Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Tchill13]

Anyways, Tchill, who's his partner if I'm not? Because I'm not, and I really don't see the scum case, but limitless non-compulsive commuter is not a townie role.

idk. Flat out idk. There's no reason to need to know. That's a lot of speculation about a flip that is still uncertain. You treat it pretty certain though.

[Mumble]

Thank you Mumble.

Mumble's voting which is news to me, I didn't know he's posted this day phase.

Wonder how much else you missed then.

I mean...like...I said this and was serious. I have had more than a vote this day phase despite being absent over the weekend.

[Kookoobird]

Anyways, Tchill, who's his partner if I'm not? Because I'm not, and I really don't see the scum case, but limitless non-compulsive commuter is not a townie role.

idk. Flat out idk. There's no reason to need to know. That's a lot of speculation about a flip that is still uncertain. You treat it pretty certain though.

Well, if you have no guesses then it sounds like you're just pushing it as a team and not an individual scumread which doesn't work with me being town.

[Kookoobird]

Thank you Mumble.

Mumble's voting which is news to me, I didn't know he's posted this day phase.

Wonder how much else you missed then.

I mean...like...I said this and was serious. I have had more than a vote this day phase despite being absent over the weekend.

I read day 2 much lighter than day 1 because I didn't do it all at once and take notes, apologies.

[Tchill13]

I've thrown out about... 4 or 5 different outcomes because I simply don't know what's going on. My day 1 play is geared towards a mislynch day 1. So of course when we actually lynch then I'm in uncommon territory.

If scum didn't bus. Maria/katherine (maybe ausuka but I doubt it.)

If scum did bus then it's Luca/???

Only issue I have is lynching me doesn't lead to anything. If I flip town then what? Because I can assure you I won't flip scum which means that town flip needs to lead to something decent.

Your bussing team is stupid. Why would they flip to their strongman over whatever Luca is?

Luca switched to voting Implosion on L1. If it's bussing, it's last second bussing to avoid autolosing on the lynch on Implosion.

If anyone else switched (lets say Tchill which is plausible for scum there), then this votecount really doesn't make them look good.

implosion (7): Hopkirk, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Havo, Mumble, Killthestory, Tchill
Mumble (2): Cedrick, Luca Blight
Luca Blight (5): Ausuka, MariaR, katherine, Tchill13, implosion
(Implosion switched to Luca 10 minutes before Luca hammered (signal/consent to bus?) as well. If Tchill hammered before that then it'd be Cedrick/Luca/Implosion on Mumble.)

You'd also bus Implosion over Luca because Luca's claimed commuter which has implications for how valuable he is to the scumteam there, and because Implosion didn't have the opportunity to hammer Luca, but Luca had the opportunity to hammer Implosion.

If people buy Luca's claim/bus, he makes it to lylo/endgame without having to explain why he hasn't been killed. There's no threat to him. If people completely buy his claim then scum autowin.
Luca's play today is a lot lazier/conservative than his role should suggest.

@Tchill: I can see you as town. Luca/Cedrick is a serious concern for me.

Despite so many posts saying Luca is town, Cedrick never actually says why. Examples:
1141- Puts Luca as town (based on the vote?) without reason. Says he doesn't think my vote makes me look town. Should explain why Luca's was better when it was a hammer when Luca was the opposing wagon. Never considers scum-Luca in thread.
1158/1248- Gets ridiculously aggressive when I suggest Luca/Cedrick.
1348- 'Most people will think Luca is town' - why?

KTS kill makes sense with Luca scum if I remember right.

Come to think of it, after claiming, Luca's role isn't any more useful than a VT if there's not solid reason to hard townread him.

luca feels like a powerwolf, but it depends on what havo flips. i think i only lynch one of havo or luca.

luca wagon is super pure and super ok.

LOL.

glad i didn't hammer you senior mumble. you want to take out luca now?

