Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[northsidegal]

VC 2.8

votes

Tchill13

(2): Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight

MariaR

(2): Ausuka, Havo

Havo

(1): MariaR

Ausuka

(2): Hopkirk, Tchill13

Not Voting

(4): Creature, Flavor Leaf, Mumble, Kookoobird

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

The day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-04-01 12:33:59)

Mod Notes

: If I have your vote wrong please let me know.

[Tchill13]

Because he caught and tunnelled 1 scum, and was undeniably the most competent player here.

That's worth using your NK over a claimed tracker?

[Kookoobird]

Tracker is not that strong with 3 scum alive, and its 2 shot so it won't last long, and Mumble is not a threatening player.

[Tchill13]

Only thing I'm gonna argue is that there's only 2 scum alive so of course it's a little more powerful.

I honestly think it was the vig mention but yall can hold hands and laugh at me post game when I'm wrong.

[Kookoobird]

I've crumbed vig like that as vig before, so that's reasonable enough. I'm not reading into his reads as a reason for him being killed because I think he was the smart NK anyways.

[northsidegal]

Prodding Mumble.

[Luca Blight]

Those who aren't voting should start doing so.

[Havo]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=10049231#p10049231]

viewtopic.php?p=10016503#p10016503
I am someone who can consistently lynch scum more than 25% of the time. Nice to meet you.[/quote]

Cool. You’d be the first, just link me to your main so I can check if you don’t mind.

[Havo]

Those who aren't voting should start doing so.

I agree.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Tchill

[Creature]

Guess Flavor Leaf is town.

[Creature]

VOTE: Tchill

L-2

[Ausuka]

Guess Flavor Leaf is town.

Why?

[Ausuka]

Maria/FL play just makes a lot more sense than Tchill play as scum IMO. Maria's read on Kath slot still feels like S/S and I still don't get why Scum!Tchill is literally scumreading anyone who starts townreading him. Why is that scum play?

[Kookoobird]

VOTE: Tchill
l-1

[Hopkirk]

Maria/FL play just makes a lot more sense than Tchill play as scum IMO. Maria's read on Kath slot still feels like S/S and I still don't get why Scum!Tchill is literally scumreading anyone who starts townreading him. Why is that scum play?

He has to townread/scumread someone. Scum-Tchill (applies to others too) can't afford too townread too many people who are alternative viable lynches.
If he townreads people in the potential lynch pool then 1.) it's harder for him to lynch them later, 2.) he loses flexibility, 3.) depending on who his partners are, it might force him to scumread them or at least increase the likelihood of them being lynched, 4.) he's more likely to get lynched- especially if he tries to push generally townread people who aren't viable lynches.
This doesn't just apply to Tchill, but more generally.

[Ausuka]

Well sure, he doesn't want to hand out townreads in the lynchpool, but he can push anyone for any reason. Me, Maria, Katherine all have a lot of reasons for someone to go after us. Why does he choose to scumread us for townreading him in particular? That definitely would scare people off for basically no gain. Also, his insistence scum didn't bus makes this game a lot harder for him especially if his partner is in {Maria, Ausuka, FL} because after he gets three of us lynched (and kills three of us too, which COULD not happen) that's 3v2 at best. And that's IF he is the last lynch in the lynchpool and the scumpartner isn't a suspected player either.

Idk I feel like it's just Maria/FL here.

[Hopkirk]

Luca, Katherine, Maria, ausuka

Luca is a slight SR but what his flip confirms is pretty valuable.

Katherine is my biggest outright SR because of the wagon he was on and low content.

Maria pretty much the same.

Ausuka only because of his position on the wagon. I feel that cedrick is town and I'm glad to see ausuka stated that also.

practically lock Town: Mumble, Hopkirk, Gamma, Havo

Null: Luca, Katherine

Scum lean: Cedrick, Creature, MariaR, Katherine (mostly due to PoE)

(i have to read ausuka's iso more seeing how i haven't seen many of their post)

Hard TR: Havo, Gamma, Hopkirk

Almost hard TR: Cedrick, Luca

Null: Katherine, mumble ( could very well still be scum)

Scum lean: Ausuka, Maria

+voting Ausuka/MariaR.
Scumreads the scumpool + others on occasion. Brings up Luca/Creature which, if scum, is testing the waters on other lynches outside the pool. Initially focused on Katherine then leaves that when she isn't a wagon.

