Open 717: C9++ [GAME OVER:TOWN WINS]

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Judge Jospeh Dredd is lying. I'm a vanilla townie.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Having slept on it, and seeing his new posts today, I'm probably more inclined to believe JJD as Cop now and am OK testing his guilty, but I still can't shake the feeling of paranoia he's scum getting one last mislynch for the road. Post 500 is also how I'd play a Cop with a guilty on D2, so he's at least thinking like how a Cop should play, and the longer we go without Frederick posting, the more suspicious it gets. He posted every day of the game on D1, and it's now coming up on 24 hours since JJD's guilty has been lingering in the air, so it's starting to feel pretty lurky...

It's true I haven't posted for 24 hours. From my perspective at GMT+8, though, I've posted everyday.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Frederick Campbell

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Don't you think it's a better idea to spend some time finding some scum partners?

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't you think it's a better idea to spend some time finding some scum partners?

Kinda hard to do that when the guilty's outed?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Don't you think it's a better idea to spend some time finding some scum partners?

Kinda hard to do that when the guilty's outed?

I don't understand.

[UnaBombaH]

Does a cc even matter if it's not the person guiltied? Can't there be two cops?

What I'm saying is that fakeclaiming from JJD is plain stupid, I don't believe he is because he would have at least one partner who would have told him not to do that. Waiting for Fredrick to come here and say "hey, I'm ccing JJD, I'm *random PR* and bla bla bla" is useless, they are both compromised. Even if Fredrick is saying the truth, JJD would be lynched tomorrow no matter what.

So far Pinturicchio and Hoopla seem like the two towniest players on the field, all gametheory disagreements aside.
I'll comment on those after I'm fully caught up and see where we stand as of the latest post.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

By the way, I've got to go to bed in half an hour, and also, I'm multitasking with my homework. Just a paragraph I have to write.

[UnaBombaH]

We can do this, but I would bet on Town losing this game because you guys are hilarious at WIFOMing a guilty.

I agree with this sentiment.
Always lynch a guilty - always lynch a contradicting CC after a flip.

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Frederick Campbell

Unvote please, he will self hammer if there's no chance of redeeming. We NEED more content

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Frederick Campbell

Unvote please, he will self hammer if there's no chance of redeeming. We NEED more content

I would have self hammered much earlier if I wanted to.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't you think it's a better idea to spend some time finding some scum partners?

Kinda hard to do that when the guilty's outed?

I don't understand.

Now that a guilty is outed it's pretty much decided that we're either going to lynch it or the claimer. As such no other scum can be caught since they know hey aren't getting lynched.

[UnaBombaH]

So, to Gamma's point:

SNIP.
Not gonna quote the full post, you can jump there from this quote if you need to read it.
Just going to say NO here.
Don't build scenarios like this if you're town.
You just hurt yourself, and create so much WIFOM for the rest of us..

[Ok Nyeo]

So, to Gamma's point:

SNIP.
Not gonna quote the full post, you can jump there from this quote if you need to read it.
Just going to say NO here.
Don't build scenarios like this if you're town.
You just hurt yourself, and create so much WIFOM for the rest of us..

Who is scum if it's not Fred?

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Frederick Campbell

Unvote please, he will self hammer if there's no chance of redeeming. We NEED more content

I would have self hammered much earlier if I wanted to.

You JUST came here and said you are a VT, so no, you wouldn't self hammered without even saying "JJD" is lying.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Frederick Campbell

Unvote please, he will self hammer if there's no chance of redeeming. We NEED more content

I would have self hammered much earlier if I wanted to.

You JUST came here and said you are a VT, so no, you wouldn't self hammered without even saying "JJD" is lying.

Judge Jospeh Dredd is lying. I'm a vanilla townie.

I did.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Don't you think it's a better idea to spend some time finding some scum partners?

Kinda hard to do that when the guilty's outed?

I don't understand.

Now that a guilty is outed it's pretty much decided that we're either going to lynch it or the claimer. As such no other scum can be caught since they know hey aren't getting lynched.

You could still threaten to lynch them on Day 4.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't you think it's a better idea to spend some time finding some scum partners?

Kinda hard to do that when the guilty's outed?

I don't understand.

