Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk I kinda think that a role could exist with all those elements vaguely but yeah I think I'd be down for that
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[GreyICE]

A VT weak investigative role that's confusing in a normal?

[GreyICE]

Gamma, I mean please be town, I wanna town read you.

But I'd have trouble with that claim in the theme game "El bastardo Moddo and the seven fucked up role PMs"

It's not:

Idk I kinda think that a role could exist with all those elements vaguely

[implosion]

A VT weak investigative role that's confusing in a normal?

you seem to have fallen out of the times of the current meta, the kids are calling it a 'neapolitan' these days

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe it doesn't fit the whole descprition over all but like loyal something-or-other could work to be investigative and possibly negative utility
Pedit what is that post trying to say greyICE

[Gamma Emerald]

A VT weak investigative role that's confusing in a normal?

you seem to have fallen out of the times of the current meta, the kids are calling it a 'neapolitan' these days

Didn't you have in your sig once some quote about people demanding variants of vanilla cop

[GreyICE]

A VT weak investigative role that's confusing in a normal?

you seem to have fallen out of the times of the current meta, the kids are calling it a 'neapolitan' these days

Uh... for reference:

I think i’m just VT this game. Who knows.

Just so we don’t have anymore shenanigans, I’ll stop messing around. I’m gonna be away, but I’m not an alignment cop, but I have some sort of weaker investigative role.

Lol, just lynch me. Idk how to defend myself here. I’ve done too much stupid stuff.

Imma flip VT, not a PR. It’s fine.

[GreyICE]

maybe it doesn't fit the whole descprition over all but like loyal something-or-other could work to be investigative and possibly negative utility
Pedit what is that post trying to say greyICE

Your analysis seems surface level

[implosion]

the quote was something like "today's modern mafia consumer demands hundreds, nay, thousands of variants of vanilla cops" but i think it was a quote from me. I think someone else (maybe EP?) sigged it.

[Gamma Emerald]

the quote was something like "today's modern mafia consumer demands hundreds, nay, thousands of variants of vanilla cops" but i think it was a quote from me. I think someone else (maybe EP?) sigged it.

yeah that's correct
also @GI I guess that might be surface level but I still feel like there's some role that fits within those parameters
the thing is I also think it's so waffly that even though in theory that's possible I still feel like there an inherent scum motivation of creating a confusion for a later claim

[implosion]

Unvote

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[GreyICE]

the quote was something like "today's modern mafia consumer demands hundreds, nay, thousands of variants of vanilla cops" but i think it was a quote from me. I think someone else (maybe EP?) sigged it.

yeah that's correct
also @GI I guess that might be surface level but I still feel like there's some role that fits within those parameters
the thing is I also think it's so waffly that even though in theory that's possible I still feel like there an inherent scum motivation of creating a confusion for a later claim

See in the back of my head there's this warning siren that is screaming "scum tend to believe townies even when it's obvious they're saying total horseshit"
And then there's this other one that's saying "Townies make the wildest theories, scum tend to shrug their shoulders and say 'yep, that's nonsense' because path of least resistance"

I mean no, it's not possible there's any role that could be mistaken for a VT in a normal, because we've standardized the normal rules and guidelines so stringently that there's no role that could be "basically a VT, but also a weak investigative role." That'd be something like a "Reflexive rolecop", which is the sort of silly thing we have normal committees to avoid. And it's not like UC Voyager even named VTs something funky, just plain ol' Vanilla Townie in the role PM.

Gahhhh... I'm kind of leaning 2 again.

[GreyICE]

Also I thought Implosion was one of the people who hates me. Or not, IDK anymore. Been way too long.

[implosion]

nah.

[Saudade]

Unvote

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

????
explain

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only reason I’m town reading myself is because I saw my role pm. I’m totally the correct lynch here.

I’m scummy af.

Sucks that i’m Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

No it doesn't.

[Erika Furudo]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

correction: playing in the normal queue guarantees a town loss.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I can tell this is not a Geriatric game. Grey if you hadn’t been signed up for this I never would have joined.

I’m starting to waiver on thinking Saud is scum playing the same game as his last. I mean at one point I was sitting down to make Cheetory (and everyone else) a side by side of comparison of quotes from here and Day 1 from the other game so show everyone exactly why his posting strikes me as his scum game there. But it is possible that he just plays similarly (but with better writing) to Firebringer … someone who plays the Town-game in a way that isn’t really helpful to Town but gives them built in excuses for why they are scum read when scum. I mean how can you not read 235 and think “Wow that’s levels of tone-deaf”. But maybe that’s how Saud wants to roll.

So that got me thinking about the players who have been hard Town reading Saud. I’m not including Flavor because … its Boon his reads flip around like a flag in the breeze. I mean Implosion and Erika.

Implosion has been bending over backwards giving every post Saud makes the absolute benefit of the doubt leading to a Town read. I mean look at 288 – he is either just unwilling to admit the things he thinks are Towntells existed all through that scum game of Saud’s or he’s scum who has overshot reasonable justification on that Town read on a player he already knows is scum.

Erika’s read on the other hand is empty and based mostly on a scum read on myself. That’s an easy position to take for scum in that the minute I turn up Town it can be revoked with a “Oh, I was misreading MoI maybe he was on to something with Saud” as the game dictates.

So Saud Town means to my mind at least one of these two is scum looking to have a helpful Town in their back pocket.

@Grey

– Say my gut instinct on Saud is wrong and he’s Firebringer-style Town. Which of the two above would you think is mostly likely to be scum?

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I have no idea what the relevance of what you're saying here is. What does my early scumlean on Hoopla have to do with her being good at scum? Wouldn't it only make sense to say this to me if I was gut townreading Hoopla?

It means your read is terrible and you have no clue how to read Hoopla if you think that early game material is scum-lean worthy. My limited experience with you prior to this says you aren’t terrible. So I’m left in a quandary.

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I'm not fosing MoI for being quiet I'm FOSing MoI for being scummy.

Look … just repeating empty phrases over and over (“not scum-hunting”, “scummy”) like a poor Appeal to Repetition bot isn’t going to get the job done.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

correction: playing in the normal queue guarantees a town loss.

Nah, I win as town in the normal queue.

We as a group of players don’t like a lot of some other “by the book players”, we’re just more accepting than others.

[Flavor Leaf]

I play in all queues, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

No it doesn't.

Does too.

Look at the last games I was town in and got lynched

And then look at the games I was town in and didn’t.

It’s weird, but it’s true, until proven other wise.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe more recently, but I know fora fact you got lynched in mini 1931 and scum lost

[MagnaofIllusion]

I’m town reading Implosion for his explanation on why he’s town reading Saudade.

See Flavor it is stuff like this that makes me want to say "Yeah, just sheep Grey and sort other reads in the Mason QT overnight based on his flip."