Yeah, I could see Luca wanting this dead. Makes more sense than Tchill killing KTS too.
I feel like KTS would go into the day promoting the townblock (Hopkirk/GE/KTS/Creature/Havo/Mumble), but still wanting Luca lynched.

Previous VC is useful too. Luca/Implosion also left the Mumble wagon to vote each other.

i can't give you specific interaction. I'll leave you with this though. Hopkirk put MUCH more effort into explanation than i ever thought about doing.

[Kookoobird]

Anyways, Tchill, who's his partner if I'm not? Because I'm not, and I really don't see the scum case, but limitless non-compulsive commuter is not a townie role.

I don't see how it's not a townie role.

Are you serious? It is an Ascetic clone that is also bulletproof. It cannot be investigated and wastes any town actions that target it. There is almost no situation for a town commuter to commute.

[Luca Blight]

Everything Hopkirk said was nonsense, as I already pointed out.

[Mumble]

I read day 2 much lighter than day 1 because I didn't do it all at once and take notes, apologies.

Quick ISO of my D2 then. I don't like tchill for scum.

Nice avi btw.

[Kookoobird]

I read day 2 much lighter than day 1 because I didn't do it all at once and take notes, apologies.

Quick ISO of my D2 then. I don't like tchill for scum.

Nice avi btw.

Thanks.

Will do. What do you think of Maria and Ausuka?

[Luca Blight]

Anyways, Tchill, who's his partner if I'm not? Because I'm not, and I really don't see the scum case, but limitless non-compulsive commuter is not a townie role.

I don't see how it's not a townie role.

Are you serious? It is an Ascetic clone that is also bulletproof. It cannot be investigated and wastes any town actions that target it. There is almost no situation for a town commuter to commute.

I'm deadly serious given I'm town and that is my role.

Town might want to commute if they think they'll be killed? Like, I'm normally a N1 kill, or a scum target generally so I actually thought it'd be a useful role for me this game, until everyone started suspecting me for literally nothing.

[Tchill13]

Anyways, Tchill, who's his partner if I'm not? Because I'm not, and I really don't see the scum case, but limitless non-compulsive commuter is not a townie role.

idk. Flat out idk. There's no reason to need to know. That's a lot of speculation about a flip that is still uncertain. You treat it pretty certain though.

Well, if you have no guesses then it sounds like you're just pushing it as a team and not an individual scumread which doesn't work with me being town.

nice avi.

Me having no other guesses shows my emphasis is on lynching Luca. One scum at a time. For things his play. I haven't mentioned why he is scum due to CEDRICKS play.

I've mentioned why CEDRICK is scum due to luca's play. you're trying to discredit my luca push through an association read that has nothing to do with luca and everything to do with you. You're obviously worried about what happens if he flips scum (which YOU shouldn't know for certain yet unless scum with him). This is self preservation at it's finest.

[Tchill13]

Everything Hopkirk said was nonsense, as I already pointed out.

oh what a joke.

[Kookoobird]

Everything Hopkirk said was nonsense, as I already pointed out.

oh what a joke.

I agree, because I think it was a good push.

I like Hopkirks push and think he's town, looking at that. I still don't overly want to lynch Luca though. Even for him, a lot of the case hedges on me being the partner. My predecessor hard townreading Luca is a good note for town Luca, even if I can't cite reasoning.

[Tchill13]

i think youre just ignoring it at this point. People showed a case on luca and mentioned you as a possible partner.

The case on luca is independent of the actions of cedrick.

[Kookoobird]

Anyways, Tchill, who's his partner if I'm not? Because I'm not, and I really don't see the scum case, but limitless non-compulsive commuter is not a townie role.

idk. Flat out idk. There's no reason to need to know. That's a lot of speculation about a flip that is still uncertain. You treat it pretty certain though.

Well, if you have no guesses then it sounds like you're just pushing it as a team and not an individual scumread which doesn't work with me being town.

nice avi.

Me having no other guesses shows my emphasis is on lynching Luca. One scum at a time. For things his play. I haven't mentioned why he is scum due to CEDRICKS play.

