Micro 792: Three in One (Day 6)

[Mathdino]

So... I have no reason to believe that the scum are not terrible at PR hunting. Is what you're saying.

When you are in this game.

also keep in mind eddie cane and RC have massive targets on their backs as town anyway just by virtue of being them

so it doesn't actually change the equity of shooting them to openly crumb their role

the way they play evolved from very different experiences to you

Edit: yes.

dude the playerlist FYPOV is literally redflavor, N_M, mathdino, gamma, penguin

of these, i imagine i'd be the only one that's not shit at PR hunting

but if you were trying to dodge the kill from me, then openly implying "i'm tunneling math tomorrow" is EXACTLY HOW TO GET ME TO KILL YOU

pagetopping this shit

2 options here:

1. Smart thinks I'm not scum, therefore scum is probably shit at PR hunting. And crumbing C-O-P gets you fucking killed.

2. Smart thinks I could be scum, therefore scum is decent at PR hunting, YET HE LITERALLY SAYS WE LYNCH MATH TOMORROW FUCKING WAT

[Something_Smart]

I never pointed to it as a crumb. I'm freely admitting that I'd do the same as doc, VT, or scum.

It was nothing more than a joke, with maybe a bit of WIFOM added to make scum think I wasn't cop.

[Something_Smart]

@Gamma.

[Mathdino]

I never pointed to it as a crumb.

I'm freely admitting that I'd do the same as doc, VT, or scum.

It was nothing more than a joke, with maybe a bit of WIFOM added to make scum think I wasn't cop.

and i straight up believe this is a lie

scum don't pick up on WIFOM that deep anyway

[Something_Smart]

but if you were trying to dodge the kill from me, then openly implying "i'm tunneling math tomorrow" is EXACTLY HOW TO GET ME TO KILL YOU

If I die, it looks TERRIBLE for you.

It kinda sounds like it's exactly how to get you to 1v1 me in LYLO.

[Mathdino]

Scum has killed the 1 person tunneling me end of day before and people just confirmed me as town by the hilarious obvness of the frame job

People are bad at nka - if anything you dying at night would ultra clear me

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: gamma probtown, lolcase city

nope

what if i put a cannon to your cranium

would you be able to force reads

very likely

Towntell #1
i have strong reason to believe that gamma as scum here would just make up reads if i asked
the fact that he doesn't even make up reads after i basically tell him "please make up reads" is super "idgaf" indicative
gamma-town appears totally useless early game

No...it's no different than how he started the last game.

I just gut want to lynch him right now.

VOTE: Gamma

Is that RVS? Why vote me for a joke?

Actually SS might be scum, this reads way too self-coinscious

Towntell #2 by interaction
penguin push on gamma is still balls and this jives very well with penguin-scum gamma-town

and he's the first one to call out something_smart here, this is literally an anti-scum thing to do if scum

If I seem cautious it's because this setup is AIDS for the PRs most likely

Claiming that you are afraid of getting PRhunted is basically claiming that you are a PR. But if you were really cautious of getting PRhunted you would not mention being cautious of getting PRhunted, because saying that you are cautious of getting PRhunted is basically telling scum to kill you.

No? I'm cautious of pushing anyone because they might drop PR tells. Where did I refer to myself getting PR hunted in that post?

Towntell #3
i really just don't believe this is something scum says

like it's not LAMISTy so it seems to genuinely be "oh boy if i push people they'll spew themselves as a PR"

but he doesn't even fucking explain that shit the first time (which draws suspicion to him)

as scum, the correct play here is to be like "Well yknow I'm being cautious cuz I don't wanna out any PRs, so instead I'll do nothing and call it pro-town!"
not
"I'm cautious because this setup is AIDS"
and only explain how it's pro-town after getting pressured to do so

tl;dr: this seems out of gamma's scumrange

[Mathdino]

not_mafia, if scum, has done basically fuckall for scum wincon other than halfheartedly jumping on a cheeky wagon

weirdly enough N_M can be read on motivation

so i'm seeing like 75% penguin 20% N_M 5% gamma here

penguin scum by PoE

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I want to lynch Gamma today.

His posts are too short, even cautious
Is this why you want to lynch him?

This is weird...why didn't you just ask me why I wanted to lynch him? Why lead in?

