Mini 579 - The Plagues of Egypt Mafia - Over

[Mr Stoofer]

Stoofer, I don't insist.

unvote; vote: Mr Stoofer

I actually agree with the overburdening. lord_hur seems honest to me. I'm also really not buying tvod suspicion atm, and no one likes my thoughts on cow..

Guardian , are you voting for me for agreeing with you on SlySly, or for "overburdening" (bearing in mind I accepted I was wrong about lord_hur ages and ages ago?)

[Guardian]

A mixture of both, about 60/40 SlySly/overburdening, although I admittedly wasn't bearing in mind that you accepted you were wrong. Not sure that that changes anything though.

[Musher333]

Stoofer, I don't insist.

unvote; vote: Mr Stoofer

I actually agree with the overburdening. lord_hur seems honest to me. I'm also really not buying tvod suspicion atm, and no one likes my thoughts on cow..

Guardian , are you voting for me for agreeing with you on SlySly, or for "overburdening" (bearing in mind I accepted I was wrong about lord_hur ages and ages ago?)

I dont follow, what is it that you dont insist on?

[Guardian]

I don't insist on Stoofer responding to what he quoted in 167/168.

[Mr Stoofer]

I've just done a read through on everyone and one thing leaped out at me that I hadn't spotted before, namely the fact that hasdgfas is posting regularly elsewhere on the site but hasn't posted here for 3 days. In my book that is more than enough to warrant

unvote; vote:hasdgfas

.

I still think thevampireofdussledorf has to die, though (if he is not scum he doesn't deserve to live).

[Mr Stoofer]

Just for my information, is it "overburdening" every time I make a point about someone who is already under some suspicion? If so, then we are never ever going to lynch anyone, are we?

[lord_hur]

I've just done a read through on everyone and one thing leaped out at me that I hadn't spotted before, namely the fact that hasdgfas is posting regularly elsewhere on the site but hasn't posted here for 3 days. In my book that is more than enough to warrant

unvote; vote:hasdgfas

.

I still think thevampireofdussledorf has to die, though (if he is not scum he doesn't deserve to live).

Yes, I could understand it if no one was talking (in another game, I am basically engaged in a near-monologue so I stopped giving input), but the activity has been great so far in here.

[Mr Stoofer]

The why not a vote?

[lord_hur]

The why not a vote?

Bacause he's not stupid, and one vote is enough to get him to react. I'll add mine later if needed.

[hasdgfas]

I've noticed something very interesting. At least, I found it interesting.

Also, I want to put the following point on the record:

If we do not lynch thevampireofdussledorf today, we should lynch SlySly.

Why?

Are you sure you want me to say this? Really?

What I mean, Guardian, is that I don't think that it is a good idea but I will explain if you (and only you) absolutely insist.

Stoofer, I don't insist.

unvote; vote: Mr Stoofer

I actually agree with the overburdening. lord_hur seems honest to me. I'm also really not buying tvod suspicion atm, and no one likes my thoughts on cow..

Now personally, I'd think that someone voting for you would be considered "insisting." Mr Stoofer hasn't really said anything about that since Guardian's vote on him. I find that a bit odd. Is it because Guardian didn't explicitly "insist"? Or is it because he wanted to just get off the issue? Or is there another reason?

Also,

unvote

[hasdgfas]

The why not a vote?

Bacause he's not stupid

Thanks, I think

[Guardian]

Let me be clear: the overburdening doesn't bother me as much (I am using the term because you used it), it is that it doesn't seem to be a reasonable interpretation that the guy knows or knew more about the setup than anyone else. it seemed like innocent speculation to me.

[lord_hur]

The why not a vote?

Bacause he's not stupid

Thanks, I think

Any reason to give for your lurking ?

[hasdgfas]

The why not a vote?

Bacause he's not stupid

Thanks, I think

Any reason to give for your lurking ?

I don't like showing up to not move the game forward at all. I couldn't think of anything useful to say in those 3 days that wouldn't be me just posting to post.

[Musher333]

The why not a vote?

Bacause he's not stupid

Thanks, I think

Any reason to give for your lurking ?

