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ISO · Post Post #2550 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:12 am

In post 2548, Hopkirk wrote:Why not wagon Havo?

I'm totally willing to but that wouldn't be an info wagon and I think everyone knows that already

Hopkirk · Post Post #2551 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:38 am

I don't think info we get from it now would be meaningful.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2552 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:46 am

In post 2512, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:
In post 2420, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw I don't think scum!Tchill doubles down on Flavor/Ausuka rn, feels like a suicidal move
gamma is this what you were tlaking about earlier? i would assume that CAUGHT SCUM would want to act more desperately [ ± _ ± ]

Yeah, so if he were caught scum wouldn't he want to push other options?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2553 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:06 am

In post 2527, Ausuka wrote:
In post 2506, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:well EITHER WAY she thinks the teams are FL/Havo, FL/Tchill, Havo/{Gamma, COokoo, Tchill} so her PROSEPCTIVE is that HAVO has the most scum equity here
No you guys are taking my posts wildly out of context. They're not the only possible scumteams here, that's not what I was saying at all. Tchill first asked why I wasn't considering FL with tchill himself or with someone who was on Implo d1, and I responded by saying I had openly discussed the possibility of FL/Tchill and FL/Havo. Then Tchill said I shouldn't be voting Havo because he was in only 1 scumteam. I responded by giving 3 other very possible scumteams with Havo in them.

If I have to make a ranking:

Tchill/Havo
Havo/Gamma
Havo/Creature
Tchill/Gamma

Havo/FL
Tchill/FL
Gamma/Creature
Gamma/FL

Creature/FL
Havo/Mumble
Gamma/Mumble
Creature/Mumble
Tchill/Mumble
Mumble/FL

Havo/Hopkirk
Tchill/Hopkirk
Gamma/Hopkirk
Creature/Hopkirk
Hopkirk/FL
Havo/Simyk
Gamma/Simyk
Simyk/Creature
Simyk/FL
Simyk/Mumble

Tchill/Creature
Hopkirk/Mumble
Simyk/Hopkirk
Tchill/Simyk

I think there's probably a few weird rankings but why isn't Me/Creature higher if we're both possibly suspects enough to have high-ranking pairing?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2554 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:22 am

In post 2536, Ausuka wrote:I think tchill is a good lynch for today but I don't want to do it yet.

Think of the
information
we could get by wagoning Creature!

This is 100% certifiably stupid

ISO · Post Post #2555 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:51 am

You're both pretty high up but neither of you are Tchill or Havo. I know I said Tchill was townier than you when I first voted Tchill but that isn't the case anymore. It's not like I thought too much about the positioning; there were too many possibilities for that.

ISO · Post Post #2556 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:51 am

In post 2554, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2536, Ausuka wrote:I think tchill is a good lynch for today but I don't want to do it yet.

Think of the
information
we could get by wagoning Creature!
This is 100% certifiably stupid

No, it's the smartest idea ever.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2557 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:55 am

Wagoning/lynching Creature is not an information play ever

ISO · Post Post #2558 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:56 am

In post 2557, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wagoning Creature is not an information play ever

You're just jealous you didn't come up with the idea first.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2559 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:58 am

In post 2558, Ausuka wrote:
In post 2557, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wagoning Creature is not an information play ever
You're just jealous you didn't come up with the idea first.

VOTE: Ausuka

ISO · Post Post #2560 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:59 am

No but seriously I do actually want to wagon Creature. He was towny d1 but having less posts than the mod and most other players is DEFINITELY not something I usually see from town!Creature.

ISO · Post Post #2561 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:59 am

And sorting him will definitely make this game easier.

Hopkirk · Post Post #2562 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:05 am

But Creature's town.

In post 2448, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2446, Hopkirk wrote:@Gamma: what are your thoughts on the following two votecount points:
The 5 votes on Katherine changing to 5 on Implosion
Ausuka staying at 3 votes just short of the tipping point for a long time
quotes pls

Haven't you already done VCA?

@Gamma: thoughts on Havo/Tchill?

ISO · Post Post #2563 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:05 am

In post 2562, Hopkirk wrote:But Creature's town.

Well yeah but why though.

ISO · Post Post #2564 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:07 am

Like I get he's probably busy irl or something but it's hard to be sure of anything this game and it's been so long since Creature was active. That slot just can't be locktown right now and the game gets a lot easier if it is.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2565 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:09 am

In post 2562, Hopkirk wrote:But Creature's town.

