Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Tchill13]

Maria/FL play just makes a lot more sense than Tchill play as scum IMO. Maria's read on Kath slot still feels like S/S and I still don't get why Scum!Tchill is literally scumreading anyone who starts townreading him. Why is that scum play?

He has to townread/scumread someone. Scum-Tchill (applies to others too) can't afford too townread too many people who are alternative viable lynches.
If he townreads people in the potential lynch pool then 1.) it's harder for him to lynch them later, 2.) he loses flexibility, 3.) depending on who his partners are, it might force him to scumread them or at least increase the likelihood of them being lynched, 4.) he's more likely to get lynched- especially if he tries to push generally townread people who aren't viable lynches.
This doesn't just apply to Tchill, but more generally.

No. I scum read them because it's stupid to TR me at this point. It's that simple.

[Gamma Emerald]

Man. What should I say...

So why didn't I get lynched earlier? Why did it take this long?

What?

[Tchill13]

I'm not looking for "viable lynches". I've already got a scum pool of 3, maybe 4.

If my play is centered around viable lynches explain why I pushed Luca so had at the beginning of day 2. In what world does scum actually think that lynch is gonna go through?

[Tchill13]

Man. What should I say...

So why didn't I get lynched earlier? Why did it take this long?

What?

Well scum would know I'd be an easy lynch day 2. I think they tried to lynch someone else, keep me around, then decided to just go ahead and lynch me because of how slow the game became.

The fact that the majority of townies didn't insta lynch me is honestly alarming.

[Tchill13]

Guess Flavor Leaf is town.

VOTE: Tchill

L-2

Creature calls flavor town because flavor called creature town. Proceeds to vote another flavor town read.

[Tchill13]

So hopkirk doesn't realize that I'm not playing with longevity in mind at all.

I knew I was gonna be the day 2 lynched. I was doomed when I hopped off implosion at L-1.

My best bet if scum didn't bus is Maria and Katherine.

Worth noting that hopkirk clearly intended to vote me.the whole day phase but didn't lay one down on me that's threatening till now.

[Tchill13]

After I flip town, the fact that Maria rose to a higher wagon than me, but was still not lynched should tell you something.

Scum kept this day open to find another lynch that wasn't me. There was opportunity for one but it wasn't taken. Probably because Maria is scum.

[Tchill13]

As long as I'm in this game I'm a minimal threat to scum due to past actions. They'd keep me around if they could. They were clearly able with a Maria lynch and it didn't happen. That's all I'm saying.

[Tchill13]

I've thrown out about... 4 or 5 different outcomes because I simply don't know what's going on. My day 1 play is geared towards a mislynch day 1. So of course when we actually lynch then I'm in uncommon territory.

If scum didn't bus. Maria/katherine (maybe ausuka but I doubt it.)

If scum did bus then it's Luca/???

Only issue I have is lynching me doesn't lead to anything. If I flip town then what? Because I can assure you I won't flip scum which means that town flip needs to lead to something decent.

[Hopkirk]

Maria/FL play just makes a lot more sense than Tchill play as scum IMO. Maria's read on Kath slot still feels like S/S and I still don't get why Scum!Tchill is literally scumreading anyone who starts townreading him. Why is that scum play?

He has to townread/scumread someone. Scum-Tchill (applies to others too) can't afford too townread too many people who are alternative viable lynches.
If he townreads people in the potential lynch pool then 1.) it's harder for him to lynch them later, 2.) he loses flexibility, 3.) depending on who his partners are, it might force him to scumread them or at least increase the likelihood of them being lynched, 4.) he's more likely to get lynched- especially if he tries to push generally townread people who aren't viable lynches.
This doesn't just apply to Tchill, but more generally.

No. I scum read them because it's stupid to TR me at this point. It's that simple.

So hopkirk doesn't realize that I'm not playing with longevity in mind at all.

I knew I was gonna be the day 2 lynched. I was doomed when I hopped off implosion at L-1.

My best bet if scum didn't bus is Maria and Katherine.