I don't like showing up to not move the game forward at all. I couldn't think of anything useful to say in those 3 days that wouldn't be me just posting to post.

I am often like this aswell, if i don't post this is probably why.

[SlySly]

I've just done a read through on everyone and... hasdgfas is posting regularly elsewhere on the site but hasn't posted here for 3 days. In my book that is more than enough to warrant

unvote; vote:hasdgfas

.

Posting in one game and not in another does not warrant a vote in any way. There are many understandable reasons for this type of thing.

I still think thevampireofdussledorf has to die, though (if he is not scum he doesn't deserve to live).

Nice of you to so clearly state your desire to lynch tVoD even if he is town. That's mighty scummy of you.

[HackerHuck]

What harm is there in placing one vote to pressure someone to appear and address concerns? It's true that both Townies and Scum will lurk, but scum tend to lurk a little more and it never hurts to pressure scum.

Guardian, I'm not getting any of your cases right now. What's up with your SToofer suspicion?

[Guardian]

Like I said, it's about that thing, and also about how he made a very reaching interpretation of lord_hur's setup speculation.

Side Note: Meh, I literally like... eh... really feel I'm playing badly this game. So um... I'll try to play better? Mmm. Nighty night.

[Mr Stoofer]

Let me be clear: the overburdening doesn't bother me as much (I am using the term because you used it), it is that it doesn't seem to be a reasonable interpretation that the guy knows or knew more about the setup than anyone else. it seemed like innocent speculation to me.

You realise that I changed my mind about lord_hur, and agreed it was innocent speculation, about 5 pages ago?

[Guardian]

Like I said, I was not thinking that at the time I posted it, but I do now remember you saying you were wrong; however, how does that change anything?

[Mr Stoofer]

Well, I just wanted to make sure you knew, and that you weren't voting for me under a misapprehension. (Although to be honest I'd rather you weren't voting for me at all.)

@SlySly: you have understood my post about tvod correctly. But it is not anti-Town to want to kill a player who is hurting the town regardless of their alignment. Click here for a thread where lots of people express the view that killing players who are hurting the Town is a good idea regardless of their alignment. See posts 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 12, 15, 20, 21 -- all of which agree with me that sometime you have to have a lynch of the player that is not helping the Town. See especially 20 and 21, made by me before I got my role PM in this game.

[lord_hur]

Well, I just wanted to make sure you knew, and that you weren't voting for me under a misapprehension. (Although to be honest I'd rather you weren't voting for me at all.)

@SlySly: you have understood my post about tvod correctly. But it is not anti-Town to want to kill a player who is hurting the town regardless of their alignment. Click here for a thread where lots of people express the view that killing players who are hurting the Town is a good idea regardless of their alignment. See posts 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 12, 15, 20, 21 -- all of which agree with me that sometime you have to have a lynch of the player that is not helping the Town. See especially 20 and 21, made by me before I got my role PM in this game.

I completely agree with this. Players behaving anti-town, even if they are not scum, are greatly hurting town, as they reduce the amount of information available and/or reduce town's reasoning ability (lurkers, one-line post specialists, confusing people, etc).

For example, in another game, lylo situation : 2 out of 5 people are ghosts, only posting a couple lines a week to answer the prods. What do you think town chances are in this situation ? Nearly zero.

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

@Mr Stoofer why do you think I am hurting town.........please explain this, I realize I may have been a bit confusing early on but I am trying to make myself clearer now.

[SlySly]

But it is not anti-Town to want to kill a player who is hurting the town regardless of their alignment.

I don't care who agrees with you, this is scum logic. Though mislynches happen, I would prefer to never lynch a townie, regardless of their play style.

Beside, tVoD is not hurting the town in any way that I can see.

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

There are some extreme examples where if a person hurts the town badly enough, and is likely to do so again, then no matter what his alignment, it's best to just lynch him off right away, for the good of the town. But for the most part, I'm more interested in pressuring a person who's hurting the town to stop doing so, and only lynching him as a last resort if he absolutly refuses to change.

Well considering this is your defence I find you fall short of this mark.
Unless you can explain how I have hurt the town badly enough then you fail.
I also did not see you pressuring me but rather you decided to ignore me.