Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Ausuka]

This havo can't make it to lylo is quite sudden and nI'm ot sure where it even came from.

I mean I've been pushing Havo for all of d3. It's really not all that sudden. Plus I already have this big post why I explain why I scumread havo.

[Ausuka]

if you're doing it for NK info, you're doing it wrong IMO. We should massclaim today or tomorrow, because LYLO claims are always troublesome with the whole you-can't-CC thing. Even the day before lylo can be a problem.

[Ausuka]

If we get to LYLO, we have 3 or 5 bussers, all of them look the same.

[Tchill13]

I'm not doing it for night actions or NK info that's just a benefit.

I'm doing it because 2 scum didn't bus their strongest PR when they could have lynched town.

Ik you have a case on havo but that's different than explaining why he can't make it to lylo.

The only one on implosion that I think could be town that could get mislynched in lylo if we chainsawed would be creature.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: ausuka

You're scum. You're SO Scum due to the fact you refuse to take a solid stance and you won't even admit my logic is actually decent. You continue to argue possibility even if it's a minute one without giving a better idea to figure the game out. You're scum.

[Ausuka]

I don't want him in LYLO because I think he's scum. Pretty simple I think.
I heavily disagree with your second point but I've already explained that and you don't care so whatever.

pedit: nice to know

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:
you know what, I'm doing this wrong. I think tchill is town after all but I'm just so fustrated with his play.
Scum could be FL with Havo or FL with Simyk even.

[Ausuka]

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Tchill13
Creature
Gamma Emerald
Hopkirk
Havo
Mumble
Flavor Leaf

{Hopkirk, Mumble, Creature}- Town
{Tchill, Simyk}- Probably town I guess
{Gamma, FL} Scumpool- not scum together but probably one of them is scum with Havo
{Havo}- Probably scum here.

not like anyone cares about my reads lol

[Tchill13]

You need to prove why scum would bus they're strong PR day 1 when they could have lynched a claimed town PR.

Do it without saying "to win the game off of bussing". Like that's obviously why scum bus so explain why scum would think that would win them the game that early. I'm the only one kicking and screaming to chainsaw. So if you can say "it made sense for BOTH to bus there because..." Without saying "this is why, because of ppl like you" I might actually listen to your reasoning.

Give context. Explain why in that particular situation at that time scum would think it's better for BOTH to bus their PR than change knew vote and lynch a claimed town PR.

[Ausuka]

Okay so I'll try this again.
So we have D1. Implo and Luca are the wagons or it's shaping out to be that way, and neither of them are likely to get to endgame. Scum have two choices.
1. Vote Luca
This is the one everyone talks about. And sure, they could, and Luca gets lynched that day, yes, but then what? I'm willing to bet that in this scenario, we lynch implo d2 or d3, right? Implo was clearly not into the game and according to a lot of people he was scum.This doesn't leave scum any better off than they would be if they'd lynched implo d1. Still 1 scum lynch and however many town lynches. And what's more, they're more likely to follow. They defended the flipped scum, they tied themselves to him. They get investigated and/or lynched and town probably win here. Implo lynch was pretty much inevitable, eventually.

And here's scenario 2: Vote Implo
In the short run, yes, this kills a scum when they could've killed a townie. HOWEVER. It enables them to lynch players off the implo wagon instead of themselves. This advantage EASILY outweighs leaving an apathetic scum alive. The scum basically get more towncred, and when LYLO comes around, they're more likely to be there, and they're more likely to win overall. Because yes, the towncred you get from bussing in the current meta is clearly not at all insignificant. Scum bus all the time, and usually, they CAN actually lynch a town if they didn't. As scum, it's easy to get a d1 townlynch. What you have to worry about is what happens after that.

So yeah, I think it's perfectly viable for scum to vote Implo.

[Ausuka]

Also Luca claimed like 2 posts before the hammer. Scum couldn't do anything at that point. 1-shot strongman is a weak PR, basically a goon.

[Tchill13]

What's the biggest problem for town rn? It's did or didn't scum bus. What's the best way to figure that out? Kill everyone on the d1 Luca wagon.

It limits NK options.

It Limits night action options.

If scum make it to lylo and 2 people did bus there's a good chance your scum read rn would be dead by the time we were ready to lynch people on the implosion d1 wagon.