In post 2448, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2446, Hopkirk wrote:@Gamma: what are your thoughts on the following two votecount points:
The 5 votes on Katherine changing to 5 on Implosion
Ausuka staying at 3 votes just short of the tipping point for a long time
quotes pls
Haven't you already done VCA?

@Gamma: thoughts on Havo/Tchill?

I'd like you to quote them because I'm not sure which ones you refer to off the top of my head. I haven't really done VCA recently

Hopkirk · Post Post #2566 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:10 am

We should all pretend we scumread Mumble to make lylo super easy.

Hopkirk · Post Post #2567 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:13 am

350-400 goes from 5 on Implosion and 1 on Kat to 5 on Kat and 1 on Implosion.
625-950- 3 votes sit on Ausuka without the wagon growing any more.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2568 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:14 am

btw I think Havo Tchill kinda feels a bit weird, like why does Havo swing around so late on the Luca lynch if that's the plan, plus I feel like Teech is town still

anyway I'm gonna post this here, this is the main process for sorting Creature for all you nubs
Is Creature Active?
Is Creature doing his usual stream of consciousness posting?
Is Creature confident in his towniness?
Is Creature taking the easy outs on his reads (IE Obvtown town, lynchbaits consensus scum)?

I'm gonna go through this, and the main upshot is if the answers to the first 3 are yes and the last one no, then he's town, and the further he digresses from these answers the more likely it is he is scum
I can already say the answer for question 3 is yes, and can link the post if needed

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2569 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:14 am

In post 2567, Hopkirk wrote:350-400 goes from 5 on Implosion and 1 on Kat to 5 on Kat and 1 on Implosion.
625-950- 3 votes sit on Ausuka without the wagon growing any more.

ok then, will read those
I recall saying the first thing was weird as it happened

Hopkirk · Post Post #2570 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:15 am

What do you mean by 'why does Havo swing around so late on the Luca lynch'?

ISO · Post Post #2571 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:21 am

I know Creature's meta fine, maybe better than you do- I've correctly read him in every game we've played together (apart from one game back in 2015 when he didn't have his meta, but I was very different then, so that's irrelevant.)

In post 2568, Gamma Emerald wrote: Is Creature Active?

No.

In post 2568, Gamma Emerald wrote: Is Creature doing his usual stream of consciousness posting?

No.

In post 2568, Gamma Emerald wrote: Is Creature confident in his towniness?

Kinda.

In post 2568, Gamma Emerald wrote: Is Creature taking the easy outs on his reads (IE Obvtown town, lynchbaits consensus scum)?
No.

My read on Creature this game is conflicted and that's never happened before. I want to wagon him purely to help sort him. I've probably already said too much about it, but oh well.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2572 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:30 am

Hop you reversed things

In post 350, northsidegal wrote:
VC 1.05

votes

implosion
(1): Creature

katherine
(5): MariaR, implosion, Tchill13, Luca Blight, Mumble

MariaR
(2): katherine, brassherald

killthestory
(2): Cedrick, Havo

Mumble
(1): Killthestory

Not Voting
(2): Ausuka, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2018-03-22 19:42:59)

Mod Notes
:

In post 400, northsidegal wrote:
VC 1.06

votes

implosion
(5): Creature, MariaR, Havo, Mumble, Tchill13

katherine
(1): Luca Blight

MariaR
(1): brassherald

killthestory
(2): Cedrick, implosion

Mumble
(2): Ausuka, Killthestory

Ausuka
(1): katherine

Not Voting
(1): Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2018-03-22 19:42:59)

Mod Notes
:

So I did a meta check and determined Creature does not bus. As such I'm taking him parking on implo for so long to be townclearing in addition what I intend to present for him later. In addition I'm thinking Havo/TChill is a pretty dum-dum team since both of them jumped onto implosion, which was a pretty bad choice for a bus imo. In addition the Implosion and Kath wagons look pretty pure imo, since there's more townflips and townreads there than suspects and scumflips. So yeah this one doesn't really change much.

ISO · Post Post #2573 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:09 am

In post 2572, Gamma Emerald wrote: So I did a meta check and determined Creature does not bus.

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All from my two scumgames with him.

You're wrong and possibly scum.

Tchill13 · Post Post #2574 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:18 am

In post 2530, Hopkirk wrote:I'm thinking there's scum within (Havo/Ausuka) and there's scum within (Flavor/Tchill).

In post 2531, Hopkirk wrote:Havo/Tchill. Looking closely at this.

OH wow. Ausuka/flavor is a possibility? I have been saying that this whole time.