Worth noting that hopkirk clearly intended to vote me.the whole day phase but didn't lay one down on me that's threatening till now.

So everything I said on the last page is based on what scum-Tchill would be thinking/doing. Town can play the same way- I said that. But saying you did x because you're town isn't relevant to what scum you would do.
Ausuka was asking why scum-you would play in the way you are. I described the incentives.

On the other point, yes, you were me top scumread going into today. I Switched off of you because I wanted to get more out of the day. Associations mainly- be you scum or town.

[Tchill13]

Luca, Katherine and Maria should be the top suspects going into day 3.

[Hopkirk]

@Tchill: Can you lay out your thoughts on Katherine('s slot). Preferably both scum/town views since you seem uncertain on him.
Any thoughts on Luca potential or unlikely partners too?

If you're lynched and flip town, they will be likely scum day 3.

[Kookoobird]

UNVOTE:

Tchill still lynch today. Hold please.

[Hopkirk]

UNVOTE: Tchill

Don't want a hammer until I've looked at Luca associations.

[Tchill13]

You'll have to give me a bit of time but sure. Not see why you wouldn't be able if we're on page 75ish.

I just remember looking at implosion associations between the two. I'll have to reread isos.

Ik that Katherine took a neutral stance on implosion and that Luca was heavily talked about by implosion.

[Tchill13]

@Tchill: Can you lay out your thoughts on Katherine('s slot). Preferably both scum/town views since you seem uncertain on him.
Any thoughts on Luca potential or unlikely partners too?

If you're lynched and flip town, they will be likely scum day 3.

I've been pushing Katherine scum the whole time.

Just because I've laid out multiple situations of what scum could be doing doesn't mean the one I'm most sure in involves Katherine being scum.

[Hopkirk]

@Tchill: you had him at null at a point recently.

Looking at Luca/Cedrick, Luca/Ausuka, Luca/Katherine. Don't really see Luca/Tchill or Luca/MariaR and Creature/Mumble/Havo/GE are locktown.

[Kookoobird]

Creature needs to do more if he wants to be town. A simple meta dive shows he's a rare player that can literally be sorted by the activity overview page.

[Hopkirk]

Cedrick/Luca is still really concerning.

[Tchill13]

Cedrick/Luca is still really concerning.

you dont say?

I think that was my original push.

Scum bussed: Cedrick/ luca

scum didn't bus: Maria/ katherine.

So had i been viewed widely as town i would demand to ssee a flip from one of those 4. sadly that isn't the case.

[Gamma Emerald]

Guess Flavor Leaf is town.

VOTE: Tchill

L-2

Creature calls flavor town because flavor called creature town. Proceeds to vote another flavor town read.

No? Also every time you continue to shade Creature I like you less and less. I know Creature's meta much better than you, so just fucking shut up about him.

[Tchill13]

@Tchill: you had him at null at a point recently.

Looking at Luca/Cedrick, Luca/Ausuka, Luca/Katherine. Don't really see Luca/Tchill or Luca/MariaR and Creature/Mumble/Havo/GE are locktown.

I kept going back and forth on him because every time i pushed for activit (some conent) it never held due to "Activit is NAI blah blah" voices i kept hearing. Putting him at null was a mistake.

[Gamma Emerald]

I've thrown out about... 4 or 5 different outcomes because I simply don't know what's going on. My day 1 play is geared towards a mislynch day 1. So of course when we actually lynch then I'm in uncommon territory.

If scum didn't bus. Maria/katherine (maybe ausuka but I doubt it.)

If scum did bus then it's Luca/???

Only issue I have is lynching me doesn't lead to anything. If I flip town then what? Because I can assure you I won't flip scum which means that town flip needs to lead to something decent.

Your bussing team is stupid. Why would they flip to their strongman over whatever Luca is?

[Hopkirk]

Cedrick got crazily defensive when I suggested Luca/him. Luca didn't comment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature needs to do more if he wants to be town. A simple meta dive shows he's a rare player that can literally be sorted by the activity overview page.

While his posting is sparser than normal I feel like he's still town based on what he has posted