he'd hammer at l-1

[Raskolnikov]

Ideally he should either be voting or we treat this as l-2 with two intents

[Wh4t]

....

Kiana claim please.

[BuJaber]

Has anybody voting for kiana actually read all her posts?

People don't like or don't understand Kiana and are voting her. Only rask and wh4t seem to have a genuine case on her that imo is misguided. The rest seem lazy or biased.

[BuJaber]

And hiraki and koki are using that to their advantage.

[Wh4t]

I'll admit I'm being lazy but people aren't interested in lynching obv scum beef. Since Rask was super scummy with his unvote I'm going to be annoying and vote elsewhere.

VOTE: Gamma

[Raskolnikov]

I have to make a thread in mafia discussion on this postgame because every time I've insisted people hated it but I think it's strictly higher percentage d1

[Wh4t]

I have to make a thread in mafia discussion on this postgame because every time I've insisted people hated it but I think it's strictly higher percentage d1

What's a higher percentage?

[Raskolnikov]

I also used to insist on dragging out every single day until right before deadline expired because "more information and stances is always better than less" but that was kinda cancer

[Wh4t]

Yeah I was the same. I think there comes a point when there's too much info so town loses motivation to sift through the rubbish and scum hunt properly.

[Raskolnikov]

What's a higher percentage?

I think given how unreliable d1 lynching is (lowest %) and how bad it would be to lynch a pr without claim (d1 that risk has highest impact) highest +EV/ExpectedValue % is always to get claim
but I've taken hiatuses and even originally I think I got that from people I really respect (it might have been nachomamma or plotinus I can't remember) like over a year ago and probably should revisit and see how right it is either in general or in today's meta

The last time this kind of thing came up I was lynching gamma emerald who had site access issues which made it so he couldn't post and people wanted to lynch him and I only accepted when looked at his ISO and thought even if he was town he'd have to have been VT with his behaviour (also hard metascumread him there, he was scum and we lynched partner for win next day)

[Kiana Kaslana]

Well, I think this is the end for me. I have no choice but to claim.

I am Clownpiece, and I am a 2-shot Vig.

I didn't want to claim because keeping my power secret would be very useful but it appears that scum are voting me and town are being bad.

[Raskolnikov]

Ooooooooooooo

[Wh4t]

4. Mafia were given their original town role PMs as safeclaims.

OMFG. Maki is not confirmed town as I thought earlier. Why did nobody tell me?

[Wh4t]

Yeah Kiana is town. No way is she claiming that role as scum when it can be easily proven.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Beefster

have to reconsider some things tomorrow

[Raskolnikov]

there's something so ironic about kiana claiming vig though

I guess it makes some level of sense, why she's not pushing to lynch arch or me and just trying to stay alive which was starting to looking scummy.

[Kiana Kaslana]

If there are any scum who wish to counterclaim, to try to get me lynched, you can go ahead and do so.

We can settle this at night, Texas style.

[Wh4t]

Rask backing off after pushing so hard looks pretty informed...since Kiana is town Arch/Rask still look like a thing and it fits that he votes for Beef over Arch. I'll have to analyse all the pushes on her.

[Raskolnikov]

Vig is never scum in normal games afaik, I pretty much joined this setup because it said it was balanced like a normal game, vig fakeclaim is almost unheard of

Even if maf got a vig card as their town card they would have to have their role changed, in that case claiming vig still ???

[Wh4t]

What do you guys think is scummier? People pushing or people defending?

[Raskolnikov]

Mostly though the play kind of matches, stop pushing on your hardest scumreads, ignoring them when they talk to you... if you can shoot em dead anyways why not
and the switch focus to REALLY defensive play and trying to talk anyone and almost everyone out of pushing onto you...

[StefanB]

Unvote

Wh4t: Why did you ignore that Kokichi was treatening to quickhammer?
You said that Beef should be quicklynched, when nobody is voting him.
And then you are at a moment, when thinks are chancing are voting somewhere else.
Arrgh!!!

About Maki because everyone believed you know? The only think that is chanced(because of that info), is that Makis millerclaim would come from the mod, if she was scum and wasn't her own idea.
She was never confirmed.

I don't see Raskolnikovs unvote as scummy.
Because of Kokichi I would call this natural.

About unatural defense: BuJaber hello.
You called the case on Kiana bad and liked her postings but never actually posted what of her scum-or townposts were good.
You were always on the abstract.

About the claim:
This one is very provable. Vig is only normal if town. I will ask some questions to the mod next.