I find this curious. What were you trying to assert with this?

[Mathdino]

Mathdino was the better lynch.

If this is town Math absolutely hangs tomorrow.

Why did you wait until this point to weigh in?

also while we're at it this is the 1 instance of any interaction or reference between the two of them

[Gamma Emerald]

So I'm up to the point where CT goes up against Red and Math calls out her push
I'm hoping to see if anyone took a fencesitty stance or smth

[Mathdino]

the 1v1 kind of ruined our ability to get reactions

is the main reason why i was explicitly not arguing for cheeky's lynch every post, it seemed like the two of us and you/red were the only ones really participating

point is i don't think fencesittiness is going to be AI for penguin or smart because they were literally not here

[Gamma Emerald]

I read quite a bit of day 1 and I'm feeling like Mathdino's thoughts are really frikkin genuine
NM do you have any experience with scum!dino where his reads and thought processes came off really natural?

[Something_Smart]

Which thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thoughts on things like how Cheeky had been playing

[Mathdino]

jingle's jester nightless and creature's bastard micro are really the only scumgames i'd call good

i'm fairly sure whenever smart refers to my scum meta it's exclusively a reference to jester nightless

N_M was scum with me there

[Something_Smart]

Thoughts on things like how Cheeky had been playing

Which posts?

[Not_Mafia]

I read quite a bit of day 1 and I'm feeling like Mathdino's thoughts are really frikkin genuine
NM do you have any experience with scum!dino where his reads and thought processes came off really natural?

I was scum with him in Jester Nightless but that was a very unconventional game so I can't really draw any meta from it, I'm thinking Penguin+Smart right now

[Something_Smart]

How do you not think Math is scum for strongarming the Cheeky lynch? Do you think he and Cheeky are both that bad?

[Mathdino]

How do you not think Math is scum for strongarming the Cheeky lynch? Do you think he and Cheeky are both that bad?

while i absolutely take responsibility for fucking up my read re: the original cheeky vote

i in no way "strongarmed" that lynch

i was fairly open about
- wanting to have discussion outside of that 1v1
- being equally willing to vote penguin instead

[Something_Smart]

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Look at my ISO, ctrl + F "doubt =" check the alignments of myself and the person I'm scumreading to see how serious I am AS TOWN. It has a 100% accuracy rate D1. D2 is not so great for god knows what reason, 100% fail rate after D1.

didn't think it was deterministic until this

like if it's at the point where 100% of your "no doubt" reads flip scum when you're town

i'm inclined to take you at your word on this

objectively, either
A. CT/Math scumteam
B. CT is right on Math
C. CT is wrong on Math and thus has to be scum

[Something_Smart]

- being equally willing to vote penguin instead

You guys can just read his ISO to see how false this is. Like he dwells and dwells on Cheeky and touches on Penguin much more rarely.

It is a perfect opportunity for fos: buddy, vote: townie. Which is a great scum pattern because when your main scumread flips town it gives you a reason to doubt your second one.

[Mathdino]

the fuck?

my scumread on penguin was independent of cheeky

hell, my scumread on cheeky was partially related to the scumread on penguin; it was fucking weird that she took my red/penguin call-out as reason to suspect red instead of penguin

penguin wasn't even active

when people put me in 1v1 mode (and i've gotten locked in these fights with strong town players before) it becomes a matter of survivalism

this game it became a matter of "i can't fucking deal with this 1v1 or it forces a claim"

but hey

GL in LYLO though, since apparently NOBODY can distinguish PR's from scum

pitch perfect description of cheeky's play

she's only seen me play VT or effective VT and i accept that my PR play is distinct

[Something_Smart]

pitch perfect description of cheeky's play

she's only seen me play VT or effective VT and i accept that my PR play is distinct

If this were true you'd have brought it up in 1281 at least hypothetically, and as cop you would have been able to bring it up hypothetically without drawing PR suspicion because we were literally just talking about scumreading PR's.

[Mathdino]

i consider my own value as a cop and as a town player staying alive

to be far FAR superior than trying to tell cheeky (who could've been scum at the time) "hey you might be scumreading me for being a PR"

hell, doing that would if anything have been scum-indicative for me, a showcase of more interest in not getting lynched than not getting killed