If your scum read on the implosion wagon at this moment isn't dead by that time then they're probably scum. If you're scum at this moment is town There's a decent chance they'll be NK'd before we get to that moment.

I fail to see the negatives of my plan.

[Tchill13]

I'm not arguing the fact that maybe 1 scum didn't bus. I'm arguing BOTH scum didn't bus.

If only 1 scum bussed we still catch one scum by chainsawing.

[Ausuka]

Your plan is definitely more ok than I thought it was last night but like Havo is the most probable scum here. I just want to lynch Havo and if we chainlynch everyone on Luca wagon we can't do that.
And I still don't see why scum don't both take the towncred if one of them is alright with implo dying, but ok.
I guess I'll follow the plan and vote in Tchill and FL if we massclaim tomorrow or the day after that, and the people in lylo at least keep in mind my post in 2520.

[Tchill13]

Like I don't want you to think I'm being dense. I see what you're saying I just disagree with the fact BOTH would in that scenario that early.

I think it's clear why I'm skeptical of YOU in particular for being so stubborn about it.

We should mass claim the day before lylo.

[Ausuka]

But like I hard-believe that scum would definitely both hop on implo if they really do think implo was going down. Like, once one scum hops on implo that's like a signal saying "Hey this guy's going down so let's bus him for the towncred."

[Tchill13]

Your plan is definitely more ok than I thought it was last night but like Havo is the most probable scum here. I just want to lynch Havo and if we chainlynch everyone on Luca wagon we can't do that.
And I still don't see why scum don't both take the towncred if one of them is alright with implo dying, but ok.
I guess I'll follow the plan and vote in Tchill and FL if we massclaim tomorrow or the day after that, and the people in lylo at least keep in mind my post in 2520.

If havo is scum that should be very clear by the time we're ready to lynch on the implosion d1 wagon.

[Ausuka]

ok sure.

intent to hammer Flavour Leaf

[Tchill13]

Wait.

[Tchill13]

well EITHER WAY she thinks the teams are FL/Havo, FL/Tchill, Havo/{Gamma, COokoo, Tchill} so her PROSEPCTIVE is that HAVO has the most scum equity here

No you guys are taking my posts wildly out of context. They're not the only possible scumteams here, that's not what I was saying at all. Tchill first asked why I wasn't considering FL with tchill himself or with someone who was on Implo d1, and I responded by saying I had openly discussed the possibility of FL/Tchill and FL/Havo. Then Tchill said I shouldn't be voting Havo because he was in only 1 scumteam. I responded by giving 3 other very possible scumteams with Havo in them.

If I have to make a ranking:

Tchill/Havo
Havo/Gamma
Havo/Creature
Tchill/Gamma

Havo/FL
Tchill/FL
Gamma/Creature
Gamma/FL

Creature/FL
Havo/Mumble
Gamma/Mumble
Creature/Mumble
Tchill/Mumble
Mumble/FL

Havo/Hopkirk
Tchill/Hopkirk
Gamma/Hopkirk
Creature/Hopkirk
Hopkirk/FL
Havo/Simyk
Gamma/Simyk
Simyk/Creature
Simyk/FL
Simyk/Mumble

Tchill/Creature
Hopkirk/Mumble
Simyk/Hopkirk
Tchill/Simyk

So you HARD believe both scum would bus if one scum did. Shouldn't half of your most likely scum teams be 2 ppl off the wagon and the other half be 2 people ON wagon?

[Ausuka]

No I hard believe that is definitely possible. I can definitely see how my post is unclear, but "would" means "would be willing to."

I'm not sure why you're trying to sort me, considering we're lynching me anyway.

[Tchill13]

I'm just making sure that it's reasonable to lynch you as a legitimate scum candidate regardless of "the plan" and I do believe it is reasonable.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, wtf’s going on?

I’m a two shot vig. Get off of me. I killed Maria. Katherine didn’t kill Night 1

[Flavor Leaf]

Though I'm interested in your Ausuka townread, if it's still there. Could you explain it more please.

V

well. I’m on BART, so I’ll try and get to quoting some gamma stuff later.

I

just see where Ausuka’s coming from. I also feel like scum was on the Luca wagon, likely both of them.

G

to remember Maria flipping town and then Ausuka immediately becomes the suspect.

[northsidegal]

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