I've mentioned why CEDRICK is scum due to luca's play. you're trying to discredit my luca push through an association read that has nothing to do with luca and everything to do with you. You're obviously worried about what happens if he flips scum (which YOU shouldn't know for certain yet unless scum with him). This is self preservation at it's finest.

Thanks.

I said I was fine being mislynched if it happens, I'm not worried. You having no other guesses does not show that, because you spent a lot of time saying why I am a partner which doesn't jive with "having no guesses shows my emphasis is on lynching Luca"

Anyways, Tchill, who's his partner if I'm not? Because I'm not, and I really don't see the scum case, but limitless non-compulsive commuter is not a townie role.

I don't see how it's not a townie role.

Are you serious? It is an Ascetic clone that is also bulletproof. It cannot be investigated and wastes any town actions that target it. There is almost no situation for a town commuter to commute.

I'm deadly serious given I'm town and that is my role.

Town might want to commute if they think they'll be killed? Like, I'm normally a N1 kill, or a scum target generally so I actually thought it'd be a useful role for me this game, until everyone started suspecting me for literally nothing.

Yes, which is why it straight up isn't negative because its not compulsive. You should not be commuting here though, I hope you agree with that.

[Tchill13]

just because youre the only associative guess at this point doesn't mean Luca's case relies on that.

Why are you worried about it anyway because you obviously think he's town. You shouldn't fear a luca scum flip.

[Kookoobird]

Mumble's iso is better than I remember. Confident it's town.

[Luca Blight]

What particularly do you like about Hopkirk's push?

[Kookoobird]

just because youre the only associative guess at this point doesn't mean Luca's case relies on that.

Why are you worried about it anyway because you obviously think he's town. You shouldn't fear a luca scum flip.

Look at my reads. He was in my scum pool. I didn't think he was town, but he has a townie string of posts and he's not as scummy as the person pushing him strongest.

[Mumble]

Will do. What do you think of Maria and Ausuka?

Maria is probably town? Her "lynch me" thing feel real, but could come from scum. I would lynch Ausuka over her, but I have no concrete reason to do so.

[Tchill13]

I pushed luca early day 2 and i don't remember pushing Cedrick during that time. What do you make of that?

[Tchill13]

What particularly do you like about Hopkirk's push?

literally everything.

[Luca Blight]

What particularly do you like about Hopkirk's push?

literally everything.

I was talking to Cedrick II.

[Tchill13]

@Tchill: I can see you as town. Luca/Cedrick is a serious concern for me.

Despite so many posts saying Luca is town, Cedrick never actually says why. Examples:
1141- Puts Luca as town (based on the vote?) without reason. Says he doesn't think my vote makes me look town. Should explain why Luca's was better when it was a hammer when Luca was the opposing wagon. Never considers scum-Luca in thread.
1158/1248- Gets ridiculously aggressive when I suggest Luca/Cedrick.
1348- 'Most people will think Luca is town' - why?

KTS kill makes sense with Luca scum if I remember right.

Come to think of it, after claiming, Luca's role isn't any more useful than a VT if there's not solid reason to hard townread him.

that last line is why Cedrick hard defended you but as hopkirk pointed out it doesn't even matter.

[Kookoobird]

What particularly do you like about Hopkirk's push?

His progression, mostly. He pushed Tchill, had valid reasons to scumread you in the quoted posts by Tchill, I haven't iso'd my predecessor but if he didn't explain the townread and insisted on it then that's a valid reason to partner read. He started the Luca / Cedrick push afaict, and that is a main reason I'm townreading it actually. I don't think scum go for the angle of "this is the scum team let's lynch it" when his day 1 was incredibly obv town, especially when he had more viable mislynch options depending on who his partner was. Tchill was a good push, could have gone for Cedrick / Luca after even if you are his partner, which would have been much safer and easier. It is a genuine push, even if it is wrong. Everything about it is very townie and I lynch you over Hopkirk 100% of the time.