Large Normal 211: Scientific Mafia

[TwoInAMillion]

Last time I stopped tunneling you it cost town the game.

[Pine]

Boon Flavor is the right place to be. Choo choo!

[Flavor Leaf]

Last time I stopped tunneling you it cost town the game.

Fair enough, but the 1v1 let me hide in plain sight, so i’m not asking that you stop tunneling, just start later.





And alright, looks like we’re doing this.


VOTE: Pine

BRING IT ON FIREBRINGER!

[Flavor Leaf]

I ONGUS HARD

[TwoInAMillion]

Last time I stopped tunneling you it cost town the game.

Fair enough, but the 1v1 let me hide in plain sight, so i’m not asking that you stop tunneling, just start later.





I don't respond to scum requests.

[Inferno390]

Very all, just as a heads up, I'm very busy right now, so my responses might be a little... Sporadic. Going to give some heavy reads soon, but to start off:

I'm gonna try something: for this I'm gonna lurk out the first irl day or so

Imma make this short and simple.

I'm in a neighborhood with Gamma Emerald. I'm an ascetic miller also. No other info will be given.

I can confirm the neighborhood, as I am also in it with Flavor and Gamma. Flavor also made the same claim in that thread, though he took it back. He also pushed me in the neighborhood rather opportunisticly due to my inactivity. I would like to let y'all know that the neighbors have not been confirmed in terms of team to each other, just so it's not questioned later.

I completely failed to respond to that post. Ascetic Miller isn't overkill for a fakeclaim, it's just wrong. "You can't visit me but if you could I would come up as scum," doesn't make sense.

Just because it's redundant doesn't make it wrong. Mods make shit like that all the time just to make a role hard to claim outright. He also hasn't fully expanded on the nature of his role. It could be an X-shot ascetic miller. Or ascetic comes with some heavy asterisks. Or he's just paraphrasing his role name. There's a lot of possibilities.

I'll be honest, I had to visit the wiki to remember what Ascetic was. A 'Reflexive' role doesn't seem like one that is an X-Shot thing.
It could be that Assembler did something like that, but why? The only valuable use I can see Town having for an X-Shot weak Commuter (Which is what it would be functionally) is to prevent scum Roleblocking a different ability that he can use. He can dodge being roleblocked, healed, watched, or investigated, but not killed. We can't track him to see if he kills someone, we can't heal him after he turned himself into a target, we can't watch his house for the killer, we can't investigate him (And if we could we'd get a guilty result?)

It being something hard to claim doesn't seem right either, if it's just redundant then why even bring up that he's a Miller? Stick with Ascetic and you're good.

If we can't verify anything about him, or protect him, why keep him around? If he shows himself to be Town then we can trust Gamma to a point. If he shows himself to be something else then we have another person to look at that he volunteered.


He claimed Miller, which is something that I personally raise my eyebrow towards. In addition to claiming Miller, he claimed that visiting him is pointless, and has said he's sharing a chat. All of these are ticking boxes in my head that yell 'SCUM.'
Comes up guilty to investigation: Check
Collusion with another player: Check
Tells Town not to visit them: Check

It could be that his role is strange, that there's a reason I can't think of, or that he's bold scum. I just know that the claim itself doesn't make sense at face value, and that it's easier for me to assign scum reasoning to it than a possible Town role.

A couple reasons for my vote I suppose.

This seems incredibly strong and out of the gate for this early. Not sure whether tryhard town or scum pushing a fakeclaim.

While on the subject of fakeclaims, I am, once again, The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out of Its Ass. Take that as you will.

[Flubbernugget]

Would mafia claim something like this this early?

Looks like they had a cleaner gambit in mind than what they attempted

How is this alignment indicative?

Can we stop normalizing town making shitty fakeclaim gambits please

If you really have to take this angle then you can consider flavor a policy lynch best by either the play or the actual role

[Flubbernugget]

Ew, he retracted the claim in a hood too

[Inferno390]

Ebwop: I misremembered. Leaf said he was going to take back the neighbor claim, but he did not take back the miller claim in neighborhood thread. My bad.

[Flubbernugget]

Darn

[Inferno390]

I've got to ask. How many people here have played in a game with James or I?

[Flubbernugget]

Yawn

[Theta Alpine]

i do not know who james is so i will assume i have not played with him
i do not remember if i have played with you

now to be serious
is the neighborhood actually a thing

because i could see gamma waiting out a day making very real sense if he is in a neighborhood

[Inferno390]

Yes, it is a definite thing. Me, Gamma, Flavor, and one other.

[Nosferatu]

Boon Flavor is the right place to be. Choo choo!

[Inferno390]

LUV. That's who it is. LUV, me, Leaf, and Gamma. None of them are confirmed as town to the others though. (If I just tricked over the neighborhood, I'm sorry. I've never played a role like this before, so I'm just going to be transparent about it.)

[TwoInAMillion]

The odds of this being an all town neighborhood are very low.

[Nosferatu]

tell me something i dont know

[Inferno390]

I agree on leaf. His in neighborhood push I name was very opportunistic, and this claim seems very meh to me. Plus, what was the point. In restating it in neighborhood?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Would mafia claim something like this this early?

Looks like they had a cleaner gambit in mind than what they attempted

How is this alignment indicative?

Can we stop normalizing town making shitty fakeclaim gambits please

If you really have to take this angle then you can consider flavor a policy lynch best by either the play or the actual role

I mean I just don’t understand why it warrants a vote. I don’t think in today’s age one alignment has more incentive to openly fake claim there than the other.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've got to ask. How many people here have played in a game with James or I?

Why is this important?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV. That's who it is. LUV, me, Leaf, and Gamma. None of them are confirmed as town to the others though. (If I just tricked over the neighborhood, I'm sorry. I've never played a role like this before, so I'm just going to be transparent about it.)

The damage is already been done man

I don’t care for neighborhoods much since I can get really paranoid and I’m terrible as town anyways.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Unless Gamma has done a complete 360, I don’t think the existence of a neighborhood is why he decided not to post.

[Inferno390]

I've got to ask. How many people here have played in a game with James or I?

Why is this important?

I'm honestly just curious, because I've recognized the names if like half the game already. (I also find it amusing that all of the other people in the neighborhood are players I've had some experience with before.)

[profii]

The odds of this being an all town neighborhood are very low.

How many scum should we expect in a 20p game

The hood seems to have outed itself with no disputes - is a 1 in 4 chance at mafia going to be better than however many in 20

I’m assuming we don’t have 5 scum here so surely yes?