In post 653, Something_Smart wrote:
Relevant difference is, people saw the verydark wagon and chose not to join it, and instead created the BuJaber wagon. The BuJaber wagon was created because people did not want to continue pursuing the verydark wagon.
There has been no wagon that has arisen because people don't want to continue pursuing the BuJaber wagon; but I feel that way, and therefore I would like one.
This is fair, point taken
In post 653, Something_Smart wrote:
Easy to do as scum != scum are likely to do it.
Scum like to keep their options open. And I don't really think that people look townier when you're scum, because you're not really in the mindset of trying to identify scum but rather trying to find things that you can plausibly sell as scum. It takes extreme introspective and metacognitive abilities to replicate exactly how you would read people if you were town, so most likely scum are not going off how people actually seem to them but rather they are going off of what they deem strategically good and also believable.
There's also some anecdotal evidence, in that I have had this problem before as town. And the fact that he's trying to solve it means that he recognizes that it is, in fact, a problem.
this on the other hand I still disagree with pretty hard.
I'm not saying BuJaber is likely scum for saying "I have too many townreads", I'm saying if you're townreading him primarily for that it's entirely NAI and I challenge your townread, because it can just as likely come from scum as town. The entire paragraph re: "Scum like to keep their options open" is just how you personally play scum. On the other hand, I
do
try to play scum by trying to emulate my towngame and find reads that I'd plausibly have as town, and that requires me to generally townread people that I don't think I'd ever scumread as town. And in that process I'm going to be biased because now I'm operating from a point where I
know
they are town.
I have noticed that as scum I tend to put a bit too much stock in things looking townie that may have actually not looked as townie if I were in an uninformed town perspective. And you even say the reads need to be "believable" - what if he thinks it wouldn't be believable to scumread most of the players in this game?
I've had too many townreads as town before too, but again, just because someone makes a post/statement that resonates with how you've felt as town in past games does not at all clear them in this one. No scum would say "I have too many townreads" and not even pretend to have a problem with it, that's just bad play. And what has he
actually done
since then to try to solve it?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