Initially brings up Luca (scum would want a Luca lynch if Luca is legit). If scum, this was to test the waters. Flips from hard scumread on Katherine to lesser one/null despite her being active. Suggests focus on survival given flexibility here (leaving Katherine vote for MariaR/Ausuka). Could definitely see a hard bus here if both scum are in Tchill/MariaR/Ausuka since otherwise they wouldn't really have a chance of surviving long-term.

Not saying this can't come from town, but it's what scum almost has to do in Tchill's position.

Don't see Katherine/Tchill.

MariaR/Cedrick/Ausuka possible partners if i remember right. In that order based on what I remember reading.

[Hopkirk]

Well sure, he doesn't want to hand out townreads in the lynchpool, but he can push anyone for any reason. Me, Maria, Katherine all have a lot of reasons for someone to go after us. Why does he choose to scumread us for townreading him in particular? That definitely would scare people off for basically no gain. Also, his insistence scum didn't bus makes this game a lot harder for him especially if his partner is in {Maria, Ausuka, FL} because after he gets three of us lynched (and kills three of us too, which COULD not happen) that's 3v2 at best. And that's IF he is the last lynch in the lynchpool and the scumpartner isn't a suspected player either.

Idk I feel like it's just Maria/FL here.

In regard to his insistance scum didn't bus: If the people who voted Implosion don't think scum bussed, it doesn't really matter what Tchill says about it. Not accepting that, if it is accepted, makes Tchill a much more likely lynch.
On the same note, he didn't start the day hard townreads on everyone who voted Implosion. Eg, bringing up Luca as a potential lynch quite hard at the start of the day.

[Ausuka]

Like, not only do we have what's already mentioned, but;

The fact everyone has this same lynch pool should be a giant red sign and maybe I'm blind but considering I have big tr's on 2/3 of the lynch pool minus myself this is a big "uh oh this is gonna go bad"
So go on and lynch me if it will wake everyone up and say "hey look you're incorrect focus else where"

Hell maybe not even Auska is scum because if everyone is agreeing with the same lynch pool it means scum are content with said lynch pool
VOTE: Havo
I'll vote here for now
This ced maybe Luca aus for scum

I mean I'll grant that Havo isn't a totally unreasonable pick for scum, but this here has a lot of scum motivation. Pushing outside the lynchpool is what scum really should be here and she is doing it. The fact that she is apparently SUPER CONFIDENT in her read on me and then turns back because she doesn't like that most people agree on {Maria, ausuka, FL} (which I'm pretty sure isn't even close to an universal pool but like whatever) doesn't feel right to me.
And it also feels like Maria is like "I don't care if I get lynched if it's for the Greater Good™!" half of the time, and the other half of the time she's just like "Don't lynch me! These guys are total scum, lynch them instead!" the other half of the time.

[Hopkirk]

Katherine is a light townread for me. Hard if Tchill flips scum.

[Ausuka]

Well sure, he doesn't want to hand out townreads in the lynchpool, but he can push anyone for any reason. Me, Maria, Katherine all have a lot of reasons for someone to go after us. Why does he choose to scumread us for townreading him in particular? That definitely would scare people off for basically no gain. Also, his insistence scum didn't bus makes this game a lot harder for him especially if his partner is in {Maria, Ausuka, FL} because after he gets three of us lynched (and kills three of us too, which COULD not happen) that's 3v2 at best. And that's IF he is the last lynch in the lynchpool and the scumpartner isn't a suspected player either.

Idk I feel like it's just Maria/FL here.

In regard to his insistance scum didn't bus: If the people who voted Implosion don't think scum bussed, it doesn't really matter what Tchill says about it. Not accepting that, if it is accepted, makes Tchill a much more likely lynch.

You can't convince people of an opinion you don't hold, though, so Tchill probably has to go the reverse at some point (unless his scumpartner is a widely townread Implo voter. It would work well in that scenario, but I don't think that's very likely.) And he didn't have to advocate for scum on Luca as strongly as he did- that just makes it more likely someone will point it out later, if he does reverse his position, and if someone is actually convinced by his arguments that would definitely make his job as scum harder.

On the same note, he didn't start the day hard townreads on everyone who voted Implosion. Eg, bringing up Luca as a potential lynch quite hard at the start of the day.

Eh I suppose that's true.

[Ausuka]

Katherine is a light townread for me. Hard if Tchill flips scum.

Why? As I've said I think FL is scum at this point and I'm not sure where TRs on him are coming from.

[Tchill13]

Man. What should I say...

So why didn't I get lynched earlier? Why did it take this long?

[Ausuka]

so you claim scum?