Now that a guilty is outed it's pretty much decided that we're either going to lynch it or the claimer. As such no other scum can be caught since they know hey aren't getting lynched.

You could still threaten to lynch them on Day 4.

So? They're still pretty much set for a day. Keep flailing.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Anyone has any questions. I have only seven more minutes.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I've still got some work I've got to do. Bye.

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Frederick Campbell

Unvote please, he will self hammer if there's no chance of redeeming. We NEED more content

I would have self hammered much earlier if I wanted to.

You JUST came here and said you are a VT, so no, you wouldn't self hammered without even saying "JJD" is lying.

Judge Jospeh Dredd is lying. I'm a vanilla townie.

I did.

Like 2-3 hours ago... If you meant "that much earlier"=2-3 hours ago when you weren't on L-1, yeah, sure.

[UnaBombaH]

@JJD

If you were a cop with a guilty result, then why you didn't claim immediately? It was obvious that we were going to vote you for that hammer.

Real cop please don't out


And also, we can do hypoclaims

This is bad.
Cop with a guilty doesn't need to claim immediately, in fact, a good cop leaves crumbs and finds other avenues to use instead of openly guiltying.

Secondly, I'd argue that while JJD was always gonna get suspected/wagoned for that hammer, he wasn't under immediate threat, and therefore his claim doesn't not make sense.

Thirdly, making hypoclaims is SCUMMY AS HELL HERE.
Hypoclaims with Cops (not same with flavor-cops or trackers etc) don't work with one potential PR already outed.
That is partly because scum KNOW which hypoclaims are definitely false (if someone hypoclaims an inno on one of their teammates for example), and it also muddies the whole situation up in case we later get to situation with ACTUAL cop claims/flips..

One of the scummiest hidden agendas in this post IMO.

[Ok Nyeo]

@JJD

If you were a cop with a guilty result, then why you didn't claim immediately? It was obvious that we were going to vote you for that hammer.

Real cop please don't out


And also, we can do hypoclaims

This is bad.
Cop with a guilty doesn't need to claim immediately, in fact, a good cop leaves crumbs and finds other avenues to use instead of openly guiltying.

Secondly, I'd argue that while JJD was always gonna get suspected/wagoned for that hammer, he wasn't under immediate threat, and therefore his claim doesn't not make sense.

Thirdly, making hypoclaims is SCUMMY AS HELL HERE.
Hypoclaims with Cops (not same with flavor-cops or trackers etc) don't work with one potential PR already outed.
That is partly because scum KNOW which hypoclaims are definitely false (if someone hypoclaims an inno on one of their teammates for example), and it also muddies the whole situation up in case we later get to situation with ACTUAL cop claims/flips..

One of the scummiest hidden agendas in this post IMO.

Right after calling you as scum, you are saying I am scum and still not telling what happened to your analyze about the vote triangle.

[UnaBombaH]

My inclination is to believe JDD's claim at this point. His D1 play is very consistent with being a cop. The hammer was bad, but bad hammers D1 are usually from townies. Scum!JDD had no reason to hammer in that situation.

Trusting this for now.

I'm falling into this sorting myself too..

So trusting the guilty for now, interested in seeing whether we have had a CC.

[Gamma Emerald]

@JJD

If you were a cop with a guilty result, then why you didn't claim immediately? It was obvious that we were going to vote you for that hammer.

Real cop please don't out


And also, we can do hypoclaims

This is bad.
Cop with a guilty doesn't need to claim immediately, in fact, a good cop leaves crumbs and finds other avenues to use instead of openly guiltying.

Secondly, I'd argue that while JJD was always gonna get suspected/wagoned for that hammer, he wasn't under immediate threat, and therefore his claim doesn't not make sense.

Thirdly, making hypoclaims is SCUMMY AS HELL HERE.
Hypoclaims with Cops (not same with flavor-cops or trackers etc) don't work with one potential PR already outed.
That is partly because scum KNOW which hypoclaims are definitely false (if someone hypoclaims an inno on one of their teammates for example), and it also muddies the whole situation up in case we later get to situation with ACTUAL cop claims/flips..

One of the scummiest hidden agendas in this post IMO.

I was hoping to snap the trap d3 but yeah I agree Nyeo's posting wrt JJD's claim is some of the scummiest shit in the game if JJD is town